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  • Chickenlady
    Chickenlady Member Posts: 22
    edited December 2012

    Day Seven... done!  I was having a nice little pity party this morning. I didn't sleep well last night... having a hard time finding a comfortable spot and am finding my  little heart shaped boob pillow is feeling very comfortable. Saw the regular girls at the center this moring and realized, actually I am not in such a bad spot. I gave myself a little shake (not a hard one, cuz then my boobs hurt) and am trying hard not to be whiney.  It helps to read everyone's posts and see that I am not alone in this!

    chickenlady

  • sonson
    sonson Member Posts: 162
    edited December 2012

    cider8-it's so good to hear when someone is doing fine on tamoxifen especially when you go on here and read some of these other boards about joint pain and some of this other stuff that is happening to other women.  You think OMG what am I getting myself into here.  It gets pretty scary.  So it's always good to hear that someone is doing great no real major side effects other than the hot flashes which I'm expecting.  I don't want any of these nightmare SE's.

    Lifeonitsside-sounds like you got Snow White for a PT!  I'd have to laugh at that at some point.  I couldn't keep that to myself, but then my imagination is pretty vivid.  I'd probably go through the entire place with a big smile on my face imagining Tigger and others running through the hallways!

    Chickenlady-we all have pity parties and thank god we all have this forum to keep us sane.  Yep, we're all experiencing close to the same things.  That's what we are here for.  I'm so glad I found these discussion boards!  I just wish we could all meet up somewhere and have a party!  That would be a hoot!

  • cider8
    cider8 Member Posts: 832
    edited December 2012

    Elimar, I don't start rads for two more days. My RO said no lotion 4 hours before rads, so I'm good. I simply noticed how dry my breast skin is already and I'm trying to get it in better condition before rads break it down again. I'm reminded that without sensation I can't tell the skin needs attention and that the skin must also not have all the working oil glands it once had.

  • Tjp1976
    Tjp1976 Member Posts: 2
    edited December 2012

    I had rads in the year of 2009 January/February. Lots if snow but the radiologists try so hard to get there and I completed my treatment in 15 days. I must say I found radio so much easier than chemo, although still have my "tattoos" for remembrance.

  • loveofcritters
    loveofcritters Member Posts: 39
    edited December 2012

    So disgusted today. The first zap I had the machine didn't calibrate at all and just zapped me and then it calibrated and moved to the other two zaps. I called the center to ask about it and they are so indignant about me feeling like I was mistreated. I explained that I am concerned that the machine is acting right and today's session was different than the others by the way the machine acted. They are going to run tests to assure me that I did get the right radiation, and call me back. I don't understand why they are acting like I am accusing them, when its just something that worries me. Note to self: Just because they tell you in the beginning to call if you have any concerns whatsoever doesn't mean they want you to.

     

  • Loving
    Loving Member Posts: 37
    edited December 2012

    Finished my 3rd treatment yesterday and had a wave of tiredness last night and can't seem to shake it today.  I'm hoping that this is just a moment in time and it won't be like this everyday.  Before surgery, I had a pretty good exercise routine but have fallen off and now it is hard during the holidays to find time.  I have vacation coming up and hoping that the exercise routine will be easier and can get back on track. 

    I thought my skin wouldn't hold up as I'm very sensitive.  So far, it has been fine and no pink yet.  When does this start?  At work, I have been referring to my treatment as my "daily tanning sessions" as it is emotionally better and lightens up the mundane task of going everyday!  My co-workers love it!

  • cowpower
    cowpower Member Posts: 293
    edited December 2012

    Loveofcritters, That is really odd- my machine did that yesterday, but the techs were aware of it- they told me over the microphone that the machine needed adjusting and that the dosage was correct, just coming in different sized zaps. What usually takes 9 zaps took 18 and I would have been terrified if they hadnt explained. You would think that the techs realize that you do observe the normal behavior of the machines and might be a tad concerned when things are different. Geesh! Might be a little different if they were lying there. You have every right to ask any question, any time.



    Loving, Way to go on the skin. Mine is so bad usually that I expected to be down to bone by now, but it is holding up well, 18/33 treatments, so I hope you luck out too.



    Sonson, I feel like I am doing well on the tamoxifen. I first took it in March when I had to take a chemo break due to skin issues. At that time it made me moody, although that could just have been me being moody. Right now, I have tendon pain in my right ankle, but I actually think that is from the taxol/taxotere or from an iv antibiotic I took over the Summer (levaquin). The only thing I think the tamoxifen is doing is a little leg swelling late in the day and some major league dry skin.



    Chickenlady- If we don't have our own pity parties, no one else will do it for us! We are entitled once in a while. I feel like by the time we get to rads we are just DONE WITH IT!

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited December 2012

    cider8,  Got it!  Probably a good idea too. 

  • loveofcritters
    loveofcritters Member Posts: 39
    edited December 2012

    cowpower: I am so glad that happened to you too. She called back and reprimanded me soundly because they had to shut down the whole operation to run a QA because of me and they looked at my specific treatment and said all of the "leafs" had been in the correct position. I said, "what is a QA?" she said quality assurance test. So I have to ask the question....why do their tests differ from what I saw with my own eyes? The frickin' leafs didn't move on the first zap, they were wide open....the leafs and my eyes.

    So tomorrow they are going to show me what they do and how it is monitored before I go in for treatment. They said the computer would throw up all kinds of red flags to stop that. I work with computers and know that they can't be trusted.

    Needless to say I had to start popping anti-depressants again. Damn damn damn

  • Outdamnedspot
    Outdamnedspot Member Posts: 297
    edited December 2012

    I start tomorrow and I am so anxious.  Don't even know why I feel this way...I knew it was coming.

    Definitely going to be a sleeping pill night.

  • Andrea623
    Andrea623 Member Posts: 959
    edited December 2012

    Loveofcritters, I think I would have been pretty upset too. I think the center's attitude is really awful. I mean, the people they treat have been through life changing events, are concerned about being cancerfree, and naturally would have questions if things were different than normal. They should be more sensitive whether they have to run a QA on the damn machine or not! 

    I am really fortunate that I have not had any problems with the machine, and everything has been running on schedule. I find it interesting how many zaps we get. I only receive two. I wonder if it's the difference between having a mx versus a lumpectomy? I have 5 more treatments to go, and it can't end soon enough! I am so tired of going to the center, tired of the zaps, tired of feeling microwaved, tired of the whole cancer thing. At least after rads, I have a breather till my reconstruction surgery. I hope that will be the end of my cancer journey.

    Sorry, I'm a bit cranky today. 

    To those of you just beginning, please be reassured it isn't as scary as you may think it will be. It gets monotonous going day after day, but after your first treatment, it becomes very routine and you won't think twice about it. May you have few side effects!

  • cowpower
    cowpower Member Posts: 293
    edited December 2012

    Loveofcritters, now that you mention it, they did say it was a leaf that needed replacement yesterday. I wish they would treat you wiyh a little more respect. They should be as concerned about quality assurance as you are, or more so. Try not to let the turkeys get you down.



    Andrea- the number of zaps is determined by how many planes they have to hit and their relationship in space to each other. Sometimes only two points are needed. In my case, since nothing I ever do is simple, they have to build a "dome" around the chest to hit everything. I get nine zaps in an arc around from left to center Tons of fun.



    Outdamnedspot- use those pills while you need them. I took an ativan before each treatment for about ten days. I realized yesterday that they aren't even in my purse anymore. I bet the same will happen to you.

  • heidismom
    heidismom Member Posts: 38
    edited December 2012

    Hi all,

    Thanks for the weekend birthday greetings, very sweet!    Today I had #20 of 26 plus 7 boosts.  Was thrilled when they gave me an appointment card for scans next week preparing for the boosts.   I really had stopped counting.  The nurse remarked how fast it was going, and I snorted, and she said, "it's like being pregnant..it goes fast for everyone but you!".  True.  As far as skin, it really helps to do all the lotions and potions recommended, and also AIR.  Not easy, but if you can steal a few minutes in the privacy of your home to lie down or go about your business topless (with curtains closed!) I believe it really helps. I'm actually wrapping xmas gifts topless.  What a visual, huh?  Gotta be a first.  Helps that it's been in the 70's this week too.  I'm also an A cup, so nothing gets in the way, lol.  To those starting out, it's actually not bad to be going through it during the holiday time since other things distract you, but you also must listen to your body, rest,  and not try for Martha Stewart perfection.  Must make time for the occasional pity party.  Halfway through the week tomorrow, hope it's a better day for those who have had a rough week so far with rude techs and depression.

  • Janipani
    Janipani Member Posts: 24
    edited December 2012

    Hi There - I'm having the SLNB done on the 12/19, and lumpectomy was already done on 11/1/12.  How long after SLNB should chemo/radiation start?  IS there much time involved with healing after the biopsy?

  • cypher
    cypher Member Posts: 508
    edited December 2012

    Kelly, that’s a large tumor and no chemo?  Oh DCIS.  Weird, huge but still stage 0?  Anyway I agree 2nd opinion sounds like a good idea.

    Andrea, that totally sucks.  Such a nasty, scary disease.

    What are these tazzy’s saline soaks?  I start Monday and feel really unprepared.  I was really on top of it for chemo with being really prepared for it, I feel kind of asea with this.  I’ve been SO busy at work that I haven’t really had time to plan.  

    Sonson, I feel exactly the same way.  It’s frustrating that they have no idea why anyone in particular gets it.  I’m also confused with the tamox – they aren’t starting me on that until after I’m done with rads, presumably.  I mean no one has mentioned it to me lately and it’s obviously inevitable.  Should I be starting it already?  Not that I want to mind you.  Or does it have to do with when you finish chemo?  I finished early November.

    Loneskier, you sound like you have the same schedule as I do, almost – I have my rads appointment at 5 and it will take me 45 min or so to get there.  What a hassle, every day.  I am super busy at work right now too.

    Lifeonittsside, I KNOW, I SO am ready to be DONE!  It bums me out that this entire year from spring on is all about my freaking cancer.  All these holidays keep whizzing by and I can’t quite enjoy them.  I don’t remember what the deal was with Halloween – Oh I think I had a chemo TX right around then so I figured I wouldn’t be up for much.  I’m busy at work and with radiation every freaking day halfway across town, who has time for parties?  I’m not a big fan of February but I can’t wait until February because I will finally be DONE.  Oh except the tamox and the herceptin, tiny detail.  Cedars?  Don’t you live in Burbank?  If you live near Cedars we are practically neighbors, unless there’s some other one than the one I know.

    Loveofcritters, I don’t know what you’re whining about.  They are nuking you to prevent cancer from recurring – neither cancer or being zapped with radiation is a big deal, who cares if they get it right?  The important thing is that staff not be inconvenienced – FOCUS.  (I need a rolled eyes emotion.)

    Hey does having big boobs make radiation worse?  Like more zaps etc.? 
    Also can anyone tell me whether this bra looks like a good idea or not?  I usually wear underwires and I understand that is not a good idea.  Crap I have to shop for bras along with everything else I gotta do…. Whine!

  • loveofcritters
    loveofcritters Member Posts: 39
    edited December 2012

    cypher: Has Your MO left you to call her/him about the tamox? (typical!) I feel for you about the work schedule and can just hear the hurry-hurry-hurry in your post. Right now that is exactly what you don't need. I know this is small, and insignificant, but that car ride can be made into a sanctuary. Someone on the fall rads had to drive 2 hours one way every day and the best that could be offered was that she get some audio books from the library and enjoy the peace while driving. She later commented about how she enjoyed it. I wish I could come there and slap your employer silly! Where is the human compassion these days?

    Also, underwires are not recommended because they rub the fragile skin. Sport bras or camisole with shelf bras are what was suggested. I have started to burn under my arm and have gone over to the cami all of the time. I just finished 17/31. I will post the saline soak again after you start up. It is a couple of pages ago and also on the fall rads, but you are too busy right now for that. Give us a heads up as you go. Tell me again when do you start treatments?

    I loved your comment to my post. I am going to have to go in there today and face them off. I know what I saw. And now I don't trust that machine. Maybe I can request another one from here out. I will see.

    Andrea623: I am cranky too. The whole thing is very tiring. I wish we had Canada's protocol of fewer weeks. At least their health professionals acknowledge the toll it takes on us. I am back on anti-depressants from my MO. The RO refuses to write any prescription for them. Thankfully I had some left and a refill available. My husband and I are looking at Christmas this year in a whole new light! How about you? I hope your reconstruction is not something difficult? I want it to be over for you too!

    Newbies: Your first day today will be emotional, but you can do this! Most of us can tell you that the side effects are a little pink after the first week and it isn't bad. But like a broken record, remember to take your lotion/gel with you and LOOB THE BOOB afterward in the changing room! I hope you get nice nurses and that you will post after you are done today. Good luck!

    I am off of here now to get the day started. Like cypher, it is too hectic at work to read or post, my best time is before starting the day. BTW I am experiencing sleeplessness again, just like with chemo. Go figure.

  • cowpower
    cowpower Member Posts: 293
    edited December 2012

    Loveofcritters I tried to get up early to catch you, but looks like I am a step behind. ( as usual) I hope today is a better day. ((( HUGS))))

  • Andrea623
    Andrea623 Member Posts: 959
    edited December 2012

    Loveifcritters, hugs to you! We can do this! I told my husband I now know what a microwaved hot dog feels like.



    In regards to the bra question, my RO said no underwires, which doesn't apply to me since I have TEs and haven't worn a bra since surgery. I've been wearing Jockey camis, but today they feel too tight on my red, irritated skin. I'm thinking about wearing really baggy tops and going without them now.



    Well, off to another day! Hope I can stay awake at work. I am so tired and fatigued now!







  • terrikoala
    terrikoala Member Posts: 150
    edited December 2012

    I am kind of surprised to read about the size of tats and getting them removed,etc. I guess it differs depending on where we get our RADS and  mine are so teeny tiny that I can hardly find them and that includes the one between the boobs.  Just before the treatment starts they mark a green X almost on top of the tat. To avoid the stain on my bra I wipe it off when I get dressed with my finger or the baby wipes they provide. I started doing that after the first time I saw green all over the inside of my bra.

    I am on day 12 of  RADS and boob is just starting to turn a bit pink in spots.  Breast is sore . I have what can only be described as a flat crusty sore that hurts  and itches almost in the middle of my chest above the breast that will not heal and I mentioned it to my primary therapist. I have used creams that I used for minor outbreaks of eczema and psorasis that I get on legs and elbows but this does NOT look like anything I have ever seen before and creams are not helping and they usually work fast.  She said I need to  show it to the RO at this week's visit  and did not seem to be overly concerned about it and she knows her stuff and I like her very much. I  put a little round bandaid on it to keep the beam away from it but they took it off and said something about the bandaid being in 'the field' and could cause a bulbus or something like that. Its not  really near where I 'think' the RADS are focused and does not appear to have started as a blister. If anyone knows of this happening to anyone please let me know.

    Terri

  • sonson
    sonson Member Posts: 162
    edited December 2012

    Janipani-I had both done at the same time and they gave me about four weeks to heal before starting chemo.  If you are doing chemo that will really keep your body from healing itself since the chemo drugs attack all fast growing cells so they want you to be well into the healing mode before beginning that journey. 

    loveofcritters-I agree with cowpower I don't like the way they are treating you.  It was just a simple question you were asking not a damn inquisition.  You were concerned as you have every right to be concerned this is your body and if it were them lying on the table I would think they would have the same concern as you.  You need to tell them to back off and look at it from your point of view for a minute.  I think people get so bent out of shape because of the inconvenience and they need to put themselves in your place in order to get a better perspective.

    I hope everyone is doing well.  I go for my mapping and ct scan tomorrow and then zapping should start as soon as next week.  I'm nervous and excited all at once to start this part of my journey. 

  • cowpower
    cowpower Member Posts: 293
    edited December 2012

    So, Outdamnedspot, how did today go?

  • loveofcritters
    loveofcritters Member Posts: 39
    edited December 2012

    Well didn't I just have a hissy fit there! Do you know what it was? The girls had "moded up" before I was in the room so the first zap position was already in the machine...that is why it didn't do its little dance first. The technician showed me and sure enough that was it...and a little communication would have taken all of that fear away for me. I don't know why it had to get this out of hand. I told them they should do it the same way all of the time, and thanked the tech for explaining it. I was angry as all get-out at them after that. I think they should just not make small talk and when they DO talk... EXPLAIN WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!!

    cowpower/sonson: Thank you for the words of support. It felt like me against them, but I really needed to let them know about the machine and I was fighting them to get them to believe me. Now they do because it could be explained. What if it couldn't be explained? I just don't trust it anymore. I asked for the other machine and they are going to set it up.

  • jennsmc
    jennsmc Member Posts: 15
    edited December 2012

    Just now found this thread...I had my 6/35 rad treatment today.  I am already pink and sore.  Did anyone else get pink this early?  I have been using Goldbond Healing Lotion at home and Aquaphor in the dressing room right afterward.

    Ok...today as I was leaving the rad room, one of the techs told me to pick up a sample of a deodorant soap that they had.  Then she says it's a good alternative to use since I can't wear anti-perspirant during my radiation treatments.   WHAT?  I told her that I have been wearing anti-perspirant every day.  No one told me that there were any restrictions.  Were any of you girls told not to wear it and does anyone know why?

    So glad to have this website...

  • terrikoala
    terrikoala Member Posts: 150
    edited December 2012

    jennmc,

    I had #12 today. I am on  Canadian protocol with double doses for 3 weeks so I thought I would pink up early  but I didn't until after #10 and the soreness started then too.

    I use Eucerin and so far so good.

    Terri

  • fgm
    fgm Member Posts: 831
    edited December 2012

    I had my  "dress rehearsal" today and start tomorrow morning.  Today took about 1/2 hour of laying absolutely still with my arms up and receiving 2 more tattoos. When I got in the car, I burst out in tears....haven't done that since chemo 6 weeks ago. The whole thing got to me.  It was nice having a break and feeling "normal" for a couple of weeks.

    Jennsmc- I was told to use Miaderm.  Also, no deodorant/anti-perspirants, lotions, powders for at least 3 hrs. before rads.  Use mild soap in the shower and don't scrub your breast.  No underwires.  I was given a list of don'ts.  Hope this helps.

  • cowpower
    cowpower Member Posts: 293
    edited December 2012

    Loveofcritters, glad you got an explanation, at least. I truly hope you can kick back and relax this evening. Remember, we are marching towards that finish line.. I think I am hitting that slump in the middle of the whole thing, getting a bit down and impatient. At least I get to hear my boys play toniight in their Winter concert.



    Jennmsc, I use only Dove unscented soap, aquaphor, or aloe gel. No other moisturizers, soap,deodorant allowed.

  • cypher
    cypher Member Posts: 508
    edited December 2012

    Loveofcritters, this is hilarious – I’m self employed!  I’ve often joked that my boss is a slave driver.  I just have a ton of new business with deadlines attached that basically fell in my lap.  They’re big clients so it’s not like I can turn it down because landing these is great for my financial security.  I have to plough through traffic both ways so it’s not restful.  If I take the light rail, it takes longer but at least part of it is restful.  I’m actually thinking of subletting a place over in that area for a month or so – I really like that part of town and I rationalize that it will save me so much in stress and dog walking fees that it will be worth it.  One thing that helps is realizing how much things slow down over the holidays so hopefully that will help with the work thing once I’m really into it.  I start Monday – I have to run around and get all my lotions and shelf bras and crap this weekend.  Do you think this thing would be helpful?  http://www.fourcorners.com/product_details_lace_comfort_bra.aspx  In terms of sleeplessness, I have a long history of insomnia but have worked out something that works for me.  If you want my advice please PM me.  I think it’s super lame that you would have to argue to get antidepressants.  Dude, you are dealing with cancer.  It’s incredibly stressful, scary, and taxing. 

    I am too busty to go braless and not look ridiculous and feel uncomfortable after awhile.  Sigh.

  • terrikoala
    terrikoala Member Posts: 150
    edited December 2012

    Outdamnedspot,

    I know the first treatment is 'scary' but  trust me you will do fine. I had #12 today and just turned a little pink a couple of days ago and some soreness but piece of cake otherwise.  I was scared about the unknown but you don't see or feel anything  and just hear the noises that you will get used to as to what each noise means. Once they get you in the proper position and check the markings the actual treatment takes about 5 minutes even with double doses.  Even with the doubles doses each day I have had no real issues and hope you don't  either.  I do know that my life revolves around 2:20 PM every weekday but you get into the routine quickly. Was told today to come in at 9AM on the 11th for consult and something else( forgot what she said already) and then a treatment and then as my main therapist told me " Then we will cut you loose" I told her and anyone within earwshot how great they all are but i hope to never ever see them again.

    Since you are starting your Canadian as I finish mine feel free to Private message me and we can talk about any questions you have.

    Be sure to ask the therapist (s) about everything they do in the treatment room and the computers where they go and sit and monitor.  They enjoyed explaining it to me and it educates us as patients. The equipment is  rather intimidating at first so I asked immediately at first treatment to explain exacty how it all works. I pray you have a wonderful bunch of people like  I did.  The only weird thing that happened was the first time there was a male therapist in the treatment room and a rather young one at that. I was NOT expecting that as I took off the gown and stood, walked around and laid there in all my upper nakedness. Any modesty I had was taken from me at the first treatment.  No one told me there were males but I guess its no different than men there for prostate treatments with all the women therapists. I have had male GYNS but they are doctors so this  took me a while to get used to. I just reminded myself of all the boobs he sees in a day and its all clinical to him and everything went fine.

    ONWARD!

    Terri

  • heidismom
    heidismom Member Posts: 38
    edited December 2012

    jennsmc:  it seems like I'm the only one who was told that I could wear deodorant.  Don't know if it's because that area of my underarm isn't really in the rads zone, or if my center is just different.  However, I apply a very thin stripe of it anyway, since I don't want to get into the pink zone under my arm, and sometimes I just spread the lotion all the way up there and you can't put deodorant over lotion, it just slides right off.   They say nothing offends them at the center.  I've read of someone on this board who used Tom's natural deodorant.  

  • jennsmc
    jennsmc Member Posts: 15
    edited December 2012

    Thanks ladies.  I guess I will try the deodorant sample they gave me.  It's called Crystal, and I've seen a few posts mention it before.

    I did ask about using lotion, and was told that I could put it on in the morning but not right before my treatment.  My rad is at 11:10am every day.  A ten second zap on each side of my LB.  The lotion I've been using each morning is pretty thick stuff and I can still feel it on my skin by the treatment time.  I think I'll try putting it on at bedtime instead.  Then a light lotion after my shower in the morning.

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