Fasting before chemo?

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yummytomato
yummytomato Member Posts: 2
edited June 2014 in Alternative Medicine

Hi, I'm new here. I was wondering if anyone has tried fasting for 2 days before chemo? Fasting helped mice have fewer side effects (?!!--did they fill out a questionnaire?) and higher "cure" rates. The Mayo Clinic is trying to run a clinical trial but seem to be having trouble recruiting volunteers. I fasted for 30 hours before my first chemo, but had huge amounts of nausea and stomach upset 4-5 days after chemo infusion. Before 2nd round, I'm going to try to fast for 60 hours. NB: I gained 15 lbs after my diagnosis, before any treatment at all, so I'm not worried about weight loss.

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  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited October 2012

    Hi, and welcome to bc.org!  What you're talking about is a protocol that Dr. Longo @ USC has been studying: You may have already seen this, but here's an overview:

     http://www.cancer.gov/ncicancerbulletin/071012/page5

    Someone else asked here about fasting not too long ago, but I don't believe I've seen any firsthand reports of anyone who's actually tried it.

    That flu-like (or run over by a truck) feeling commonly shows up 2 or 3 days after a chemo infusion and usually lasts 2 or 3 days, so I think you're within the normal range on that.  But if you had "huge amounts of nausea," I would be sure to talk to your onc, who should be able to try a different drug or drug combo for you.  I got Compazine+Zofran, but I've heard that Emend is even better.  

    I'm glad you've found us and I hope your onc can tweek your nausea meds the next time around.   Deanna 

  • Heidihill
    Heidihill Member Posts: 5,476
    edited October 2012

    I had Emend and only experienced 1 bout of minor nausea. As for fasting, that's fascinating. I hope it works for you, yummytomato. 

    Thanks so much for the link, Deanna. That's really encouraging that metastatic tumors were also reduced. I did try a 17-hour daily fast for a year starting around Christmas 2010. I hoped to be able to consistently starve cancer cells of glucose as well as lose some weight. I am still NED as per scans so maybe it helped along with Femara.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited October 2012

    Here's the info about the Mayo clinical trial. Looks like it's being conducted with lymphoma patients.

  • Robyn_S
    Robyn_S Member Posts: 197
    edited October 2012

    Hi! I had 6 rounds of chemo - 3xFEC and 3 x taxotere and fasted for 60 hours before chemo and 24 hours post following the regimen of Dr Longo. I didn't fast my first treatment and did for the last 5 tx. Overall it was very doable and helped to prevent the gastro blocked feeling, no constipation or diahhrea. I recovered very quickly from each round and have had no lasting effects from chemo - especially no neuropathy at all ( I also took acetyl L carnitine to prevent taxotere neuropathy )

    There is a thread in Helping through treatment forum which several 'fasters' compared notes during fasting . I did notice a huge improvement in the reduction of side effects from the first tx when I didn't fast ( sandwiches in the infusion room!) a word of caution though- I discussed the fast with my MO before starting and reviewed the literature and contacted Dr Longo for additional information on the fasting protocol. I also was very healthy ( apart from the pesky cancer) and had a high BMI. Hope this helps!

    Cheers Robyn

  • yummytomato
    yummytomato Member Posts: 2
    edited October 2012

    Thanks for the link, Deanna. That's something I can print & take to my mo. I'm so happy to hear from someone who actually tried it, Robyn! I didn't fast after the infusion, so I'm going to try that, too. Fasting is not an easy thing for me, but after my experience with the 1st round, I'm motivated (I've got 7 more cycles to do).

    I'm on Emend (days 1 to 3), Zofran (day 1 only) and decadron (days 1 to 4) and prochlorperazine as needed for nausea. The first 2 days of my chemo cycle felt quite manageable, but on days 5 & 6 I felt like I was in a hell pit. I felt naueous, bloated, exhausted, couldn't eat, couldn't not eat, couldn't read, couldn't knit, couldn't sit to watch t.v. All I could do was pace and sleep. I kept reminding myself that I wouldn't always feel this way, but I was so mentally confused it felt that I'd always felt that way and always would. I'll ask my MO about continuing the anti-nauseants for a day or two. The prochlorperazine makes my stomach balloon with gas so that eating is uncomfortable and I have to force myself to drink fluids.

    Apart from cancer (and I've had most of that cut out) I am a healthy, active person with a good diet. My MO did not object to fasting before chemo, but had never heard of it before. I did freak out the dietician when I told her I was trying fasting. She suggested that I at least drink Ensure. After that, I stopped mentioning it to other members of my health care team.

    Margaret

  • kiwikid
    kiwikid Member Posts: 204
    edited December 2012

    Before dx 3 weeks ago I was following an alternate day fasting plan, but had only been doing it about a month and it quickly fell off the list of important things after do, but I'm really interested in this. I'm meeting my MO next week for the first time, I'm 34 and really want to get old enough to be able to complain about osteoporosis ;)

    Xx kk

  • AnnMelton
    AnnMelton Member Posts: 1
    edited February 2013

    Hi - Im new to this as well.  

    My friend's father had esophagus cancer and he went to meet Dr. Longo a couple of years ago.  He is pationate about this idea.  He convinced me to try this too.  

    My first chemo session is Monday so I intend to fast a minimum of 48 hours before and at least 24 hours after.  I am very nervous but willing.  I am still trying to figure out how long after Chemo I should be fasting as it depends on the type of Chemo given and when it "leaves the body" or at least gets to its "half life".  Way over my head but I am doing the best I can in figuring this all out.  

    I had infiltrating ductal carcinoma and it turns out I am HER2 positive.  so that means for me 6 rounds of chemo and a year of Herceptin for a year.  

    The Oncologist wanted me to take the Decadron steroid the day before; day of; and day after but this must be taken with food so I declined this steroid.  It is given as some patents have an allergic reaction to the Taxotere Chemo (she told me 18% of people have this allergic reation).  

    My friend said his father had less nausia after chemo by doing the fast.  

    Im going for it but scared.  

  • NittyGritty
    NittyGritty Member Posts: 1
    edited February 2013

    Ann, I look forward to hearing your of experience of fasting before chemo. It sounds hard, but I've been doing intermittent fasting off and on for a year (14-16 hour fasts) and it's surprising how easy that is. (I used to be a "I gotta eat something ASAP or my blood sugar will drop!" kind of woman.)

    But I've worked out with weights and cardio, worked in the office all day, cleaned house, etc., while fasting, and have done pretty well. It helps to stay busy with projects, like organizing your closets, or gardening, or whatever. It's difficult if you're bored and looking for something to do.

    Icy water, soda water (no diet sodas) help, too. Sometimes I alternate with hot water. I don't add anything to it.

    The longest I've gone is 24 hours, but I have often thought of exercising my fasting muscles and go longer. Thomas Seyfriend recommends a 7- to 10-day fast once a year as a possible way to stop future cancer growth. Have you seen his book, Cancer as a Metabolic Disease

    If it turns out I have to do chemo I was going to try to fast and see if it helps. When your friend's dad did the chemo, did he fast for 60 hours or 48 hours before chemo? 60 hours is a long time to fast, hell yeah.

  • TectonicShift
    TectonicShift Member Posts: 752
    edited October 2014

    I fasted for three days before chemo and one day after. I thought I would be miserable. Honestly it wasn't that hard. The first day is a bit hard but once you get over the initial hump the hunger kind of goes away. I don't know if it helped with side effects or not. But the more I read about the theory the happier I am that I did it. I was stage 3 and very motivated.

  • siri2
    siri2 Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2013

    I saw Longo's research, got excited and spoke to my doc about it but she is against it. Which leaves me in an awkward position. Do I just blast forward without her? Find someone else who is open to it? I ended up just reducing my calories by about half. I just emailed him and he emailed back straightaway with general protocol for fasting, which is water only 3 days before and one day after. I am tempted to try that next time without my oncologist being on board, just for one cycle to see what happens. It will be my last AC. I have had such severe headache. I am also meditating for longer than normal in the days around chemo & my mantra is "healthy cells take cover".

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