Starting chemo November 2012
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March 18 for me, it's going to be a long winter.
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I had curry for dinner. BIG mistake
My mouth is burning.
The first days after chemo I stayed to soeps and mild tastes. Now I felt adventurous, not something I'll do again soon.
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Eleni - I did the same thing. Ate mexican food the evening after chemo. No mouth burning but stomach cramps were horrible. Stuck to bland since. Tonights dinner -- baked chicken, rice and asparagus.
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Me too. Finally felt ok with all the ulcer acid nausea meds on day 10 then had turkey chili -- BIG mistake. Sitting up in bed in the dark yet again to get through the next few hours or days... Someone posted a nice letter in the december thread saying she had hardly any SE's so not to worry.. I admit i called her names, but only in my head...
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maryah - I've had the exact same thoughts. Surely the more drugs the better right? I was told by the breast nurse that I would have one of two regimens - E-CMF or FEC-T (it woud have been E-CMF as I think the latter is used more for node positive patients). Because I can't have the 'E' (epirubicin) because I have previously had the related doxorubicin which can cause heart damage, my onc recommended TC. I wondered why they couldn't just omit the E from either regimen so it would be either CMF or FC-T. I felt like either way I was missing out on two drugs just because I couldn't have one of them. She told me that the Taxotere makes up for the E and M but then I wonder why do the FEC-T patients need the F and E if T is so great? I hope you're still with me because I realise I'm talking in algebra now! It still worries me and I suppose I should ask next time I see her. I guess it's not as simple as throwing a few drugs together and substituting one for the other but I know that another member here, Traii, who has a very similar history to mine is being given what I was 'suggesting' I have for the exact same reasons.
Megan - what a nightmare that you'd have to do that if you stayed off work. I feel lucky and am definitely not rushing to work any time soon. Problem is, it'll be so hard to go back anyway and it'll be worse the longer I'm away. Ah well, crossing that bridge later...
Welcome back Dakota and SNEAKY!!!
Jenifer - sounds like you've had an awful time with those pains. Hopefully you won't get that every time. I had no pains the first cycle, then very mild aches in my legs this second cycle. Onc said it'd probably get worse each time but I hope not as not much seemed to ease it.
Felt a little better again today so it seems I'm on the up until #3 on 21st. Food still isn't great but am able to eat more things gradually and thrush is continuing to clear up. Tonight my face has been really itchy though - weird...
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Jennifer, poor you. The only consolation I can offer is that I have had very different SE this second round than the first.. so perhaps that particular one will not reappear. I hope not, sounds awful.
Does anyone else feel constantly slightly sick from the neupogen shots? I am positive they are making me feel ill. Has anyone found a solution to it. I tried fresh ginger and honey tea yesterday, eating dry pretzels - small bland meals. Nothing really seemed to take the nausea away and I am getting quite annoyed by it.
Txjunebug - interesting your sisters don't want to know. They may find they worry all the time anyway, and not knowing about their genetic makeup does not keep fear that away. I suppose we all cope differently, and maybe their feelings will change over time. My younger sister died of cancer in her early 20's (totally unrelated type), and we were told it was genetic. But I always felt like it was this completely random thing, and so very unlikely to strike again. Maybe your sisters feel like if they don't know, they can assume that it will only affect you. Magical thinking really, but we all indulge in that.
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Txjunebug, my husband's siblings are the same way. My mil is BRCA+, and I am negative. We are going to meet with a genetic con. in January and my hubs is getting tested for our daughter, since my mom also passed from bc. Poor girl has 3 relatives. They have argued about it. For me it is not so much about us, but more for our girls. I hope and prayer that they live in a world where there is a cure.
I spent a great day at the zoo with my daughter's girl scout troop today, and I grateful for the energy to do so too.
Is anyone else getting tired of the staring. It was raining so I just had a hat on today. I don't mind little kids, but the next grown women who gawks at me may get smacked! People get cancer, they loose there hair. It's hard enough on me without adults staring.
Wishing everyone a side effect free night!
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Politicomama - I wore a hat to work last Thursday. Some lady in the parking lot almost came to a complete stop to gawk at my hat. Then a couple of people in my company that probably don't know about the cancer stared. I wore the wig today just to keep the gawking stares away but brought my hat, too. If I get a headache then the wig goes off. It's a fact of life. Tough crap if they don't like seeing someone wearing a hat.
As far as my sisters and testing goes, my mom agrees completely with me. Doesn't understand why they wouldn't and why they would not have the ovaries out if they are positive. They're both over 50 and certainly NOT having anymore children! One has already had a partial hysterectomy like me. But as I told my mom, I've done all I can do. Told them the facts and risks, sent them the results and now it's up to them. I hate to say it but I have to worry more about me than they're being scared of the truth.
Day 3 Round 2 TC - tired but came to work. Going to talk to boss & HR Director about working from home this week.
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Butterfly -
I can totally relate. My husband thinks he's in college once again. Doesn't even live at home. I decided I have to get they this first before I do anything. Doesn't even ask how I am feeling nothing no responsibility whatsoever!!
Cocobean-
Yes!! I got a cleaning person and have my groceries delivered. I don't have time to do it all. I highly recommend it if u can Marioposa then u will have more energy for those kiddies they are good therapy ! -
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This wig does get annoying I can constantly feel it my head. My kids are embarrassed to have me without it thooh well. As far as sisters u do what u can its up to them to take the info where they want to.
Politico-
I hear where I are coming from my daughter he's me, my sister and my sil now. We were all BRCA -, it's scary for them tho!!
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U r too funny!!! -
Dakota- I got a cap to go under the wig at the boutique in the cancer center. It helped the wig from sliding around on my head. Still feel it some but it seems better today. My kids still live at home and it freaks them out too when I walk around without anything on my head. I'm not brave enough to go out in public without the wig or hat.
You should have seen the look on my boss's face when I told her about chemo brain and if I start getting it that the doctor said I would be out the remaining time for treatment. It was priceless!!!! Steroids are making me a little rebellious monster!!
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Hi Girls...Just checking in. I had first chemo on Friday. I had a headache Saturday that lasted about 3 hours. I think it was from the zophran given before treatment. I went to church sunday, and out to lunch with friends afterwards, then DH & I took a nice nap.
No other side effects, but I'm really tired today, so I'm going to go have a nice nap.
Powermom~you started with me. I'll hope you're doing well. I'm rooting for you!
Blessings
Paula -
I saw my therapist today, she asked me if I have sex with my husband. It has been ages. Between operation, radiation, feeling miserable, having a cold in my good week, and in general feeling blah, I don't feel like it.
But I was wondering what you ladies are doing. Anyone wants to share?
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Soteria -
Glad ur holding up ok!!! -
Soteria - Amazingly I'm still doing ok. I feel a little lethargic and "chemo-brained," but I was like that often before diagnosis, too!
I did go ahead and start the zofran even before I had a chance to feel nauseous, and I've been paying close attention to which way my bowels tend to be leaning. Can't help but wonder if I will wind down once I've finished the steroid dose.
Glad you're feeling pretty good and hope it stays that way for you!
I think I'll be wandering back and forth between Nov and Dec chemo groups; how about you?
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Power mom good for u too!!!!
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hey Michelle, how are you going hun?
I was just reading your post re the treatment options to us 'special' people as they call us with previous history!
I was originally going to have FEC-T then my onc was like no, looked at my history, didn't want me to have the 'E' as he wanted me to be here for 30+years and not die of cardiac reasons, so then after he spoke with oncs in the UK (where he is from) and in the USA they decided to run with the Taxotere first then 3 rounds of the CMF.
Are you only having C&T ?
Ladies, Wigs, apart from my real hair being thinner than what my wig actual is the colour is the same and its a full lace wig, not itchy at all and real human hair.....I'm loving it.....I don't have to style it everyday and between shower and make up I'm cutting it down to 15 mins getting ready opposed to 40 mins with hair...lol.....(hubbys loving it on the weekends when we go out) !
At home though I take my wig off and put this pre-tied bandana on and its sooo comfy & stylish!
I haven't lost all of my hair so it looks like I just have put some hair 'in' the bandana and left wisps of hair out and around my ears...I call them my own 'bangs' lol
Politicomama don't worry about the people staring, stare back at them I say....you're better than they are...they were obviously never raised or taught that it was rude to stare at people.
I don't know why people stare.....we have cancer ..... we are dealing with it and we don't want pity or to be stared at, we just want people to look at us like normal people fighting for our lives......
Don't you just wish you could yell out to the 'starers ' "hey am I wearing something of yours" or 'take a photo it will last longer and you can analyse whatever it is better' !!
ohhh that makes me mad hearing stories like that
To all you ladies out there, hope you have minimal SE's today/tonight.
From sunny Melbourne , Australia, Good night
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Hey Traii!
Yeah, I'm just having TC. I guess it all comes down to our individual cases. I see you cancer was higher grade and you had nodes involved, but then again my tumour was four times bigger and I had 'extensive vascular invasion' (which freaks me out). How many cycles of T and how many CMF are you having?
I've searched and searched for info on how we Hodgkins survivors are treated for BC but there isn't much info, just millions of articles on how high the risk is. I would assume most of us have had ABVD as it seems the standard chemo for HD, although I don't know why I wasn't given it as my first treatment...
Could you maybe message me and tell me exactly what treatments you had for HD and when? Just a recap of your history and probs along the way. I've read your signature, but am unclear on some things. did you have the ChVPP as part of transplant? And RT after transplant? Our histories look SO similar! I'll do the same and we can compare notes! ;-) -
Hey Michelle,
You're so right, I think we've probably read the same articles tipping over google about how high risk Hodgkin's is for BC etc but nothing to really show what we should have.!
I'm only having 3 x Taxotere and 3 x CMF, no rads and having BMX mid next year.
I'll PM you hun
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Powermom~Glad you're hanging in there. Yes, I'm also hanging between here & the December thread. I started out with these precious ladies, but didn't get to start until Dec. So, I'm hanging with both. They all have so much love & so much insight to offer. I love them all.
Blessings
Paula -
Hi all - Better late than never to the party. I am going in for third treatment of T&C on Wednesday. I'm also doing the cold cap treatment to mixed results. I've lost a lot of hair and have some bald patches but still have hair. Most side effects are fatigue and achy muscles which seems to get worse with each treatment. Currently waiting on genetics testing results since i'm adopted i have no family history. Nice to hear how everyone is doing through this journey. Hugs!
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Just noticed that my hair is really noticeably thin on top. Have had it in a pony tail all weekend and not brushed it much. Need to do some combing over tomorrow. It needs washing but I'm scared to do it now...
Just ordered a 'head wrap' off eBay and hope I'll be able to get away with just those types of things. Hoping the cold cap doesn't let me down!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180967183089&var=480190100014 -
My hair started falling on day 14, Dec. 4. I thought I'd be ok with it too but it was depressing to see strands, oftentimes chunks of hair everywhere I go. I asked my hubby to shave it off finally on Sunday, Dec. 9. Boy, I told my husband I look like a cancer patient (but I'm one after all). Somehow I'm still getting around that thought. I guess I was hoping that if I'm a cancer patient I didn't have to look like one. There's just no way around it!
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Eleni, no sex in this house!!! That takes energy and who feels sexy anyway, bald, tired, feeling old/am old - there will be no touching me "Down there"
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mafe, I didn't shave my hair..I let it fall out or combed it out...i still have hair but wear my wig as my hair has thinned dramatically but actually have sprouts of prickles so seems like its coming back or maybe its just me thinking that ! lol.....I'm on chemo # 3 tomorrow.
My worst fear was 'feeling like a cancer patient' I guess yes we are but feeling and looking good on the outside is what matters with our appearance which makes it harder to believe that its noticable when our hair falls out!
I just think if I loose my hair and I'm getting better and beating this C then it doesn't matter, it will grow back.
Unfortunately, like you said, there is no way around the hair thing..... and I didn't and couldn't bring myself to go down the path of cold caps....hoping my hair grows back thicker with no greys though lol.
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Eleni hear you loud an clear, and thanks for brining the subject up. After surgery sex just wasn't going to happen with the limit on the arm range/movement. If it took all I had to even roll out of bed how could we even think about getting busy? Ha Then felt better and had the port put in, so another set back. Tried once. I cried and laughed the whole time. Cried because it just wasn't working well and all I could think was how he would ever be able to live with someone that couldn't meet his needs. But some of it was funny too. Guess a lot of pent-up emotions came out at once.
macyhen111 so sorry to hear that you now have this new worry.
Gee girls, I'm more worried than ever about chemo brain. Just with everything else that is going on I seriously am forgetting things, mistyping words and loosing thoughts unlike ever before.
I'm sure this has been covered through the posts, but would like to hear a quick review from those on dose dense versus every 3 weeks. I was suppose to start 6 rounds of TAC this week. Which is interesting enough as I don't think anyone else is doing the tri-cocktail regimen. Semms like everyone else is staggering the AC and then T. But I've had 2 MO's recommend the same thing so that isn't much of a worry. However, I just want to be through all this. So, the option I do have is dose dense which will be 4-by-4 every 2 weeks (I think AC and then T), or stay with the 3 by 6. I'm just thinking I can still be on track to be done by the end of march if I go dose dense.
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Skimommi~I'm taking AC every third week, then on to 12 weekly rounds of taxol. I don't have any idea how they figure this, but the nurse/practioner said I'd be less likely to have low white blood cell count with the every third week regimen.
I just had my first chemo Friday, so I don't know how that plays our yet.
Blessings
Paula -
Eleni - a topic well worth discussing! Same story as everyone else - between surgery and chemo and being away again for round 2, it ain't happening... but I don't feel any pressure from myself or him. It seems like an emotional thing like Skimommi said, and will be a marker of some sorts when it happens. Both to feel well enough, and to not be weirded out by it all. We've been together for 17 years - since our early 20's - so maybe that also takes the pressure off? Depressingly, my friend who has started tamoxifen last fall and is just over 40 told me how painful sex is now due to the drug. With the studies out this week saying tamoxifen is better if given for ten years (everyone is very helpfully telling me about this), I feel like BC may have changed this part of my life permanently.
For people who have slippery wigs - I bought wig tape. It is excellent. It sticks it right in place, and it allows me to loosen the wig clasps so i don't have to have it quite so tight to hold it in place - and the headache went away. I don't like wearing it though - find it really uncomfortable. It is going to be extremely uncomfortable in the heat, so am really hoping there is a bit of hair when things heat up in the spring.
My right eye's lashes are mostly gone. No sign of brows thinning. Anyone else losing lashes or brow's yet?
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skimommi - My onc put me on dose-dense AC-Taxol, but could only do so because I had the insurance to cover the cost of Neupogen. She explained that's it's needed for you to recover in time to stick with the 2-week schedule. Without the insurance to cover the cost of Neupogen I would have had to explore other protocols. Not sure if that's a factor in your decision making.
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Skimommi - i have TCH every 3 weeks (day 12 of round 2 now) and definitely get chemo brain! I can work in bursts until the steroids wear off then the 2nd wave of side effects hit ( mostly liver/acid issues)and i get very muddled- slow on the inside but words mixed up on the outside and forgetful. Bad news for a writer! i worked a lot on day 7 then couldn't move day 8 ---found i could do one activity well each day, shop, work, or exercise. I started eating ok yesterday and worked all day today and will have to rest more tomorrow but feel myself getting sharper and stronger and am planning accordingly to advantage of my good third week. So it seems like the chemo brain works in cycles but i hope it's not cumulative. Last week i wouldn't have been able to spell that!
Eleni, i have zero interest in sex but managed to muddle through during week 3. Can't imagine how hard that would be with your treatment history. I had no sensitivity but DH was happy, so I anticipate the same over the weekend lol. Wifely duty. If only i was allowed to drink then i'd put on my blonde wig and dance around - and it would be over even more quickly, ha!
As for hair, even my buzzed short hairs are coming out now, rubbing sgainst the soft hats i wear in the house. I got some fake bangs so fashion hats look tres french outside the house. Wigs are ok but just feel like a big deal to put on - involves makeup! I finally got a short one that seems easier. And i don't like people thinking i have cancer cuz i dont - i only knew i did for 2 months til the surgeries were over, this is preventative for me! But fighting cancer still sucks. I dont want pity, just patience!
Txjunebugs your boss seems clueless, but then i guess thats normal til we learn the hard way.
5 livebugs why did u delete your post? Hope ur okay.
Xo
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