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  • RonnieKay
    RonnieKay Member Posts: 2,067
    edited December 2012

    Goldlining...I feel like I could've written your post!  My belly button area is just a little raised on one side, which makes it look a little off center...but I hear you on the "when I stopped thinking about the surgery all the time...not soon!  I do the same 5 months out.  Glad it gets better. 

    Ruby, my hardness, which was definitely where stitching positioning was done (outside, close to underarm area) was removed during stage 2..but it had softened up prior to that surgery, I think in large part because of massage. That was only on the non-cancer side, which is and has always been firmer.  The cancer side was expanded, which I think is why it's softer, and jiggles. They actually tightened up some of the skin underneath during stage 2, and I think it made that side a wee bit smaller.  But I'm obsessed with evenness..and that one used to be larger. I just bought 2 different styles of the bali comfort revolution...thanks to all for the referral!  The gal at Macy's said as soon as I feel like going into a more firm bra, there's a wireless wacoal that's nice.  I love the softies but just want to feel like I'm in a real bra and jiggle less (good info Goldlining).

    My toobs are very roundish, maybe sports-bra-ish, but I don't mind that. Maybe nipples would make them look less so???  I think it sounds like you're doing awesome, Ruby, being only weeks out!!  My ps said (and I totally agree) that diep breasts get better as time goes by.  By the time I was going in for stage 2 at 4 months, I was quite happy, and the improvements then were great.  Are there still things I wish were a bit different...yep...but there were parts of my body I wasn't crazy about before cancer (oh how I wish I would've appreciated that healthy body more!).  Anyhoo...ps is amazing and I know that if the spirit moves me, I will request my ps work his magic again...but like Goldlining, I can wait a while :) 

    Downey...Will be thinking of you during Stage 2b!!  Hope it goes GREAT!!!!

    Mags..Your positive attitude is awesome!!!  Good luck in your next surgery...but good that you're healing well now!  With your oozing spot on your tummy incision, I had the same thing and I went in twice (being seen by PA and nurse).  They just said it wasn't infected and would heal.  When I finally said I wanted the ps to see it, he wiggled the skin around and found a stitch that hadn't dissolved.  As soon as that was cut out, it healed beautifully.  The stitch was not deep enough to dissolve and not close enough to the surface to be easily seen.  Oh, that it could be that easy, right???   Hoping :)

    Wishing you all a bright Sunday!

  • Rubybleu
    Rubybleu Member Posts: 32
    edited December 2012

    Thanks for the feedback ladies :)



  • calm
    calm Member Posts: 46
    edited December 2012

    Hello everyone. This site has been great for me--a treasure trove of information.  I have been a fly on the wall for a few days since my DIEP surgery over two weeks ago. Everything went fine--although I did feel like a train wreck for the first 2 days--the body is very remarkable in bouncing back--now I am mostly wondering about when I will feel i can fully stand up straight and not feel so stretched (4-6 weeks?), what people did to help the back pain when hunched over (I have had a lot of pain around my back/hips), did your PT give any kinds of exercises to help the back? I am going back to work in 7 weeks post op--althought my PS said some patients go back as early as 4 weeks--I think I will need the full 7 weeks. My heartfelt thanks to everyone here whohas shared their experiences so openly. I am so grateful to have had this surgery. Unlike my mx, I have kept this surgery more private (only a couple of people at work who also had breast cancer know). I will stay in touch to see what the next weeks and months hold.

  • Stipey
    Stipey Member Posts: 6
    edited December 2012

    Please forgive me if this post is negative. I am struggling 5 weeks post op and need to unload to people who understand what I am going through. My DIEP experience has not been wonderful. After 14 biopsies (some needle, some vaccum, some surgical) and a new finding of ADH (possible DCIS) back in June on a non palpable mass found via my lovely 6 month monitoring ultrasound, I opted for preventative mastectomy. I couldn't stand the thought of MRI leading to more and more surgeries and at 44 I was not ready for tamoxifen. I had surgery 5 weeks ago with DIEP reconstruction. Unfortunately, after a valiant attempt by 2 PS and over 11 hours of surgery, my left flap failed. Due to concern over the right flap and possible need to be brought back into surgery over the first night, I was left intubated for an additional 13 hours post surgery. This lead to lung collapse and complete pleural effusion 2 days post op. I was able to bounce back from that and left the hospital after 4 days. One week after surgery, all of my drains clogged and one of the abdominal drains became infected. They put me in compression garments, the drains were stripped and I was put back on abx for 3 weeks. Second week after surgery, 3 of my 4 drains were removed. We discovered a fairly huge hematoma when one of them was removed and it exploded all over me and the docs/nurses. At week three once I had completed my narcotic pain meds, I developed a spasmodic cough that led to tearing of a portion of my abdominal incision. Turned out I had a second hematoma on the remaining flap, partial lung collapse and additional some fluid on my lungs. I was put back on narcotics for the tear and for the cough and told to use the incentive spirometer nearly constantly. I was also put on a high dose of steriods to calm down any inflammation in my lungs to allow them to clear. The PS put me back in compression wraps around my abdomen. Now I am at 5 weeks post op and I have developed what I like to call my fluid baby. My abdomen is a hard and rounded out like a pregnant belly. The PS said last week this was a reaction to the steroids. I finished the narcotics again and again the cough is back. The torn incision has not healed. And I have been running a low grade fever off and on since Friday. I know this is a total Debbie Downer moment, but want to feel better and sick of being sick and tired. Prior to surgery, I was very healthy and active. Now I feel like I live in this damn recliner since I still can't sleep in my bed. 

    The only thing that keeps me from totally losing it is my pathology report. I had DCIS in my right breast, along with ADH and ALH in both breasts. Also had microcalcifications that were previously undetected and focal apocrine adenonsis. Out of all of my removed breast tissue only 10% of it was normal breast tissue. Every time I get to where I can't stand it anymore, I read that report and remind myself why I did this. 

    I read through a lot of these posts and everyone seems to be doing great. I feel inadequate to the task - like I am not recovering as well as I should. I am an overachieving hard working person who hates to fail. Somehow I feel like I have failed myself, my family and my doctors by having all these issues.

    Thanks for reading my rant. Just felt good to type it all down....

  • Cherrie
    Cherrie Member Posts: 1,423
    edited December 2012

    I am so sorry you are going through this. It makes me feel bad that I complain about my one drain at 4 weeks post -op. take care of yourself. This will pass, but apparently longer than usual. Read, do jigsaw puzzles, watch movies and let friends and family take care of you. You need this right now. This is the place for you to rant and rave. It isn't being negative as this is reality and right now it sucks!!!!! Please take care of yourself.

  • dltnhm
    dltnhm Member Posts: 873
    edited December 2012

    Dear Stipey,

    I am so sorry that you have been and are having such an awful time. You have been put through the wringer and then some ...



    One thing I do want you to know - in the event that you've not read it in the thread ... is that flap failure can occur anywhere - even with the 'best' surgeons. Women have traveled to NOLA (for instance) and still lost a flap - so if your mind starts you down the path of "if only I'd have gone ...." give yourself grace.



    Of course you have so much more on your plate than that and your complications cover more. Hopefully someone who has been where you are will come forward with support and her own story of where she is now.



    Hang in there.

  • Downey30
    Downey30 Member Posts: 337
    edited December 2012

    Stipey,  you have had a VERY hard time.  You are allowed to rant and rave.  We are all here for you.  Hang in....things will get better.  Try not to put so much pressure on yourself.  Listen to what your body needs.  Gentle hugs your way.

  • mags20487
    mags20487 Member Posts: 1,591
    edited December 2012

    stipey...oh my goodness you deserve to rant, cry hiss and whatever you want at this point.  My left flap failed and I too am 5 weeks out from diep and 4 weeks out from the removed flap on left side.  I am going to hyperbaric wound care every day for 3 hrs to try to get that left side to close up well.  My belly scar has opened up a tiny bit too..not sure why if the daily tx is supposed to help.  My experience has not been near as devastating as yours.  All I can say is hang in there and our hearts and heads can only heal with time.   The body will take care of itself.  I too am 44 and this disease plays tricks on us!  One day at a time and we are always here for you {{{{HUGS}}}}  PM me anytime

    Maggie

  • Stipey
    Stipey Member Posts: 6
    edited December 2012

    Thanks so much for the supportive messages. I think am just so frustrated my control freak self does not know what to do. I am very lucky to have a very supportive family who have been with me through the whole thing. After a good cry and a long talk with my sister I am headed to PS tomorrow. That is one thing where I feel I have been very lucky. My surgeons are amazing women who will see me or talk to me anytime.



    Thanks again and good luck to everyone.

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited December 2012

    Oh stipey, so sorry to read the trials you have been through! I am a control freak myself. My medical situation went well, but my controlfreakism gave me a hard time with the work stuff. For all I know that I should let it go, I couldn't, and still in a bit of a post-traumatic stress stage over it. I've been taking advantage of the availability of the psycho-oncology service to work through it. That's tough - my default state is putting on a good front, being in control, but I won't get the help I need unless I can let her see my damage. We will get through it, but I take comfort from these boards that it's not unusual to be messed up one way or another. 

    Calm, the physio did give me exercises, but she also does things that you cannot do for yourself. The earliest exercise she gave me was the lying on the back with knees bent and raising the hips up to be a flat slope. It was a looooong time until it was a flat slope. I could barely raise the hips up not touching the table for quite a while. I got the pelvic tilt and that was it.

    The exercises are useful, but for me the most valuable part is that the physio moves my body parts around to stretch out tight places in positions I could not get to. I go to a sports medicine clinic where they use active release therapy (ART) to get rid of kinks, stretch tight muscles, break up scar tissue etc. Once in a while, we do acupuncture or something. Sometimes she adjusts something, similar to chiropractic. If it was just exercises, I could get that from a brochure or exercise class or a personal trainer, but I really find it worthwhile. 

    I was not able to straighten up for 6 weeks, but 2 days past 6 weeks I did a half marathon. I wasn't fast by any standard, but I was upright and smiling. I'm now 12 months post DIEP (as of next Saturday) and still when I am fatigued, the forward tilt at the hips comes back. The last half marathon I did, I had to put ice on my upper back midway through the run because the weight of my head was just killing me, and slather it with biofreeze, and it took a lot of ART and acupuncture to relieve the knots once I came home.

    I go every other week, and it seems that one appointment will focus on the tight hips and the alternate will work on the upper back. (As a result of the forward tilt at the hip joint, even now coming up on a year, the upper back has to support the weight of the head leaning forward and it becomes very tight and painful.)

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited December 2012

    Stipey.. I wanted to tell you that there is a light at the end of the tunnel, and it may be a longer tunnel than you expected and planned for, but in the end it will all work out. I say this from experience. I had a BMX and GAP flap surgery in July 2011. I had lung issues as well where my lungs wouldn't fully inflate. When I got home (two weeks after surgery) I ended up getting lung function tests because I was having problems taking a deep breath without pain. That same day, one of my breast incisions opened up. I was leaking all over the place. Then I developed a fever and it was determined my port (from chemo) was infected. So I had to have emergency surgery to remove the port (all while my breast was leaking).  Then my doctor decided my leaking/open incision was too much of an issue and brough me back in for a wound surgery to remove the necrotic skin and tissue (most of the right flap). Five days later I had a DIEP flap to replace the lost tissue. This all took place within a month. From there it was clear sailing... but oh boy what a month it was.

    I might suggest you get a second opinion about what next. I don't know where you went to have surgery, but not all doctors are great at fixing the complications. I went to NOLA and they are excellent at fixing all problems. I am a bit unsure why you weren't in compression 24/7 to avoid the hematomas. And you say your drains all clogged and then were stripped... were they not stripped several times a day? I stripped my own drains once I was out of the hosiptal, and had to do it at least 2-3 times per day... much more often in the early days.

    And you are right, you should be pleased that you made the right decision to have the MX... So keep reading the path report... and believe it or not, in not the too distant future you will barely remember this period. It will seem like a blur.

    PM me if you want any more detail about all of my problems.

  • Beckers
    Beckers Member Posts: 1,883
    edited December 2012

    Stipey, I'm so sorry for what you have/are going through. It could have happened to any of us. It feels so out of your control I am sure. Eventually, you will get the upper hand on your body again. Know we are here for you. Even if I don't exactly know what it feels like I can only imagine it must be so difficult hang in there!!!

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited December 2012

    Hi Stipey,



    Just like everyone else, I am so sorry you have been going through such a hard time!



    Can I just add the suggestion to make sure you are doing everything possible eating wise to help with the healing process? I know there's not a lot of emphasis on it, but I really believe that what you take in during the healing process is really important.



    I made sure that prior and after my surgery I changed my diet to a low fat, high protein diet. Instead of a cookie with my cup of tea or coffee I stocked up on cute little protein bars (chocolate...mmmmm). I made sure to eat protein at every meal.



    regards Jenn

  • calm
    calm Member Posts: 46
    edited December 2012

    Goldlining, thank-you for your suggestions on exercise and seeing a Physio. I gather I can get about 6 sessions with a PT covered by our health care and so I will take advantage of that. I have come to understand well that this was major surgery and recovery is slow--need to be very patient. I made a mistake of pulliing a box of Christmas tree decorations up from the basement and then decorating our tree--pulling the weight of the box was not a smart move and I am trying again to go easy. Starting to do exercises with arms reaching above shoulder--reminds me of post mx exercises. Most of my exercise is doing housework--making meals, dusting, cleaning dishes, doing laundry. Also gettingto read some books which is a real treat. Somehow the days go by quickly.

    You mention you did a marathon after 6 weeks--I am not a runner--but when did you start doing some strengthening of stomach muscles (my instruction was not todo ab strenthening until after 6 weeks--and how did you feel after your run. what was your recovery like.

    Stipey, my heart goes out to you and I hope you have turned a corner.

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited December 2012

    calm, I started walking in the hospital, like they tell you, and was beyond proud to shuffle 5K around the ward on day 3, in verrrry slow 1K sets of 10 laps per km. Then I got an infection in the incisions and the antibiotic knocked me back into bed. I went home at 6 days and I started on the treadmill at the Y at 4mph at about 10 days. I could not straighten up so I used the side rails of the treadmill to partially support my upper body. I wasn't doing much with the abs there - the hips pick up the slack, which is why we get sore low back and hips.

    I was also given the rule of no ab work for 6 weeks (and had learned about not overdoing the lifting and reaching after my mx the year before). I started at physio 4 weeks post-op (in part because of all the Xmas holidays). She was very gentle about it, getting me to stretch around the shoulders and also strengthen muscles around my core without using the ab muscles. I saw her twice weekly for the first while, before switching to alternate weeks. She was watching the calendar, because when I passsed 6 weeks, she really prodded me to start gradually on the abs and she started working on the scar.

    Although I was on the treadmill for up to 90 minutes on a weekly basis, I had not run three steps in a row before the trip to Disneyland for the Tinker Bell half marathon. The jiggling just didn't feel "right". My PS was supportive of it. He said it's after 6 weeks, and I could do anything I wanted. He agreed it was crazy, but only because for lack of training, my time would suck. I was so happy to get a PS who understood running. I am not good at it, but it is good to me.

    My only acute issue was swelling in the flap. That was when I first noticed I seemed to have LE. I changed sportsbra (to Shock Absorber) and have not had the problem from running again. I also fly in compression bra and compression socks so that I don't arrive already having LE issues. (Not sure if the leg swelling is DIEP ab surgery or vestiges of old C-section.) The tired back (from the leaning forward) was much relieved by physio and massage the following week. Surprisingly, my legs were just a bit stiff for a couple of days and then 100%. I guess that's the payoff of the treadmill walking even if I wasn't able to run. 

    This year, not only did I have the DIEP in December '11 but I sustained a stress fracture in one foot in late June that was in an aircast boot all summer. I had taken a break from training after the January '12 run because of the backlog at work from my sick leave and my poor mood. I kept putting off training and found myself at a half marathon in June with no training. I ran 5K then walked the rest and felt great, but two weeks later, I developed the stress fracture (not running related). I got so fed up being immobilized that in August I did a 15K run (walking) in the boot! When I got 3K along the course, relief just washed over me. I think I smiled the rest of the way. I had a business trip to Berlin in October and walked all over sightseeing in my spare time, and the foot pain came back -  so, back on with the boot, babying the foot, because I had the Walt Disney World "Wine and Dine" half in November. After this year of such scarce actual running, I am trying to get back to training for a half in January and maybe run more and walk less. The winner is home with her shorts and socks in the dryer before I finish and that's never going to change, but would be nice to shave a few minutes off my time!

    It's good if you have some physio covered by insurance. Mine is covered under my employee benefits if prescribed by a doctor. I pay about $50 per appointment (20 minutes) and then it's reimbursed.

  • calm
    calm Member Posts: 46
    edited December 2012

    goldlining--you are an inspiration. I am looking forward to the day when my posture feels normal and there is not the strain on my back--but these are only small annoyances right now. I am overwhelmed with the result of this surgery--truly is remarkable what this surgeon was able to do.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2012

    Stipey, so sorry you are having such a difficult time! This is the best place to vent, as all these ladies care about everything you a re going through....even when we may not have the same experience to share. Blessings to you!

  • cg1234
    cg1234 Member Posts: 181
    edited December 2012

    My heart just breaks for those of you who have had recent complications, but I also wanted to offer a little ray of hope to all the sisters who are still in the early stages of healing. I am 7 weeks out today and am so glad I went this route. I am still numb around my belly button and the center of each breast but am pleased with how much sensation has improved. I've snipped a few stitches and the scars are healing great. Range of motion is completely back. I just get a little ab swelling if I do too much bending/ twisting. For those of you who are still exhausted and stooped over, you'll be standing strong and tall in no time! The path can be rocky at times but there is hope and comfort here when you need it. Peace and healing to all of you this week.

  • cg1234
    cg1234 Member Posts: 181
    edited December 2012

    Btw, Nordstrom had only 1 wireless bra, but I found a great selection at Macy's this week. Besides the bali, I second the recommendation for wacoal. They have several great styles.

  • JuicyJackie
    JuicyJackie Member Posts: 41
    edited December 2012

    Stipey, I'm so sorry to hear of your troubles, I wish you the very best in the healing process.  Be strong.  Gentle hugs to you.

    Well my dear sisters, as you know my drain is finally out (after 10 weeks) I've got the biggest seroma under my arm and around to my back but all will be better after tomorrow.  Tomorrow morning we're heading to Baltimore as it is finally my big day for my right breast mastectomy and the beginning of implants.  I thank all of you for being so kind and helpful, I won't be a DIEP sister like I wanted to be, but I'll always return to see how you are all doing and hope you are all healing well and are or about to stand up straight.  I'm jealous of your flat tummys.  Be well, I'll be praying for your recovery.

  • Rubybleu
    Rubybleu Member Posts: 32
    edited December 2012

    Thanks Cindy,



    I am three weeks out and feeling a bit weary... I still have a lot of pain in my breast area and very numb everywhere. It is great to hear updates from ladies ahead of me. Gives me something to work toward. What a long road this is.....I am looking forward to feeling "normal" soon.



    Healing thoughts to all,



    Ruby

  • MartyJ
    MartyJ Member Posts: 1,859
    edited December 2012

    Jackie - safe travels.  Your surgeon will do wonders and I am sure you will be happy in the end.  Just remember - hit the pain pump.  It really helps!

  • calm
    calm Member Posts: 46
    edited December 2012

    Jackie, I read a number of your posts when I first went through this site--you have had quite the journey and I wish you the very best in this next phase. I hope you will keep us posted.

    I too am grateful to read about those ahead of me. I am still ever so slightly stooped--enough that my back is quite sore after a lot of walking--so am looking forward to the day when that is behind me. I am doing the arm exercises-up the wall, above my head, etc--just like the post-mastectomy exercises--in fact I still have pencil marks on my wall from two years ago when I was working to get arm range of movement back--and here I am again.

    This time of year is always a bit emotional--was first diagnosed after biopsy on December 23--remember the intense fear and worry during Christmas, not saying anything to my kids/family other than my husband--now I am intensely grateful to be here and to have had the opportunity to have this reconstruction. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2012

    Thanks, Cindy! It IS good to hear how time does heal. I'm four weeks out and just feel fatigued...no pain other than my left arm (I see a PT this afternoon)

    I think part of the fatigue is lack of exercise (other than walking....and I'm not doing enough of that), a perhaps a little depression from the holiday blues and putting on about 5 pounds in the last month! I see my PS on the 27th and hope I can get cleared for normal exercises, maybe some swimming?, and get an idea of when I can plan on my stage 2.

    Blessings and prayers for healing to all!

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited December 2012

    :)





    Been in chicago to see the block group if docs. Flying back to va in little bit.



    I am going vegan. Giving up the drink.



    Ruby my breast was tender still at three weeks out. I am over ten now. It slowly feels better

  • RonnieKay
    RonnieKay Member Posts: 2,067
    edited December 2012

    Jackie...we're with you through your next journey!

    Chacha...I hear you about the lack of exercise..it's been something that's played with my emotional state, or maybe my emotional state's played with my lack of exercise...LOL!!!  I just know my body needs more exercise than it's getting and I have to find a way to make that happen!

    Stipey..I'm sending you virtual strength for healing.  When they talk about complications, I don't believe any of us ever knew what could actually happen!  I know you will be healed!  Bdavis is right...find those who are able to do their magic...they're out there!!!  

    Watching the 12/12/12 concert for Sandy...AMAZING!!  Hope it raises a bazillion $ for our East Coast family...We Love You!

  • JuicyJackie
    JuicyJackie Member Posts: 41
    edited December 2012

    Thanks MartyJ, I'll remember to hit the pain pump!!  :)

    Calm, I'm excited to continue with different bs and ps!!

    Thanks for those words RonnieK, I feel the strength of all of my sisters.

    Blessing and healing love to the sisters that are struggling or in pain.

    Hugs...Jackie

  • cg1234
    cg1234 Member Posts: 181
    edited December 2012

    Wait a second Fran...did I just see a smiley face?!



    If so, Woohoo!!! Happy for you!



  • Beckers
    Beckers Member Posts: 1,883
    edited December 2012

    Fredntan, I too have been advised to go vegan. I'm struggling though. Let me know how it goes for you as you transition.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2012

    Fredntan, congrats on going vegan! I've been "vegan" for just over a year now (pre-dx)...and I believe God was preparing me for this journey.

    BECKERS: what worked for me is I joined a program through CHIP that was a two week commitment. You can do anything when it's only two weeks, right? I had my cholesterol tested pre-program, and again post-2 weeks. It takes two weeks to get the cravings done (caisen from milk and cheese is addictive). My blood test showed a 40 point improvement! That, combined with a general sense of well being motivated me to stay with it. Also, get some good vegan cookbooks. PM me if you want more info.

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