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  • jenjenl
    jenjenl Member Posts: 948
    edited December 2012

    I am so scared.  I start chemo on Tuesday and I just feel so scared in general.  I can barely look at my kids and not think morbid thoughts.  Someone please help me. 

    Edited to add - i was er +/pr - /her2 - through the initial biopsy, oncotype dx results indicated TN.

  • OBXK
    OBXK Member Posts: 791
    edited December 2012

    Jenjenl - I am so sorry you are having to go through this. I think you will feel much more comfortable with it, after you have one treatment behind you. The fear will lessen as well. Try to keep yourself busy... and stop in as often as you need to. We're all here holding your hand. Enjoy those little ones!

  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited December 2012

    Jenjenl - fear of the unknown is the worst... remember the first baby you delivered?  I do and I remember how I didn't know exactly what to expect and I worried about the baby being OK and wondered if I could handle it.  Here is a link to my blog with my details on my very first chemo day.  I hope it helps you a little to know what to expect.

    http://mch-breastcancer.blogspot.com/2011/06/first-chemo-day-one-down-seven-to-go.html

    And a word of advice - drink, drink, drink.  96 ounces every day starting on the Monday before your first treatment.  Water, tea, juice, juicy fruits (watermelon is awesome), soups, any kind of liquid counts, just be sure to do it.  It will help wash the chemo out of your system as soon as possible and will ensure  you don't get dehydrated.  If they give you Emend, take it as directed.  Don't try to "tough it out" - Emend is a miracle drug and will help prevent nausea.  If they give you zofran or compazine, take it at the first sign of breakthrough nausea.  And give yourself permission to rest. 

    Join the December 2012 chemo thread and come back here often so we can offer support!

    Hugs,

    Michelle

  • mags20487
    mags20487 Member Posts: 1,591
    edited December 2012

    breathe jenjenl...we understand.  chemo is scary until you get that first one done!  You can do it!!  Just follow your docs advice and the advice of these fine ladies.  Ask anything you need to know..someone will post and join a thread here for other ladies starting chemo too...you can really compare notes that way.  best wishes to you and we will be there with yo every step

  • carlads
    carlads Member Posts: 241
    edited December 2012

    Hi everyone,

    I am so confused, happy but confused.  Went to my Oncologist today turns out after final pathology report I am not TN.  He said I did have some positive in my hormones, I guess the core biopsy didn't have enough tissue so when they ran the entire biopsy it showed positives.  So my entire treatment plan changed, for the better I guess. Has anyone heard of this happening before? 

    Thank you all,

    Carla

  • BernieEllen
    BernieEllen Member Posts: 2,445
    edited December 2012

    Little Angels
    When God calls little children
    to dwell with Him above.
    We mortals sometimes question
    the wisdom of His love.
    for no heartache compares with
    the death of one small child,
    who does so much to make our world
    seem wonderful and mild.
    Perhaps God tires of calling
    the aged to His fold.
    So He picks a rosebud
    before it can grow old.
    God knows how much we need them
    and so He takes but few,
    to make the land of Heaven
    more beautiful to view.
    Believing this is difficult
    still somehow we must try.
    The saddest word mankind know 
    will always be "Goodbye".
    So when a child departs
    we who are left behind,
    must realize God loves children,
    Angels are hard to find.
    ~Author Unknown

  • EnglishRose75
    EnglishRose75 Member Posts: 147
    edited December 2012

    carlads: I was initially diagnosed TN, but then it turned out I am weakly positive for PR (3/8).  This means that I will start Tamoxifen after radiation, although its likely impact for me will be less than if I were ER+ or strongly PR+.  My MO feels that anything that could improve my chances is worth a shot, unless the side effects outweigh the potential benefits in which case we will review.

    For any of you who did Taxotere, how long did it take before you started to feel vaguely normal after treatment?  I am now 3.5 weeks PFC and my legs feel like they have weights attached to them.  I get out of breath even climbing the stairs and feel worse than I did during treatment.  I hadn't expected this.

    Such heartbreaking scenes coming from CT yesterday.  My heart goes out to the parents of those children and the families of the other victims.

  • NavyMom
    NavyMom Member Posts: 1,099
    edited December 2012

    Englishrose, I did Taxotere and suffered with joint pain and stiffness for months.  This gradually went away.  But on the whole, I think it takes about a year for the body to begin to feel "normal" again.  And as for the mind and soul sometimes it takes longer!  It has been 3 years since my last chemo tx.  I am feeling good but have had to change up my routine and admit that i am also 3 years older.....the mind says yes to things and the body says "are you crazy?"

    Wishing everyone a peaceful day.  Welcome to the new girls.  Come here often.  We have lots of intelligent and funny girls here.

  • jenjenl
    jenjenl Member Posts: 948
    edited December 2012

    carlads - Can't help you....I just recently had the opposite happen.

  • Hopex3
    Hopex3 Member Posts: 397
    edited December 2012

    Bernie...your poem is beautiful. I've been up since 3..steroids ...and just can't stop thinking of those kids. So sad! I can't be down about myself right now when that tragedy has happened to all those people.

  • jenjenl
    jenjenl Member Posts: 948
    edited December 2012

    Just popped my 1st anti depression pill hope it doesn't take months to kick in since I am losing my freaking mind.  Have a meeting with the head shrink end of december, hopefully that will help.  I just can't make that corner from negative to positive yet and it's really starting to piss me off.  I keep saying that once i go back to work (working from home) in January the social interations (although virtual) will help me with not having so much time during the day to think about cancer but I think about it just as much when I am with my kids at night and during the weekend. 

  • OBXK
    OBXK Member Posts: 791
    edited December 2012

    Jenjenl - I hope you are feeling better soon. Give yourself time love. I see you were just dx at the end of Oct. You will find your "new normal" - but it is going to take some time. Holding your hand...

  • onvacation
    onvacation Member Posts: 1,344
    edited December 2012

    Good evening ladies, wow miss a week, miss a lot of posts!  Welcome to all the newbies, sorry you are here, but it is a great board with lots of support.


    There are so many amazing ladies here I just want to that everyone here for all the support, information and being a sounding board.

    Hugs to all!

  • Tlym
    Tlym Member Posts: 115
    edited December 2012

    Jenjenl-My pathology from biopsy (community hospital) also indicated er+ by 75%. Pathology from lumpectomy (major university hospital) showed TN. Because of the discrepancy, I requested Oncotype test, which confirmed my TN status. It was an extremely stressful time for me, as I went from thinking I was looking at surgery, radiation, and tamoxifen for five years to surgery, chemo, and now considering the bmx following chemo, as I am BRCA+ and want to limit my risk of another TN breast reccurrence. I will tell you that the anticipation is much worse than the treatment itself. I completed my third round of TC yesterday and only have one left to go. I have tolerated it very well with minimal and tolerable side effects. You will do just fine and the ladies on this board all here to support you!

  • Hopex3
    Hopex3 Member Posts: 397
    edited December 2012

    Jenjen: I totally get where you are coming from. We all do. Like OBXK says, it's going to take time to eventually settle down and accept your new "normal"! I took Ativan once in the morning and twice at night in the beginning. I don't take it at all now! It is hard having cancer whether your TN or positive, especially when you have little ones. You will get through this. Your stats are good! Keep positive thoughts....you go girl and kick cancers ASS on Tuesday!

  • jenjenl
    jenjenl Member Posts: 948
    edited December 2012

    Tlym (and others) Thanks for the information and support.  We have very similar dx, except I am BRCA1 damn it :) Good news is all is well for now with my other lady parts but they are going ba-bye in 2013.

    I am having a cocktail of Adriamycin, Cytoxan and Taxotere. 

    Now I regret not having lefty removed when I removed righty but the plan was always to remove lefty once I was done with chemo to assist with recon (drs advise, focus on critical path - prior to knowing I was TN and BRCA1+).  So fearful of everything, every ache and pain....sigh!

    Off to put my kids to bed...although it should be intersting since they are jacked up on cotton candy.

  • borntosurvive
    borntosurvive Member Posts: 213
    edited December 2012

    Jen; I was 33 when diagnosed last November and my boys were 1.5 and 3 at the time. I can relate to your fears and heartache for your kids. I am here for you!! I am taking an anti-depressant and seeing a counselor every 2 weeks. I am just over a year out now and it does get easier and different. But I am always waiting for that other shoe to drop and yes, every ache and pain sends me into a panic attack. PM me if you ever want to. Xo

  • QueenKong
    QueenKong Member Posts: 154
    edited December 2012

    Jenjen - I had dark thoughts in the beginning and was crying every day. It got worse with the lack of sleep and the steroids. I'd walk for miles and cry. They reduced my steroids and it got better for me. It could be the meds need to be adjusted? I was crying everyday thinking about my daughter and what would happen to her if I didn't make it. I don't believe in being positive all the time but you need to fight your way out of those feelings. 

    Hope - Yes, I had my surgery. I posted on the Sept 2012 thread about it. A long post. It sounds like you are going through a lot. How many more Taxol? I think I remember your surgery date, January 24th? 

  • Hopex3
    Hopex3 Member Posts: 397
    edited December 2012

    QueenKong. Just read your surgery post. Sounds like it went really well! I'm so happy for you. You have been through so much with your pneumonia. I had to laugh at the Chinese Food cause I have been craving it like crazy! I guess I told one of my girlfriends during a chemo session when I was wiped out on benedryl that we needed to go for Chinese food after my last chemo. I haven't had Chinese food in years. I guess I was just blabbing away. That's what makes me nervous about surgery....I'm probably going to tell my most darkest secrets. Anyways, glad your doing well. Keep us updated!



    My last taxol is the 27th...yay...doing much better on it!

  • russell33
    russell33 Member Posts: 48
    edited December 2012

    Hi, My name is Anne, i am 43 yo. I was just diagnosed with Invasive Ductal Carsinoma, Grad 3, no lymph node involvemen, margins were all clear, and Triple negative receptors.  I'm a week out from a lumpectomy and sentinal node biopsy. Oh and my mass was 1.6 cm.  I detected this myself.  Very scared and anxious.  Have an appoiontment tomorrow with oncology and my surgeon.  Not sure what they are going to tell me.  I do believe chemo and radiation are going to be part of the plan.  I don't think having cancer has hit me yet but I'm afraid tomorrow it will.  My best friend died of breast cancer 2 yrs ago and I know she used this site and got lots of information what other people are going through.  I'm sorry to everyone that has to go throughthis.  Cancer sucks.. I am going to stay positive and I have great support system so I am going to beat this.  Thanks for listening.

  • fatma
    fatma Member Posts: 1
    edited December 2012

    Hi, I am Fatma from Ontario Canada my first diagnoses was at 2005 (38 yr) left TNBC treated with LUMPECTOM,TCA AND RADIATIONS ,last week at age of 45yr I had local recurrence on the RT. side wasn't sure about surgery type but end up by RT. LUMPECTOMY waiting now for the results and Oncology appointments I am with my four lovely kids and caring husband. Now I am terribly scared because I forget it and it come back hope I can make it this time too. Sorry not on mood today. I know it's crazy to go again with LUMECTOMY but it happen .....

  • BernieEllen
    BernieEllen Member Posts: 2,445
    edited December 2012

    If a shop assistant in Toys R Us or similar tells you a toy is ‘easy to assemble’, that assistant is probably lying scum

     

    Just saying: Women do not an electric toothbrush

    Avoid gadgety shops unless you want to get your head spliced off by a remote control helicopter.

    1. This year’s top-selling gadget gifts, by the way, are expected to be a USB carpet, night-vision socks, cheese-eating slippers, a hat that writes upside down and a toffee that is waterproof to a depth of 100 fathoms.
    2. I think the waterproof ­toffee makes the best gift, as what is the point of a toffee if you can’t take it down to the sea bed without it leaking?

    Women do not want any of the ­following as gifts: WD40; an outboard engine; petrol for the car; a fitness DVD; an electric toothbrush; any book with a title such as 1,000 Recipes For The Freezer; Canesten; anything from the Pyrex range.

     

    Keep working on your story. ‘Mummy, how come Father Christmas’s reindeers can fly?’

    ‘Because each morning he gives them a big cup of Father Christmas’s Most Excellent Flying Juice. It is especially for reindeers who need to fly.’

    Goats, bees and donkeys are nice thoughts as gifts, but hell to wrap and to keep secret. Hot-air balloons are also a problem.

     Keep the scissors and Sellotape for your sole use. If necessary, hide one in your knickers and the other in your bra.

     Plan a Christmas gift budget, then don’t look at what you have spent until April — or ever. Eat your bank statements and teach the children that game called Quick, Quick, Let’s Hide From The Bailiffs!

     

    Why not spare yourself the tiring agony of producing a traditional Christmas dinner and offer something different for a change, such as salad?

    This will make small children cry and frighten older people, but, hey, you can’t ever get through Christmas ­without upsetting someone anyway.

     Instead of just watching TV, why not play a traditional family game. The rules for Quick, Quick, Let’s Hide From The Carol Singers! are as follows: turn off lights; hide behind sofa; be very quiet; pretend to be out.

    Shallots are the work of Satan. It can take a whole morning to peel one. They are not worth it. They are only tight, nasty little onions with mean and ungiving dispositions.

    Try not to get competitive about cards, eyeing up how many others have received. But it’s sensible to send yourself a good number all the same.  Plus, you can send yourself charity Christmas cards, thereby proving to yourself that you are a good person, which is nice to know.

    Baileys: just because it’s Christmas, it makes it all right to drink a mixture of whiskey and cream, does it? Oh, OK. I get it now. I’ll have a triple with a Tia Maria chaser, thanks.

     Should anyone ask if you’ve seen the scissors and Sellotape, it is important to say ‘No’ quite firmly.  You may wish to check that the ­scissors aren’t poking out of your bra, which will only demonstrate to others that you are a liar and the sort of woman who hides sharp implements in her smalls.

     

     Before attacking the shops feverishly in search of the perfect office party dress, check that you work in an office and you’ve been invited to a party. If you don’t work in an office and haven’t been invited to a party, you don’t have to attack the shops feverishly.

     

    Never throw a party yourself. No matter how many chairs you provide, someone will sit on the edge of a low (glass) table and tip it up.

     

    Giving your parents or any older relatives a £5 note and saying ‘Buy yourself something nice’ can offend, so up the amount to £10 (or at least £7.50).

     

    It is important to congratulate all the children in the school Nativity play, even though yours was the best by a mile. Seriously, has there ever been such a brilliant sheep?

    Keep working on your story. ‘Mummy, is Father Christmas really Daddy?’

    Don’t be silly. When has Daddy ever done anything useful round here?’

     A copy of The Times dated the day someone was born makes a thoughtful gift. But, failing that, you could opt for a copy of yesterday’s Times with the date crossed off and ‘September 17, 1932’, for instance, ­written on it instead.  This is not only a far cheaper option, but is also a good gift for an elderly relative in a care home who has no idea who they are or what day it is.

     

     Bread sauce was invented by the Let’s Dream Up Things For Women To Do Society, founded in 1792 to dream up things for women to do. Bread sauce is, therefore, wholly unnecessary, as well as really quite horrible.

     

    Request the Christmas Day shift at work. If you are refused, beg. If you are refused again, turn up for work anyhow. This will make you the Christmas martyr, and everyone knows martyrs don’t have to shop, cook or clean up.

    Just because you feel you ought to invite your mother-in-law, it doesn’t mean you have to let her in.

     If an assistant in PC World or similar says: ‘Yes, it’s easy to set up; it’s just plug-in-and-play,’ they are probably lying scum. You may kick them.

     

     Beware the tombola at the school Christmas fair because there is every chance you will win back that nasty vase you donated, having won it the previous Christmas.

    Also, approach the school fair ­Santa with some apprehension and expect tearful complaints afterwards, along the lines of: ‘But it wasn’t Father Christmas. It was Christopher’s Dad!’ 

     

     The Argos catalogue is an ­excellent place to start your shopping because it features more than 30,000 products — except the one you want, which is out of stock. How does that work exactly?

     

    Gift tokens may seem like a cop-out, but after driving around Brent Cross for four days trying to park and six days trailing around the shops trying not to cry, you’ll be amazed at how sexy and on-trend they suddenly seem.

     

     Keep working on that story, even though your energy may be on the wane.

    ‘Mummy, how does Father Christmas get into houses without chimneys?’

    ‘Through the hole in my wallet where my money used to be, I expect.’

    If you have done nothing yet about Christmas and are in denial, have a triple Baileys with a Tia Maria chaser. You’ll be amazed by how little you care

     

    If your husband’s idea of a gift is to wrap up the kettle at the last minute (‘How thoughtful: our kettle!’) it is only fair that you give him the cheese-grater in return. ­Alternatively, you could give him the finger, which is cost-effective and extremely satisfying.

     

     You do not have to keep up with the Joneses when it comes to Christmas trees and lights. It is ­perfectly fine to keep things tatty and half-hearted in the hope you will eventually drag them down to your level.

     

     ’Tis the season to be jolly, so, of course, you are going to feel depressed. Accept it and move on.

     Stop working on that story. ‘Mummy, how does Father Christmas get round all the houses in one night?’

    ‘That’s a good question. Though, first, let me ask you this. Isn’t there anything on telly?’

     Brandy butter was also invented by the Let’s Dream Up Things For Women To Do Society (see bread sauce, above), as was wrapping bacon around fiddly ­little sausages. Cranberry sauce is OK, and at least you’ve had that same jar on the go since 1952.

     

    That toffee is still the perfect present.

     If you have done nothing yet about Christmas and are in denial, have a triple Baileys with a Tia Maria chaser. You’ll be amazed by how little you care.

     

    Obviously, you want to arrive early so as to bag rooms before your sister arrives. Tell your sister you’re arriving on the 24th. Drive up on the night of the 23rd.

    Bring earplugs, holly and manners. A good idea is to wash up immediately after arriving. Everyone will say: “Oh, no, you really shouldn’t.” For the rest of the visit, heed their advice. A good ruse is to be the one who befriends the aged relative. When in doubt, sit on the sofa and nod.

    Just accept it: all mums are insane throughout Christmas. There’s little you can do. Peel potatoes. Keep smiling. Ply with drink.

    Steel yourself for siblings. You’ve not talked in a year; suddenly, you’re sharing a lilo on the floor.

    Go to bed early and don’t make festive innuendos such as “I’ve got to stuff the turkey”, or “I’d better get to bed. Later, I’m coming down the chimney”.

    You’ll be under surveillance from mums determined that everyone should have fun. At all times wear a smile, a festive hat and the ugliest and most garish present you’ve been given.

    Remember to enjoy yourself. If you don’t, someone will attack. ’Tis the season to be jolly. And if you can’t be jolly, get drunk.

     Should a sexual encounter come your way at Christmas time, remove scissors and Sellotape from pants and bra. Or don’t if you want to give them a night they will truly remember.

     Lastly, if the going gets tough, just repeat this special Nativity prayer: ‘Forgive us our Christmases just as we forgive those who Christmas against us.’ It makes no sense whatsoever, but it is still strangely soothing.

  • JAN69
    JAN69 Member Posts: 947
    edited December 2012

    Oh Bernie!  You are priceless!

  • OBXK
    OBXK Member Posts: 791
    edited December 2012

    Bernie - I Needed the tape in the knickers suggestion! Where the hell, does that stuff get off too?



    Russell33- welcome! So sorry for the loss of your friend. You will feel so much more in control, when you have a treatment plan. Please let us know if you have any questions. The thing I like about support groups, is the very practical advice. You can also let your hair down here - vent, rant or be just be silly.



  • mermaid_1010
    mermaid_1010 Member Posts: 56
    edited December 2012

    Hi - I was diagnosed with TNBC officially in Sept 2009, although I knew I had it long before that and was in an abusive marriage.  I had Taxotere and Cytoxin followed by Adriamycin in April 2010 followed by radiation.  I had a modified radical mast in September 2010 and in Jan 2011 had a tram flap reconstruction.  I was out of the woods... so I thought.  In May 2012, I was rediagnosed with it back in my femur.  I went on Vanilorabene which only let it spread and started Taxol in November, 2012.  Already I can feel a difference in my hip and and femur.  I 've been told I will be on this for the rest of my life, 3 weeks on and a week off.  I am terrified.  I go day to day which I know we are all told to do..  Sometimes I wonder by the reaction by some people will I be here next Christmas...  I should have said I HAVE NO SIDE EFFECTS..  My doctors have been amazed that my bloodwork never showed anything, I had no pain.. it was only because of a fall walking my dog that it was discovered.  Please send me any encouraging words... I am scared to death.

  • russell33
    russell33 Member Posts: 48
    edited December 2012

    Thank you OBXK.

  • OBXK
    OBXK Member Posts: 791
    edited December 2012

    Mermaid - I and a few others on this thread are Stage IV. I am so sorry this has happened to you. Have you looked on the Stage IV thread? You might find someone who has had bone mets for many years, to cheer you on. Wishing you all the best...

  • Hopex3
    Hopex3 Member Posts: 397
    edited December 2012

    Mermaid...I'm so sorry to hear your news! Please know you can vent, cuss, cry here with us. I do know there are many people on these threads like OBXK said that have lived with bone mets for a long time and are doing well. Please keep us posted and know your in my prayers!



    Erin

  • HopeFaithCourage
    HopeFaithCourage Member Posts: 156
    edited December 2012

    What are your thoughts........ either my cancer has grown ridiculously fast or my tests are way off. Ultrasound showed 3 cm mass. Mri showed 4 cm mass. Clinical exam 4 X 5. Then pet scan showed 9.5 cm mass and a spot in my armpit and one in my mammary chain behind my sternum. First test was November 29. Last test was last week. I don't even know what stage i am clinically now. Does metastatic disease just mean its gotten into nodes or something more ominous?

  • HopeFaithCourage
    HopeFaithCourage Member Posts: 156
    edited December 2012

    Can you hear the screaming in my head?? Just kidding. Not really.

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