Sept 2012 chemo

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  • butterfly14
    butterfly14 Member Posts: 253
    edited November 2012

    Cindi - The rise is from the neulasta shot they gave me after the taxol, and the pain is because my bone marrow is working way overtime. The normal wbc is between 4 - 10, mine is at 53.33, and everything to do with the white cells is elevated.

    I have heard from some of you that you are not doing the neulasta shot with the taxol, are you white counts staying in the correct range? Trying to figure out why my MO had me do the shot.

    On the book, I am thinking about participating, although no one has seen me without a hat, wig or scarf since my head was shaved.

    Hope everyone has a great day!!

  • allurbaddayswillend
    allurbaddayswillend Member Posts: 355
    edited November 2012

    butterfly - My MO stoped giving me the shot when I went on the Taxol protocol. I only had Neulasta during AC treatment. I would ask him/her about it. Even better if you can find a standard protocol guide somewhere maybe on this site or the national cancer center site. sorry I don't have links...

    I had my one-week post-final chemo checkup yesterday. I don't have to see my MO for a whole month. wow! I start my tamoxifen tonight I guess. I haven't picked it up yet. :)

  • butterfly14
    butterfly14 Member Posts: 253
    edited November 2012

    allurbaddays - I am going to try that. I have lupus as well, and that tends to raise wbc's also. I ended up taking two doses of the voicodin, which helped me to sleep, and I do feel better today than I have in a week, still sore but manageable.

    I cannot wait to be done with chemo, should be around Dec 31, what a New Years present!! Just had my last fill for my expanders and now just need to wait until I am out of chemo for 2 months for the exchange. Finally starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

  • marianelizabeth
    marianelizabeth Member Posts: 1,735
    edited November 2012

    My MO has me on Neupogen right through Taxol which starts next cycle. 

  • PatinMN
    PatinMN Member Posts: 920
    edited November 2012

    Butterfly, I have finished 10 of 12 weekly taxol treatments and my WBC has remained in the normal range throughout with no neupogen or neulasta.

  • allurbaddayswillend
    allurbaddayswillend Member Posts: 355
    edited November 2012

    marianelizabeth and butterfly, neupogen is like neulasta except not as long-acting and tends to have a lesser effect so a patient might get a few shots over the course of a few days to get WBC up to what the Dr wants to see. Asking about it is going to be the best best because there are different kinds of WBC's and we don't know if your MO is looking for a certain type to rise or if this is just normal protocol for him/her, etc... like Patin, My neutrophil count was good enough (borderline at the end) to finish Taxol with no shots. If needed, I would have been given neupogen by my MO but his procedure is to avoid it until necessary if you're just doing one chemical. He automatically does it with AC he said and other similar combos.

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited November 2012

    Allurbad - hows your hair? I have one more DD Taxol next week and am done! Hoping for some peach fuzz soon.

  • Joemommy
    Joemommy Member Posts: 31
    edited November 2012

    Hi everyone!  Finally getting over the worst cold ever.  I got the approval last week to take OTC meds.  My fever got up to 99.7 but not bad enough to go to the hospital.  The oncology advice nurse said I could take any of the cold meds as long as they didn't have ibuprofen or aspirin in them.  I took Tylenol Cold Multi-Sympton - both the Day and Night versions.  Helped tons.

    I've never had any kind of neupogen or neulasta shot.  My blood counts are only tested the day before treatment and they've always recovered enough.  Not sure why they don't test them mid cycle?  Do most of you get them tested at other times before the day prior to treatment?

    I still haven't needed to get a port.  I'm hoping my veins hold up through the final two treatments and the remaining year of herceptin!

    I've always taken the steroids 5 times - the day before AM/PM, day of AM/PM, and morning after AM. 

    Treatment 5 of 6 tomorrow.  Dreading the next week.  :(

    Take care everyone and I wish NO SE for all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  We hate SE!!

    xo

  • butterfly14
    butterfly14 Member Posts: 253
    edited November 2012

    Having one of those days, now waiting for doctor to call back because of fever. Never ending fun. I am going to ask about the shots, hopefully will not need them anymore!

  • marianelizabeth
    marianelizabeth Member Posts: 1,735
    edited November 2012

    Neupogen and Neulasta are basically the same thing for those of us doing dose dense so very two weeks. Neulasta has the benfit of being long lasting, yes so only one injection but blood work gives my MO the option to increase or decrease the numbers of injections. Here there is no coverage for Neulasta and from I hear from many of you, Neulasta is crazy expensive even with insurance. So, same effect just not one time deal. Neutrophils are what all MO's are looking at and mine have been good just juggling the numbers of shots. Walked 5 k just now day after last A/C so now resting. All good!

  • Cindi74
    Cindi74 Member Posts: 363
    edited November 2012

    Marian,  Women come from lots of places.  You Canadians are just Americans with better health care for those under 65.  Of course we want you and the Brits and the Aussies and New Zealanders and any others.  I guess that a man or two with cancer can get in if they want. 

    English Rose,  will you head the marketing committee?

    I am in the last week of my last three weeks of A/C and feeling much better.  I really want to do something for Breastcancer.org because it has been  so great for me.  I had a photoshoot with my neighbor this morning and it was fun.  With digital cameras, no cost of film, so she made me feel like a model.  "Look this way, look down, smile, lean forward.  Let me change the setting to get ride of the shine on the head" 

    I know she took more pix in one sitting than I have ever had.  Being a photographer is actually not her main job.  Presently, she is buying old furniture cheaply on Craigslist and turning it into one-of-a-kind redone treasures.  She is very artistic and is very enthusiastic about  the book prospects.

    She thought it would be great for Oncologists offices and other places dealing with cancer patients.  

    Her sister had leukemia twenty years ago so the photographer understands the trauma of cancer and hair loss.  Her sister is still alive.

  • Cindi74
    Cindi74 Member Posts: 363
    edited November 2012

    There seems to be a good bit of interest in the book.  If you think you may be interested, have pictures made.  You can decide later whether to donate.  Hopefully, this will be the only time in your life with the naked head.

  • fight4two
    fight4two Member Posts: 146
    edited November 2012

    Cindi- Have we decided if we want to take the pictures in color or black and white?  Thinking I might need to take the pictures soon.  Hoping to have hair growing back, hahaha, i love my optimism - but more likely will start to lose my eyebrows and eyelashes (taxotere), and that will be no fun :/

    A title idea I'd like to throw out for the book is "The Bald and the Beautiful: The Many Faces of Cancer"

  • Mariposa123
    Mariposa123 Member Posts: 267
    edited November 2012

    Just had a thought- if the pictures are digital, they can be taken in color and we can always make them black and white... that way you have some choices if you want to... I guess actually you could do that with any pictures.  You can make things black and white, but you can't make them color once they are already black and white. 

    I like the bald and the beautiful:-)  I also liked the title - "Life with the naked head" - from your post Cindi:-)



  • kidsandlabs
    kidsandlabs Member Posts: 138
    edited November 2012

    Well, today didn't go so well. 20 minutes into chemo I started have chest pains. They shut off the pump and called the Doc to the room and ordered cardiac enzymes and an EKG. They came back all clear. Restarted the pump back up. The only thing they can think that caused it was my calcium levels dropped and messed everything up. I am Beyond exhausted today.

  • Mariposa123
    Mariposa123 Member Posts: 267
    edited November 2012

    I am so glad you are okay Kids!!!  That sounds super scary.  I hope you are able to get a ton of rest.  The exhaustion seems to build with each infusion for me too.  I think by the end, they are going to have to take me from the chemo lounge in a gurney to my car.  Hoping you have a good evening with no SE!!!

  • Cindi74
    Cindi74 Member Posts: 363
    edited November 2012

    Oh Kids, How scary.  So sorry.  Hugs and no more SE.

    Mariposa,  I LOVE IT!

    THE BALD AND THE BEAUTIFUL:  THE MANY FACES OF CANCER


    Tags:  Bald, Beautiful, Faces, Cancer


    My husband likes it better than

    THE BALD AND THE BEAUTIFUL: LIFE WITH THE NAKED HEAD

    Tags: Bald, Beautiful, Naked, Head

    Other comments or suggestions.

     

  • Cindi74
    Cindi74 Member Posts: 363
    edited November 2012

    Amazon has a Bald is Beautiful and a The Bald, Beautiful and Brave,

    but these are very different kinds of books. Don't see that as a pbm.

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited November 2012

    Well I am having a F it day. Feeling fat, bloated, exhausted, got diarrhea, headache, leg cramps,fingers and feet tingling, and nose bleeding. So what do I do to improve this? I cook spaghetti and garlic bread and eat till I am stuffed. Of course I downed it with a glass of merlot. It's the I got cancer so why can't I evil side. Hoping the all healthy, do everything right attitude returns in the morning!

  • Mariposa123
    Mariposa123 Member Posts: 267
    edited November 2012

    Shockd (who hasn't been on here in a long time) once talked about losing our "crowning glory" - and I used it as a post name when I lost my hair.  It really resonated with me...  I think about the term crowning glory having to do with hair- but I also can see it as crowning (like being born) into glory- which makes me thing of how life changes after cancer.  How every year will be sweeter.  How I am more grateful for things that I once took for granted. 

     I think it would make a great name for a book that captures all of our glorious bald heads -   just another suggestion:-)

  • Mariposa123
    Mariposa123 Member Posts: 267
    edited November 2012

    Jojo:  I'm sorry you are having such a rough day!!!  Chemo sucks!!!  When my daughter was at school,  I was feeling crappy and ate her chocolate covered donut in a F it - I have cancer moment.  She was so upset when she got home and wanted her donut.  I felt terrible and had to make big promises to never do it again:-(    Garlic bread sounds so delicous!!!   You have inspired me to have a nice Italian dinner:-)  (Plus spaghetti is my daughter's favorite)


  • Amy4978
    Amy4978 Member Posts: 473
    edited November 2012

    Hello ladies.... Had taxol number 5 today 7 more left and then chemo can kiss my ass for good cause I will be turning the page to surgery!



    I have not had to many side effects from taxol slight leg cramps, bad dry sinus blowing blood, and my diarrhea here and there but still feel better than with the A/C.



    On the plus side I have a full head of peach fuzz and my thinned brows and lashes are trying to fill in whooohoooo!



    Jojo so sorry your having a bad day but you are def entitled! Enjoy that glass of wine and I will say a prayer that your Se's become mininal and ease up!



    Cindy...I have been catching bits about this book but not all please tell

    Me more. I have a photographer who wants to do pics probono and this def sounds interesting.



    For all of you who on here I think of you and all our struggles often we are def strong woman! I say prayers for all of us and continue to keep the faith it will all be okay once again. Much love.....

  • Cherioo
    Cherioo Member Posts: 305
    edited November 2012

    Hey ladies sounds like a few of us are having a tuff day. I have a wonderful ear ache swollen gland and mouth sores all that started after a cold .. It sucks . Called my Dr and he called in Keflex . Praying it starts to work.



    Does anyone have advice on mouth sores I have never had this problem . What helps with this? I can't eat it hurts so bad only on the right side where my gland and ear hurts



    Jojo we all need a WTF day and eat what we want and drink a glass a wine or beer. I just can't wait to be done with chemo .. It sucks

  • Hopex3
    Hopex3 Member Posts: 397
    edited November 2012

    Wow, lots of SE's going on. I'm with you all too. Nosebleeds, tingly fingers and toes.

    I have my second round of taxol tomorrow. So Joemommy, you and I will be in the big chair together tomorrow. Just dreading it as I just don't feel good. I want my old self back. I'm sick of being bald too!



    Kids: so glad you are ok! Scary stuff!

    Jojo: I totally understand where your coming from. I feel the same way and my eyes look weird. Kinda puffy and sick looking.

    Such a pretty picture I am!



    Have a good evening. I wish a good nights sleep to everyone!



    Erin



  • Cocobean
    Cocobean Member Posts: 135
    edited November 2012

    Yep, it's been a rough few days. Got # 4 of 6 done on Friday, but whoa the chemo brain is really kicking my butt, just in a major fog, can't even read or focus on tv for long...plus GI problems, and the steroids aren't helping me all I want to do is stuff my face with food that isn't good for me. On top of the chemo crap, I've had issues with my masectomy incisions, delayed healing. My right incision once again hasn't healed correctly and on Tuesday my PS had to redo the incision and resuture it for the 2nd time and now we just wait and see and hopefully my body does what it supposed it, heal. It's just frusterating and disappointing, especially when I don't feel anyway. Going back to see him Friday, just need to be hopeful everything will work out. Thanks for the vent. I am so ready to get to the other side of this. F**k you cancer.

  • cgesq
    cgesq Member Posts: 319
    edited November 2012

    Cocobean,

    My left foob never healed properly either.  I literally have a small hole in the middle of my breast on the incision line that has been open and oozing since the end of August.  My BS is aware of it, but claims he can't do anything till I'm off chemo.  Both he and my MO have been telling me to clump on bacitracin twice daily, and protect it with sterile gauze.  Then, when I was at the dermatologist earlier this week, she tells me to only use aquafor on it, because too much bacitracin can cause the skin not to heal properly.  HELLO!!!  I have been putting this stuff on for months now and only find out now that I am causing it not to heal.....WTF!!!

  • allurbaddayswillend
    allurbaddayswillend Member Posts: 355
    edited November 2012

    jojo - I have about a centimeter of hair. It started growing in Sept/Oct but it definitely slowed down to almot nothing the last few weeks of taxol.  Also I have a big dent in my right hand pinkie nail and somewhat lesser dent in my left thumbnail. This is besides the obvious ridges across all of them from the AC. I'm a little concerned about them as they grow out and I have not done any nail polish & such. Perhaps I should? My eyebrows lost all the long hairs in the last few weeks too but there are some little baby hairs that show up well when I draw in my brows so they help. Eyelashes? I think I have about 5.

    Kids ((Hugs))

    I can't catch up on everyone right now  but I'll be back - all the best with no ill effects!

  • whenlifegivesyoulemons
    whenlifegivesyoulemons Member Posts: 184
    edited November 2012

    OK people.  I need tips, and advice.  AC #1 tomorrow.  The nickname alone "red devil" is enough to leave me feeling more than a little apprehensive about this next phase.  Add to that your numerous reports of very unpleasant (deliberate understatement) side effects and, well, I think I may be tempted to call in sick to chemo. Has anyone had a relatively ok experience on this regimen?  Please, oh please say that you're out there?  Or do I just get the barf bag ready and prepare for the worst?  Can I at least look forward to some medical marijuana?  

    Also, I thought "Why should cancer get in the way of the dog acquisition that I'd been planning for the last year"?  Fence is in, so 10 month old pound puppy was acquired on Black Friday.  (Some people buy flat screen TVs, some people buy dogs).  Four days into this it occurs to me this maybe was not such a good idea now that I'm moving into AC phase.  It turns out this extraordinarily cute dog tricked me into believing he was fairly calm and manageable so that I would bring him home where he could reveal his inner hellion.  I suspect my husband will either file for divorce, or, more likely, just give up and let him unwind rolls of toilet paper around the house, remove the moss from all the planters, shred various papers and kleenex and eat whatever else is in reach.  It is both really funny, and terrifying. 

    So, I will be barfing, while the dog destroys my house - and quite possibly my marriage.  

    WHAT HAVE I DONE?!

  • Amy4978
    Amy4978 Member Posts: 473
    edited November 2012

    Whenlife... I managed AC pretty well I would go in on wednesday for treatment. All of wednesday and thursday I felt okay. It was the shot of neulasta on thursday that hit me hard on friday and lasted for a good 24 hrs of bone pain def wasnt fun but the first shot was the worst. The 3 after gave me less and less bone pain. I never had any horrible nausea but I stayed well medicated with my nausea meds and stuck to foods that were comforting like noodles, breads the high carb stuff. I managed 4 dense dose rounds 2 weeks apart with 3 kids ages 4, 7 and 15. You can do this even with a puppy! I got total faith in you. Good Luck...

  • patriciahurtado
    patriciahurtado Member Posts: 489
    edited November 2012

    Aww jojo i hope that you are feeling better.....that wine worked for you!!!

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