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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2012
    Becky, you qualify for the Shapewear Slingshot event!




    You've got me curious about this different way of wrapping, too.
  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited July 2012

    Is it cheating if I use my kayak paddle to launch my shapewear?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2012

    Carol, the use of individualized equipment for the shapewear slinging event is encouraged!

  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited July 2012

    Freestyle, yay!!!

  • Estel
    Estel Member Posts: 3,353
    edited July 2012

    Alright you all ... tonight was my first attempt at trying to wrap myself.  And I just want you all to know ... I provided the comedy hour after the day's Olympics events.  It gathered quite a crowd and many, many laughs.

    Whew ... I don't know how you all do this.  Tongue out 

  • KS1
    KS1 Member Posts: 632
    edited August 2012

    I am now in my 8th months of wrapping 24/7.  Thankfully, for the last 3 or 4 months, I have been able to wear a day sleeve or Tribute with wrapped hand, so I haven't had to do the whole arm.  

    The good news is that all of the hard work has paid off.  My therapist said my hand was late stage 2/heading to stage 3 at its worse, and is now solidly stage 2.  Although my finger and hand hasn't returned to pre-flare size, all my measurements are down between 1-3 cms.  (1 cm might not sound like much, but in a finger, it is a huge difference!).  My wrist and arm measurements are now SMALLER than it was pre-flare.  In fact, in places, my upper arm  is > 4 cm smaller than it was a year and a half ago.  (My eeyore-esque physiatrist says it is just that I have lost muscle mass, but my LE Tx and I disagree ... I may have lost some muscle mass, but my arm is definitely "sleaker") 

    I've learned a few tricks along the way that I would like to share. First, I use new gauze each time I wrap.  It works better to contain the swelling, it is less frustrating to put on, and it eliminates the extremely annoying process of washing/flattening and rerolling.  Most importantly, since I started using fresh gauze every day, my fingertips and cuticles (which became raw to the point of bleeding after a few months of 24/7 wrapping) are in much better shape. 

    I use gauze that is folded in half length-wise, and my second trick is that I convinced my husband to do the folding and rolling!   (Why they don't sell prefolded gauze is beyond me.)  

    My third trick is I use 3 rolls of gauze on my fingers, not 2.  This means I don't have to use as much tension on the gauze, and I can put extra layers of gauze in the troubled/fibrosed spots and between the MCPs.  

    My fourth trick  is that, over the finger gauze, rather than using a 4 cm short stretch bandage on my hand, on easy hand days, I can just use (custom) dorsal & OTC palmar solaris swell spots under a piece of TG soft tubular bandage

     http://www.lymphedemaproducts.com/products/tg-soft.html

    and over the TG soft, a Farrow gauntlet 

    http://www.lymphedemaproducts.com/products/farrowwrap-lite-ots-hand-gauntlet.html

    The compression is perhaps a bit less even than a short stretch, but it is a lot faster to put on and take off than a short stretch bandage.  

    Any day now I should get my custom day garments.  I pray that they fit so I can stop wrapping during the day.  Frankly, at this point, I would be satisfied if I could not wrap for even a portion of the day.... KS1

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited August 2012
    KS, thank you--very helpful tips. What a relief to have worked all that out and know what it takes to control things! Now if they can just get the garments right on the first try...Cool Keep us posted,
    Binney
  • KS1
    KS1 Member Posts: 632
    edited August 2012

    My day garments arrived yesterday evening!  Here's what I wrote late last night about them on another thread (where I was asking questions about dorsal swell spot pockets):

    "When I went out to get the mail, my new Juzo custom silver expert garments were sitting on the step waiting for me. Because I swell during the day, I have a rule that I always try on new garments first thing in the morning. But after 8 months of 24/7 wrapping, they were like a plate of luscious warm brownies tempting me. I finally gave in and tried them. The fit isn't perfect .... The opera length glove is a bit too long, and the axilla-to-finger tip glove is a bit too short (and extremely difficult to get on!). a few of the fingers are a bit tight at the tips (different fingers on the two gloves, even though they are supposed to be identical). But, they are much better than the previous attempts, and I am so excited I can't sleep. " 

    After trying on the garments last night, I rewrapped my hand being especially careful that the gauze covered part of the fingernail because that's where the fingers were tight.  This AM, I put on the fingertip to axilla glove/sleeve combo,  the finger tips aren't too tight, and it feels pretty comfortable overall.   It's probably a bit shorter than optimal, a bear to get and I won't know for sure how well it contained the swelling until I take it off tonight, but right now, I am ecstatic!!!   KS1

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited August 2012

    Yeah KS1!

    Thank you for sharing the tips and the success of your diligent care. 

    Can you call the fitter about the dorsal pockets: I'm pretty sure they sell foam pieces or you can cut some.

    4 cm down!!!!

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited August 2012

    I am happy to report that I have practiced wrapped tonight and it is not because I am bored! Still, I wonder if it is too tight or too loose or just right. What do you think Goldielocks?

    KS1 How are the garments? Why are you covering the nailbed? I was told not to. Are you swollen right up past the nailbed and need to wrap that high up? Sheesh, this is not a one size fits all is it? 

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited December 2012

    So I practiced wrapping last week and try and do it monthly.



    Still having a bit of trouble with the finger wraps wanting to slip up eventually towards the nail bed. This happens with the thumb,index and middle finger only. I am wrapping gauze snug enough too.



    I believe this is due to the 6 cm wrap, which is a bit too wide when I wrap it around my palm of my hand. I have to make pleats in the thumb web also to have it fit my palm.



    The 6cm wants to rest above the knuckles and then that makes the 6cm bandage push the botttom of the finger gauze (at the base of my finger )up towards the nail bed and eventually off.



    Is there such a thing as 4cm wrap as I think this would accommodate my small palm? Or any ideas to keep the finger gauze from working its way up to high.





    Once I become grand master then I will learn a new type off wrapping that doesn't use foam or cotton padding. I forget the formal name for it but it is used if you are mild LE.

  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited December 2012

    Hi Hugz there is 4cm wrap.  I just got a new set this week (Comprilan) and the one I use on my hand is 4cm.

  • ohio4me
    ohio4me Member Posts: 491
    edited December 2012

    Hugz - I have tried wrapping a couple times and the only thing I mastered was my fingers and hand! I use some kind of tubular gauze on my fingers and hand that works very well. At times, I would wrap only my fingers and hand at night. I never mastered the arm. My sister can wrap my arm and it will stay throughout the night - well, it stays for several hours until I decide I've had enough and rip it off.

  • Outfield
    Outfield Member Posts: 1,109
    edited December 2012

    Hugz, I don't use the 4 or 6 cm on my hand.  You mean the short-stretch bandages, right?  I have 3 different sizes, the largest being probably 6cm, but the smallest is I guess 2?  I actually just contacted the supplier I got it from to see what specifically I had bought since I'll need to get more at some point and what I have now has worked out well.  Smallest on my hand, second smallest starts at the wrist, then the rest is bigger.  

  • Estel
    Estel Member Posts: 3,353
    edited December 2012

    Ohio - I haven't been able to make it a full night wrapped. I end up ripping everything off within a few hours...five is my max.



    I've found that if I wrap my bad LE arm, my right hand swells...so I wrap both...and it isn't pretty. At all. Horrendous really...

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited December 2012

    Outfield: I see there is a 4 cm short stretch bandage thru Brightlifedirect. Will order that for my small palm and see if that remedies the white finger gauze slipping off problem.  What do you use the 2cm for? Are you refering 2cm brown short stretch bandages for the fingers or 2cm white gauze for the fingers?

  • Outfield
    Outfield Member Posts: 1,109
    edited December 2012

    I meant the brown short-stretch.  I would have to find our ruler, which is perplexingly missing from its spot, to be sure it's 2 cm, it could be 3, but I use it around my palm.  I haven't had to wrap my fingers (although I did learn how to do it).  The only things that have ever made them swell were very, very specific situations for which I now wear a glove.

  • Estel
    Estel Member Posts: 3,353
    edited December 2012

    I use the gauze finger wraps and 1.5 inch brown short-stretch for my palm.  

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited December 2012

    Outfield.  Your talking centimeters aren't you?  2 or 3cm?

    Dawne , Your talking inches aren't you?  1.5 inch. I will have to get my conversion ruler out for inches.

    Does anyones white gauze slip off their fingers towards your nail bed? Am I the only one with this problem. They don't slip off completely they just work their way up a bit and start to loosen. grrrr. opps wrong thread!

  • Estel
    Estel Member Posts: 3,353
    edited December 2012

    hugz - Yes, 1.5 inches.  The PT I saw this summer gave me bigger ... I don't remember the size and it was way too big.  I ordered the smaller and it works a lot better!   

    Granted ... I've only worn the wraps out in public for short periods of time ... I haven't been able to stand it longer than five hours when sleeping but mine don't slip off ... the wrap starts at the nail bed and goes down ... I've had them fray but not slip off that end ... but I am not expert Undecided and I've only wrapped a handful of times.  Hope you get some answers, hugz.  Sorry I can't help.  

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited December 2012

    Good morning!
    1.5 inches is closest to 4 centimeters, and bandages usually go by centimeters when you order them. I've never seen 2 cm bandages, though the gauze comes in that size. I've been using a 6 cm on my hand but plan to order the 4 cm next time I need them. The 6 is awkward to wrap and to wear, so I'm looking forward to a better fit.

    Hugz, yes, the gauze slips off the end of my finger (usually my thumb, actually), and if I don't catch it quickly and twist it just right before putting it back over the end of the finger it's a complete wreck. Hate it! Usually happens to me when I catch it on Velcro or something. Grrrrr is right!
    Binney

  • Outfield
    Outfield Member Posts: 1,109
    edited December 2012

    I measured my little wrap - it's 3cm.  I was thinking about it, and realized I can't find the box to order more because I didn't buy it, my CLT gave the little fellow to me in the clinic.  Looks about the same as the others.  

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited December 2012

    Outfield. Thank you, I am going to get some 4 cm but am interested in the 3cm. Where on earth does your LEist order it from? Do you know? Don't think Brightlife has it.

    I wore my practice wrap tonight and the thumb gauze worked its way off in a hour. I gotta get this right. Will show my LEist my disaster finger wraps next time. 

    When I showed my girl my wrap last time she said it was too loose. No wonder I told her it was so comfortable. I am scared to sleep in my own wrap job incase I have done it wrong and ruin my arm. 

    Binney, Months ago I told you that I was going to learn "long stretch wrapping" I am not sure if I am calling it the right name but it is wrapping without the foam and is used for not so advanced LE cases like me. Soon as I learn how to completely master my gauze from falling off then I will ask to learn the next method of wrapping.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited December 2012

    Hugz, I've never heard of it. Long-stretch is ACE. And no padding doesn't make sense to me, considering the nature of the lymphatics. So I'm really interested in what your therapist says about it. Keep us posted!
    Binney

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited December 2012

    Binney, no it is not ACE. It is the same short stretch. Don't know what the method is. Will keep you posted.

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited February 2013

    I thought I'd bring this wonderful thread back to life, as I've had a continuing email conversation with one of the vendors that was at the NLN, and they are looking for five people to test drive and report impressions on their LE bandages. They are new to shortstretch (well, since 2010) but have decades of experience making medical wraps for boxers and other 'combat sports' needs.  What is most interesting is their prices, which are very low.

    The website is http://www.ambraleroyonline.com/catalog/c24_p1.html to see the bandages. If you need bandages and would like to try some out, the company will provide a sample pack to five people, simply asking for feedback afterward. I do not wrap, so I cannot express an opinion, but the cost of wrapping supplies is huge for some in our community, so if these bandages perform as needed, it would be great for some of us to do a review so we can add them to our list of good resources.  If you'd like to do the sample review, the company asks that you send an email to mick   at    ambraleroy    dot    com  (I'm avoiding putting the actual address in to fool the vicious spambots, but I'm sure all our LE humans here 'get' it), and you can explain that you read about it in this post.

    Carol

  • KS1
    KS1 Member Posts: 632
    edited February 2013

    If I am reading the pricing correctly, the gauze wraps are quite a bit cheaper (about $0.20/roll) than L&R's transelast classic ($0.50/roll through lymphedemaproducts.com).  KS1

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited February 2013

    By the way, I just edited my earlier post to correct the email address I included.  The company really is looking for product reviewers, because they're somewhat new to LE.  Read about it above.

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited March 2013

    Got an achy arm from washing the car so......off I go to practice my wrapping. Wishing I could do it faster. Takes me about 45 min. If it's less tonight then I am going to brag on this thread for sure!

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited March 2013

    Just wrapped in half hour but.......although I feel loose wrapped in my arm my fingers are cold and a bit blue. The fingers don't feel tight wrapped either. Hummmm?Will give it another half hour elevation and see if that helps. Oh I knew I should of practiced wrapping more. I kept forgetting the foam part and I lost two rolls to the floor. My wrap job stinks tonight. probably because I hurried. DR Vodder, Norton and Casley-Smith would fire me!

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