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  • Beckers
    Beckers Member Posts: 1,883
    edited November 2012

    Mean, I definitely agree with you on the Bali bras. They are comfy.

  • littlejj
    littlejj Member Posts: 7
    edited November 2012

    Good Morning,  I am new to this and would like some help please.  I was diagnosed in May of 2010 that I carry both the brca 1 and 2 gene. I have since gone and had laproscopic surgery to have my ovaries and tubes removed.  I have been struggling but finally succeeding on loosing weight so that I can go and have a double masectomy and diep flap. I would love to hear if any one has gone through it and how they dealt with it.  I am also looking for help on helping my 8 year old daughter cope with me going into the hospital.  She has been fine on the most part but now that it is getting more real and close to the time for me to going in she has been more clinggy.  She cries when I leave her at school and checks on me several times in the night.  Last night she slept with me most of the night.  Any suggestions on how I can make it easier on her?  Thank you for you time and help. 

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited November 2012

    Welcome littlejj



    I hate it when i forget what i was going to say, oh.



    Dont throw out your bras. My dd sold all my good ones on ebay. I had bunch of barely used bras from victorias secret. Will go andcheck out that bra at macys

  • CookieMonster
    CookieMonster Member Posts: 1,035
    edited November 2012

    littlejj - when I was diagnosed, my DS was 8 years old. At first we didn't tell him, but then decided that he would hear it from somewhere, it might as well be from us. So we talked to him about it. I think what helped the most was that we were always upbeat and positive with him. I was going to be fine.  It sounds like your surgery is before they've found anything so this is a preventative measure and it's to help you so that you can be there for her for longer. Major surgical complications are pretty rare so it's very likely that you'll be just fine. We were very open and talked about it when he wanted to do so, but once we told him what was going on, we allowed him to start any subsequent discussions. I think he also got some extra snuggle time.

  • ymac16
    ymac16 Member Posts: 138
    edited November 2012

    Hello littlejj, so sorry to hear of your troubles. I was diagnosed last year when my daughter was 11 and son was 8. Both of them took it pretty hard, especially my son, as they were so scared that I would die - for them, cancer just meant death. I did my best to talk to them and reassure them that the doctors were giving me a very good prognosis. There were still many tearful nights and nights when they would both want to sleep with me, particularly as we got closer to my mastectomy surgery. Once I came thru that, they felt things would go back to normal but I still had to go thru chemo - I told them that I had to rely on them to help take care of me, so they had a "job" to do to help mommy feel better. Once again, when I finished with the chemo, they thought things were back to normal again so I had to remind them that I still had one last major step to go thru. I just had my DIEP last Friday - they were VERY concerned in the weeks leading up to it and just about every day told me they didn't want me to do it. Again, I tried to reassure them that I would be OK and that this was important for me as it was the final chapter in my road to recovery. While there were no tears from them this time, there will still many nights of them wanting to sleep with me. Their school work also suffered a bit at each stage since they were so concerned (I told their teachers what was going on so they understood why the kids were distracted). My husband and I made sure they both had distractions on the day of the surgery - after school, friends or family took them for the day.



    There is nothing that you can do to make her totally comfortable with you going into this surgery but just give her lots of love, hugs, and kisses and give her the best reassurances you can that you will be OK at the end of this.

  • littlejj
    littlejj Member Posts: 7
    edited November 2012

    Thank you CookieMonster.  I have been very open and honest with her and told her it is so I coud be around longer. Yes touch wood that I am getting it done before I get cancer.  Some people think I am going to extreme when I don't have cancer.  I find it will give me a peace of mind to not have to worry.. MRI'S give me migrains.  I am giving the cuddle time as well and more so when she needs extra ones.  Any idea's how I can make the next month or so special for her ??  I am talking to my friends about doing a magical christmas with friends and family..Thanks again for your help.

  • littlejj
    littlejj Member Posts: 7
    edited November 2012

    Thank you YMCAC16, I am sorry to hear of your struggles through all your procedures and glad you have support.  I will definately give her lots of cuddles and love..  The school and very lovely and help me in so many ways.  I couldn't have found a better school for her.  They give her cuddles and talks as well as I do..Planning on making the time pass with lots of special time and was thinking of asking her for some ideas on what she would like to do with me before going in.  I don't know about you but have found it so hard until today to find people who carry the gene and want to do something about it.  Take care ..and thanks again

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited November 2012

    Littlejj... If I were in your situation, I would do the same thing. And I know of women who have had a prohpy MX and DIEP and have no regrets. One woman I met had it done and her sidter wanted to wait... unfortunately she waited too long and it got her. She passed away shortly thereafter. So being proactive is not over treatment. You need to do what you feel is right. Go with your gut.

    My kids were older, and my MX was voluntary (I could have just had radiation after my lumpectomy), but I also went thru chemo... and in comparison, the MX was not difficult for me. I knew I wanted to do whatever I had to do to not get cancer again... and used that philosophy when talking with my kids. They seemed fine with it, albeit nervous about the surgery, but fine otherwise.

    Because I had the luxury of time and it was a choice, I did a lot of HW and chose to travel to New Orleans (from NJ) because I wanted the best, and felt they were the best. I knew I would regret cutting corners up front if things didn't turn out well, so I am pleased with my decision.

  • littlejj
    littlejj Member Posts: 7
    edited November 2012

    Bdavis,  May I ask what is prophy mx is?  Here in England I have only heard of the diep, the one where they take muscle from your back, using pig fat, and getting tissue from your bottom.  Is there any others?  I don’t blame you for wanting to do whatever you could to not get cancer again.  Thank you for your support.  I have a cousin that went with implants and another cousin that chooses to go for tests all the time.  I think the hardest thing for my daughter is she is used to having me around and not having me around for a while and seeing the tv comercials on cancer makes her unsettled.  I am very open and discuss things with her when she has questions.  She understands that I am doing the surgery to stay healthy and be around for longer.  I am glad things have gone well for you and pray they will continue to go well.  Take care

  • MENA1954
    MENA1954 Member Posts: 194
    edited November 2012

    littleJJ  I am sorry but  I don't understand your description of the DIEP procedure. I had it done and believe me, it was nothing like you are describing!

    Why don't you Google it or go on YouTube   and find out exactly what the procedure entails. I started to explain it but I felt that it would be better if you actually read and saw it with your eyes.

    Unless in England the name DIEP is for a different procedure than here in the USA.

    Mena

  • littlejj
    littlejj Member Posts: 7
    edited November 2012

    Sorry Mena1954, I was just listing some of the operations I have heard about.  The diep flap that I have been talking to my doctor about having is where they take from your tummy and make new breasts. I have gotten a book from macmillan that explains some of the procedures. I have also done you tube and saw how the procedure is done. I just haven't talked to any one or seen any one to really talk to about.  I am sorry for not wording things right.   Do you have any regrets doing this type of surgery? 

  • MENA1954
    MENA1954 Member Posts: 194
    edited November 2012

    Definitely NOT!  It is such a great feeling knowing that in a way it is still me!

    After all it's my skin and more importantly its MY tissue, nothing foreign in my body!

    Now that they have become very soft and I close my eyes, I feel  that they still  the ones I used to have, that nothing has changed.

    I realize that maybe based on the body, some women do not qualify for  the DIEP, but if it's possible, then I recommended 100%

    Mena

  • littlejj
    littlejj Member Posts: 7
    edited November 2012

    Thanks Mena for sharing with me. It helps me to feel better about my decision. I was worried that they will not feel the same afterwards like if you was to get implants.  Thank you..

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited November 2012

    littlejj - I'm amazed how naturally like "me" my breasts feel - just firmer than before :-)



    Seems to me that in your family situation your daughter would benefit from growing up with the impression that this is just a part of what you do in your family. If the bc gene is in your family it makes sense for women and men to be aware that this is a risk and they naturally need to be checked and may need to choose surgery at some point.



    I watched an episode of Modern Family last night where the gay couple were using the word adopted around their daughter and doing lots of things that just included the concept of adoption naturally into their day to day living. Maybe your family life needs to normalise prophalactic mastectomies etc?



    Jenn



  • ymac16
    ymac16 Member Posts: 138
    edited November 2012

    Littlejj, I feel the same as Mena - no regrets at all for going through this procedure. Knowing that it is my own tissue there and there are no foreign objects in my body is the best feeling since I started going through this hell! I know they will never feel completely like my old breasts as all that tissue and nipples are gone, but this is as close as I can get to that so it's what's best for me.

  • cg1234
    cg1234 Member Posts: 181
    edited November 2012

    Littlejj, I know concern for our children is often the hardest part of this. Speaking from both my personal and professional experience, here are my thoughts...In the absence of information, kids often imagine scenarios much worse than reality. They pick up a lot when we think they aren't even paying attention. It's important to be open in an age appropriate way and especially let her know she talk to you about it and can ask anything on her mind. She will take her cues from how you approach this. It helps to keep routines, but remember that you know her best. You are setting a great example of how to be an educated, proactive, and loving mom. And you'll be back on your feet in no time! Good luck!!!



  • cg1234
    cg1234 Member Posts: 181
    edited November 2012

    P.S. You and your daughter will do great! I think we are all pretty happy we chose this route!

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited November 2012

    Littlejj... prophy mx (prophyllactic mastectomy)... preventative.

  • michellej1980
    michellej1980 Member Posts: 342
    edited November 2012

    Another DIEP 'fan' here! Definitely no regrets. Where in the UK are you littlejj?

  • Purl51
    Purl51 Member Posts: 190
    edited November 2012

    Hello all.  Thanks so much for all the information.  The only concern about DIEP for me is reading that you can't stand fully erect for a few weeks.  I have lower back issues and am wondering if anyone has had this procedure with a back issues.  I go to the chiropractor every three weeks and have to keep stretching or I have the tendency to "spasm" (lower back).  Thanks for any feedback!  I'm just worried that this procedure would compound my problem.  Thank you for any input.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2012

    Purl51: I would suggest you talk to your PS about his/her protocol. The first two days I could get out of the bed in ICU they had me bent over...and it WAS the most painful part of the procedure for me, but when my PS came in on day 3, she said I didn't need to hunch over...and that she differs with some about how long to avoid standing erect and feels "you'll know" if standing erect is doable. I've been erect since and feeling much better. Maybe your chiropractor can give you some tips on alleviating the strain if you do have to hunch over longer.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited November 2012

    Purl... I remember the second night getting up to go to the bathroom and walking totally hunched over. (like an "L" shape looking at the floor... The back pain was the only real pain I had but it improved a lot after 4-5 days. At that point I could stop taking Flexerall... Those seeing me walk, thought I looked like I wasn't hunched... and it got a lot better at day 5 or so. So even though you can't stretch and arch your back for a while, you won't be hunched for more than a few days.

  • CookieMonster
    CookieMonster Member Posts: 1,035
    edited November 2012

    Littlejj - The Monday before the surgery we pulled DS out of school for a family day. I'm a teacher so we NEVER pull him out of school, but I just felt that we needed to do this. We had a friend who works for Disney and when I asked her about getting us some discounted passes, she instead gave us three free passes. So we all went to Disneyland and California Adventure on our family day. It was a great day spent enjoying each other and having fun. It wasn't terribly crowded either, so it was great. The idea of doing something special before the surgery is a good idea, I think. You can solicit ideas from her, or you can surprise her. I think we surprised DS, just piled him into the car in the morning, but he eventually figured it out.

    I have no regrets about having the DIEP. And doing it before the cancer shows up, given your genetics makes sense to me. Some people don't understand and not everyone would choose this route, but it is yours to choose and you have to do what will make you the most comfortable.

  • MENA1954
    MENA1954 Member Posts: 194
    edited November 2012

    Purl51. I have back problems so I know what back pain is all about!

    All I can share and that is what happened to me, is that on the day after the surgery when they made me get up I stood up as straight as an arrow ! No hunching over or anything close, maybe a little pulling but not more than that! I know we are all different , so please don't let what happened to somebody else influence you agains this procedure!



    Mena

  • Sharon1942
    Sharon1942 Member Posts: 272
    edited March 2014

    Purl51, I had the DIEP surgery in September. I also have previous back issues - back broken in car wreck years ago & lower vertebrae put back together with clamp, screws, & bone graft. Slightly bending over a few days didn't bother me, & I was standing straight up very soon. I love my new boob & tummy tuck!!

  • sandpiper1
    sandpiper1 Member Posts: 952
    edited June 2014

    My apologies cookie. The archaic reference is that I am nipple sharing left with right. Clarity isn't my forte after working 12 hours ;) anywho.......my Ps did a very nice job with symmetry & nipple recon is all I "need" to finish. I am fortunate that my mx & recon really has been a one surgery deal. My abdominal incision does not require any revisions either. One small annoyance I have is a small area on my Abd incision that appeared to be expelling a suture. Ps looked for one but saw no suture. The area cleared up but is now reappearing with a little fluid. Hasn't broken open yet. Just annoying. Almost done! Wishing everyone a very wonderful Sat. Healing thoughts to those still recovering & welcome to those just now beginning their journey. :)

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited November 2012

    I had an interesting experience with back pain. I had been in excruciating pain pre-DIEP with weekly chiro adjustments to no avail (it would just move the pain from side to side.) When I woke up from the DIEP, the pain was gone!! The relaxation for 12 hours had released all the muscle tension that was causing the pain!! I would do this again just for that! My pain is from cumulative stress, I think, combined with general weakness, and waiting for surgery and dealing with work had been way too much stress, and even daily "Vitamin V" wasn't cutting it. I never took another valium after I woke from anaesthesia.

    Although I thought I had enough belly tissue for myself and a small army, I actually was pulled very tight on the abs to get enough tissue, which means now that the swelling is down, the tummy is spectacular, but for the first six weeks, I was stooped (and when I am fatigued, I do find myself leaning forward.)

    Working on ab / core strength pre-op will be a smart move for anyone especially with pre-existing back pain, and for anyone who already has back pain, it's probably wise to plan on getting physiotherapy post-op from a therapist who understands the limits during the recovery. The physio can make my body do stretches I cannot do with my own strength, and that has helped so much.

    On the nipple decision, I haven't and am strongly leaning against. This may not be what you normally think of when you imagine having a figure like Barbie, but I kind of find it cool. Maybe I will change my mind when the novelty wears off, but it's still working for me. 

  • sandpiper1
    sandpiper1 Member Posts: 952
    edited June 2014

    Gold.......love it. So glad you r happy with your recon. I am totally cool without a nipple on my breast. My frustration is having such a perky extension on the unaffected breast. So I made the decision to share that one. Never thought that would be the way to go but I am looking forward to reducing that over projection and both nipples will look alike. My areola is quite small therefore I'll see @ the tattoo @ the new nipple. I may not do it. I found a recent article by a Ps on revisiting the concept of nipple sharing. I had a few people question my decision on nip sharing..........but it isn't their decision to make ;)

    in the meantime the little spot on my Abd broke open once again. Bloody not pus. I am scheduled for a gyne procedure in early Dec. & just don't want to have it cancelled because of this open area. Oh well. What will b will b.

    Going to the Steeler vs. Ravens game tonight! First.......a walk on this gorgeous Sunday. Wishing everyone a wonderful day :)

  • Marcie47
    Marcie47 Member Posts: 248
    edited November 2012

    I am 1 week and 1 day out before my DIEP, I go to PS tomorrow for pre-appointment and not even sure what to ask at this point. If anybody has advise, I am just walking in a fog to get to next tuesday. Thanks and hope you all continue to get better soon.

  • littlejj
    littlejj Member Posts: 7
    edited November 2012

    Thank you all for your input and very good advice.. I will take it all on board to help myself and my family.  I meet with my plastic surgeon on Wed. to see if I have lost enough to go in for my surgery. I live  not far from Kingston. 

    I feel much better about sticking to the decission on going for the diep flap. I want to be as natural as possible and not have something foreign in my body. One thing that does weigh a bit on my mind about the surgery is that I am type 2 dibetic. I have controlled it by metformin and have reduced it down to half a pill a day.. With the weight loss I hope to get rid of the pills.

    I wish you luck Marcie47 and hope it all goes well.  I am trying to think of all the right questions to ask also.. as I have not gone in yet. Hopefully in Jan. depending on how things go on Wed.

    I love the idea on the day out.. I have talked with k about doing different things for the holiday's and getting her imput as well.  So it will be special for her as well as for me.

    Thanks again to you all..

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