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  • EvaPerone
    EvaPerone Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2012

    Linda: I was on tamoxifen for 3 years before I had a local reoccurrence (under the same arm that had mastectomy and axillary dissection previously) as well as liver mets, now lung as well. I actually thought the tamoxifen was easier than the faslodex. Everyone is so different. I have loads of joint pain with faslodex and I didn't have that with tamoxifen. Yes, lots of hot flashes with both.

    My question is this: my onc said only faslodex if you're post menopausal, and tamoxifen was for pre-menopausal. If you're newly post menopausal, why not try arimidex or femara, more front line endocrine therapies. I was told Faslodex was my last chance at endocrine therapy. 

    But if I have learned anything, it's that each of our cancers are very different. A doc told me they will have designer treatment eventually configured for our genes. Wish they'd hurry up. So please take this as just food for thought. Plus if you dont have complete confidence in your doc, please find another one. There are great ones out there.

  • SyrMom
    SyrMom Member Posts: 862
    edited November 2012

    Saw ONC yesterday, but no decisions made yet.  Has anyone experienced this: progression noted with bone scan, but improvement with tumor markers and CTC?  What the .... really am confused how to proceed from here.  I understand it can take the bone scan a while to reflect change, so perhaps the worsening labs in July were indicating the progression noted in Nov. but now the improved labs are indicating a move in the right direction(?) I've only been on Faslodex since middle of July.  Some of you have said you were told a good 6 mo for it to kick in(?)  This is so hard, don't want to wait too long, but don't want to throw away a possible favorable tx.  Any thoughts??? 

  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited November 2012

    Syr, I don't really know. I thought scans trumped markers, but if the scan is unclear I have no idea!

    My good cheek wasn't happy today. First time this side has hurt, but then the bad side didn't hurt much in comparison. Nurse Linda says she is starting to feel lumps, maybe scar tissue, and it is getting progressively harder for her to to do the injection. I wish I could think of a way for her to be higher so that she can use gravity more to complete the push.

    Met with the research doctor and received my trial drugs, which don't really have a darn thing to do with MY disease.

    And my markers are back. Just hanging out at their new normal levels. So another 28 days is behind me.

    *susan*

  • SyrMom
    SyrMom Member Posts: 862
    edited November 2012

    Susan, what trial are you entering?  Good luck with it, whatever it is.

    To clarify, my bone scan clearly indicated progression.  It's the timing I'm wondering about, in relation to beginning faslodex.

  • Tish_13
    Tish_13 Member Posts: 67
    edited November 2012

    SyrMom and all the Faslodex Girls,

    My bone scan at the end ( May 2012) of a three year clinical trial of Bisphosphontes lit up like a Christmas tree. I was NED at the beginning of the trial June 2009, I was NED April 2010. Then last March my mid back was hurting more than it should. However I had just switched from Tomoxifin to Exemestane. Armidex was my first choice, but it caused me extrem pain and swelling. My blood labs were normal, tumor markers normal, I was having a bone scan in May. I and the DRs felt the pain was from Exemestane as Armidex caused me such discomfort.

    Then here I am in May this year, so happy to be ending this trial of Bisphosphontes, taking a pill daily for 3 years at 5:30am EVERY morning. I have my blood work done, all normal, tumor markers normal. Then the scan and my Oncologist is calling me at 7:30 in the morning in disbelief. I have bone mets! The CT scan and bone biopsy confirmed bone mets. My tumor markers have creeped up since July when I started Faslodex but only 2 points out of the normal range!

    The real kicker is that this trial was to prevent bone mets. So what if Bio says Bone Mets, tumor markers say well maybe, maybe not...I don't feel or look sick and I am mad enough to beat the odds. I hope I have my grandmother's genes. She beat ovarian cancer in her late 40s. Had breast cancer at 80, bone mets at 85, died at 93 of old age.

    My point is in my short time dealing with this new adventure there sure are a lot of variables and no clear answers. Ask a lot of questions, read up on all the options, be the squeaky wheel with all your doctors/RNs and draw those you love close. Every day counts,

    Hugs

    Tish

  • SyrMom
    SyrMom Member Posts: 862
    edited November 2012

    Thank you for sharing ... I find this so frustrating; no clear answers!

  • Tish_13
    Tish_13 Member Posts: 67
    edited November 2012

    Happy Thanksgiving to all out there in the stage 4 world

    Hugs and warm thoughts,

    Tish

  • Tree3
    Tree3 Member Posts: 159
    edited November 2012

    And a Happy Thanksgiving to you my dear friend, Tish.  And to all of my stage four friends who keep me company during this maze of a travel.

    Teresa

  • BaseballFan
    BaseballFan Member Posts: 859
    edited November 2012

    Faslodex never kicked in for me.....hope others have better luck. On to affinitor.

  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited November 2012

    Too bad! I am so sorry to hear that this wasn't you magic drug. Good luck on the Affinitor.

    *susan*

  • Tina2
    Tina2 Member Posts: 2,943
    edited November 2012

    Bobbi, I hope Affinitor knocks it out of the park!

    Tina

  • RangerMom
    RangerMom Member Posts: 604
    edited November 2012

    Newly dx on 11/14 with mets to spine and hip, checking my lung now too as I have pneumonia. I'm just sick about this and worried about work and everything.  I want to curl up in a ball and just die but I know I can't.  They think the mets was there while I was going through chemo but it didn't respond and now has spread. Getting faslo and xgeva shots every 2 weeks, then going to once per month. Starting rads on my spine in a week i believe, waiting on the rad dr. to give me my dates, just 10 days.  What happens when I can't work any more and I lose my insurance and pay.

  • SyrMom
    SyrMom Member Posts: 862
    edited November 2012

    Do you have Short term or long term disability?  Short term is usually for 6 months and takes you into the wait time for Social Security Disability.  You might want to go to the Social Security thread.  6 month waiting period after approved; 2 year wait for medicare.  However, cobra can take you the 2 years if totally disabled (usually only 18 months); yes, expensive, but beats no insurance.  Stage 4 breast cancer falls under one of the compassionate approval (there's a list of compassionate illnessess) and this should be noted on your claim form to help to expediate approval.   You might also qualify for other programs like SSI or medicaid, etc.

  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited November 2012

    Ranger Mom - I am in Canada now (was diagnosed Stage IV six weeks ago) but when I was in US used the social worker at cancer clinic and the financial aid person - they were both invaluable and that's who you should talk to - they can help you get through the paperwork and they also are aware of various funds available for short term living expenses, medical expenses and the like - hate that you're having to go through all this at once.  Sending hugs, S.

  • EvaPerone
    EvaPerone Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2012

    Ranger Mom: Syrmom gave a good rundown. Just to further clarify, ask your job if they have a disability policy. At the same time, you will need to apply for social security (SSDI), you can do it online. It's pretty easy if you gather your medical records together so you can list your doctors contact info.

    You are eligible to maintain your health insurance but you need to pay 100% of the premium (so what you pay now plus what your employer pays) plus an administrative fee. This is COBRA and your employer is required to offer it by law if there are more than 50 employees. 

    Best case scenario is your employer has a private disability policy plus you can get social security too. I was very frightened about the loss of my income and I luckily got both. A year later, at least that stress was removed. One step in front of the other. Hang in there.

  • sandilee
    sandilee Member Posts: 1,843
    edited November 2012

    Benedryl!

     If anyone is having trouble with hives, bumps or abnormal tissue reaction due to their Faslodex shots, Benedry  may  be of help.  I had been having a very bad reaction just on one side for the last several months. One time, my skin even split open where the shot was injected.

      Doc recommended taking Benedryl an hour before, and then the rest of the day every four hours, and it seems to be working. Last month, and then today when I had my injection, there was no bruising, no hive and no redness.  It seems that I may have had a slight alergic reaction to the shots on the ones side (weird) but the Benedryl certainly helped.  I just thought I'd pass it along since it's such an easy thing to try.

  • c-k-j
    c-k-j Member Posts: 31
    edited November 2012

    It is encouraging to see the good results of Faslodex and also to know there are other options for those that are not getting the results expected from the drug.  I haven't posted in awhile but wanted to post that all is going really well.  I had my 13th injection yesterday!  My markers are still really low and I'm tolerating the drug well.  With the nurses only injecting the needle as far as they need to go to get in the muscle, the discomfort is really minor.  I iced it down for about an hour then went about as normal.  I finished my Christmas decorating and house cleaning today and it didn't slow me down. The minor side effects I have are thinning hair and dry skin (and eyes.  I use artificial tears throughout the day) but no hot flashes nor insomnia.

    One drawback is having to be at my cancer center every month, no exceptions.  Last month my injection was due when I was going to be in FL for a cancer conference and my friend at a cancer center in Atlanta, got me in to see a doctor there who would order the injection.  You would have thought I was going to Mars.  I called them months before to clear it, I called my insurance company to make sure they would cover it, my doctor faxed his "release", I was on the phone to this person or the other for two weeks leading up to the appointment and yet the day before I was to go in for my doctor's appointment and blood work, admissions still didn't have any insurance information.  We made the appointment for dr. and injection on two separate days to make sure we could straighten out any problems.  What a mess!  Sooo I guess I will have to plan my life around my monthly injection at my home cancer center.  And the pamplet in the drug says "If you give this to yourself at home...." !  I guess as long as it is refrigerated it is possible.

    Sending positive, loving thoughts to all.  Thank you for the encouraging tips -Benadryl for the allergic reactions, brilliant - and personal messages of hope.    Hugs, 

  • sandilee
    sandilee Member Posts: 1,843
    edited November 2012

    Yes, ckj, I know what you mean about planning your life around your injection. This summer our vacation to Canada was planned around my 28 day injection cycle.  

    But then, "planning my life" is much, much better than not having a life to plan. And just having to be there for the shots is so much easier than feeling crappy after chemo for days or weeks afterwards. I don't feel I have any complaints, and just hope this continues to work for many more months, and hopefully, years.  

    16 months down now--and CEA keeps dropping. Laughing

  • Tina2
    Tina2 Member Posts: 2,943
    edited November 2012

    I'm with you, sandilee-- grateful to be on a relatively easy regime for seventeen months and currently running with the Stable Boy. (It would be NED if there weren't visible mets in my lungs, but Faslodex has rendered them inactive, so I'll happily settle for keeping company with the Boy.)

    Butt and back aches notwithstanding, we are working travel and other plans around the injections and pleased to be doing so.

    Tina

  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited November 2012

    sandilee and Tina,

    Couldn't agree more!

    *susan*

  • EvaPerone
    EvaPerone Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2012

    Ditto for me checking in from Mexico. Heading home to get my next injections on Fri. Eva

  • Tish_13
    Tish_13 Member Posts: 67
    edited November 2012

    I love the idea of hanging out with the "Stable Boy"! Thank you Tina2 for the laugh. NED was fine, but I have moved on...I can let my imagination run with this one. I make up cancer songs to relieve stress, the husband kindly tunes me out and the cats clear the room. I can not carry a tune but It works for me.

    Aches and pain drags me down in the afternoon, but I saunter on at work. My 6 month anniversary of having bone mets is coming up and I am becoming adjusted to this new normal. I too must think out vacations around the injection dates. We are going to Mexico in January and Italy (hopeful) this spring...my bucket list is long and growing.

    Take care everyone

  • Tree3
    Tree3 Member Posts: 159
    edited December 2012

    Good morning my faslodex friends.......hmm, haven't seen anyone around lately, hope the page is still open.  Well, I have a few questions now that I'm coming into my 4th month of stage 4 diagnosis.  I'm coming into my 4th month on Aromasin and my second month on Faslodex with no known side effects.  But lately I feel tired as all get out and just want to curl up and rest whenever I can.  This is kind of new.  Four months ago I had no energy before any meds and it's not that I don't have energy I just want to sleep.  And this is new.  Normal at all with the meds?  No pain, no side effects (hot flashes and stuff) lucky me, and the meds are working,  but now all I want to do is sleep..

    Also, what does NED stand for and what do you mean by hanging out with the stable boy?  what am I not getting?

    Thanks,

    Teresa

  • stellaratovsky
    stellaratovsky Member Posts: 618
    edited December 2012

    Tree3 Ned is no evidence of disease. And stable mean that the disease is not progressing. I will take either or anytime.

  • Tree3
    Tree3 Member Posts: 159
    edited December 2012

    Thank you, Stella.  I think I'm hanging out with the stable boy and I'll take that too.  I hope some day I'll be NED.

    Teresa

  • EvaPerone
    EvaPerone Member Posts: 94
    edited December 2012

    I asked my doc what NED was and he said anytime I have no disease symptoms, regardless if the cancer is growing or stable. So one can be NED and not be hanging out with Stable Boy. Or one can be Stable and have pain etc and not be NED. 

    Teresa: Dont know if you are in MA, but it's winter and your body just may wish to hibernate. I have trouble sleeping since chemo and wish I could sleep some of the gloomy days away. Or go back to Mexico, and I'm already planning it.

    One year ago I was diagnosed with MBC and still hanging in. 

  • Tree3
    Tree3 Member Posts: 159
    edited December 2012

    Eva, I do live in MA and the weather has changed dramatically.Cold....Also, it's the holiday season, and the month my son died of Melanoma 5 years ago this month.  Oh, yeah, I'd like to crawl back to bed.

    I was in Mexico for three months last year before I was diagnosed and spent the holidays there with my other son and his family.  I was in San miguel de Allende and loved it.  Not quite ready to leave the medical team this year with my diagnosis only a few months old.  But am planning a barge trip in France in April.

    fWhen will you return to Mexico?  And thanks for writing

    Teresa

  • Aerial
    Aerial Member Posts: 194
    edited December 2012

    Hey, Tree3--so glad to hear you are not having any annoying side effects!   I've been on Faslodex and Zometa (for bone mets) and have been "hanging out with the stable boy" for over a year.  I'm so blessed & happy this stuff is working for me.  I do have some pain from arthritis and a slippped vertabrae but it's great to have improvement and stability in my bones.  Woohoo!

    My first few months on Faslodex, I did feel more easily exhausted.  Now, I have more energy but, still not up to my "old self."  I figure our bodies are fighting a rotten disease so, some fatigue makes sense.  It also makes sense that depression could be kicking in.  (My Dad passed away in December, several years ago, & I know that effects me).  Anti-depressants & counseling have really helped.  It'd probably be good to touch base with your oncologist about the sleeping--just to set your mind at ease.  Take care, hon.

  • EvaPerone
    EvaPerone Member Posts: 94
    edited December 2012

    Teresa: I did a barge trip in France (Canal du Midi) years ago and had a blast. 

    Go and enjoy. I am spending as much time on Isla Mujeres as I can. Plus planning a trip to stay on the tidal pools (warm water heated by the volcano outside your bedroom) in a house on the Big Island. Check out Shangri La in Hawaii on You Tube.

    It sounds crazy but I live a pretty great life as I am spending my retirement without fear of getting old. I can say that on good days. 

    On bad days, I get scared of being sick. 

    Eva

  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited December 2012

    Tree,

    I was on aromasin for almost 7 years, and I went through periods of complete fatigue, especially in the first year. You might find it helpful to keep a diary and note your energy level each day. Then when you discuss this with your oncologist, you might be able to find a pattern together.

    It has gotten cold all of a sudden. I drove to the Canadian border, and it was at least 20º colder there. I expect there is no place you would want to be more than Mexico with your son.

    *susan*

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