Chemo or not? Oncotype borderline...

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  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited November 2012

    Tricia if your mouth is white call your onc if you haven't already. That sounds like thrush and although not life threatening it should be treated so it doesn't get worse. It's a yeast infection in your digestive tract.

  • TracyMN
    TracyMN Member Posts: 3
    edited November 2012

    Helpful tips and encouraging words on the chemo.  I love the navy seals reference too and will use that along with my warrior vision.  I plan to hydrate and keep moving too - good advice.  I bought my wig and am looking for makeup tips.  I didn't realize it takes so long for the hair to come back.  My son has picked out a couple of fun bandanas for me and my daughter has some cute beanies so we might have some fun with that.  I checked out a few different hair colors and styles but going with similar to what I have for now because they are quite expensive!  This is a whole different world I find myself in but getting more used to it as I go.Smile  

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited November 2012

    Tracy if you're in the USA the best make up tips I got was from the Looks Good Feel Better program. It's free. They give out free makeup and some give free wigs and hair coverings. Check to see if there's a program near you. IF not just check out the site. Same info is there.

    Also I highly recommend you call the American Cancer Society. They have all sorts of free resources and help. They can even match you up with someone who's gone through it. Granted you'll always have us here but it's nice to have someone local: 24 hours a day seven days a week at 1-800-227-2345 (or 1-866-228-4327 for TTY)

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited November 2012

    The Look Good, Feel Better program is awesome! I second Lago's recommendation to get signed up for a session.

  • 5LuvBugs
    5LuvBugs Member Posts: 506
    edited November 2012

    I will keep that Look good feel better program in my mind ...Lucky they have it at my treatment center....Thanks girls

  • twinsplus1
    twinsplus1 Member Posts: 43
    edited November 2012

    Tracy,

    My tumor was 1.2cm.  I had a bilateral mastectomy with DIEP Flap reconstruction on August 6. Then I learned that my oncotype was 18. I struggled for two weeks with what I should do. My oncologist is very informative but wouldn't "tell" me what to do. As a matter of fact, when I was leaning towards NO chemo, he would give me statistics on why I SHOULD and when I was leaning towards DOING chemo, he would give me statistics on why I SHOULDN'T. He is all about me making the best choice for me.

    As much as I hated it, I opted for the chemo. I knew I would never forgive myself if the cancer returned and I hadn't done everything I could to stop it. I am on an every three week cycle of cytoxan & taxotere. Next Wednesday is my LAST CHEMO!

    Has it been easy? Hell, no! but neither was my surgery.

    Would I change my choice if I could do it again? Nope. I have the peace of mind knowing that I made the right choice for me.

    I still have two procedures left for my DIEP reconstruction. However, I will find out tomorrow if I can postpone them. I learned AFTER my surgery that I am positive for Factor V Leiden heterozygous (a clotting disorder) and cannot take Tamoxifen. I am going to try to schedule my oopharectomy shortly after my last chemo so any remaining cells don't have any estrogen to prey upon. THEN, I hope to do the reconstruction procedures.

    Hope this helps.

    Hugs and love to all!

  • 5LuvBugs
    5LuvBugs Member Posts: 506
    edited November 2012

    Twins - make sure you come back here on Wednesday so we can all celebrate your final chemo treatment..  You have a lot of living to do girl....Glad you made the right decision. 

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited November 2012

    It's a hard time, but you can get through it and be really, really O.K.!!

  • MENA1954
    MENA1954 Member Posts: 194
    edited November 2012

    Twins, I'm glad everything worked out for you!

    Our DX are the same and my tumor was 1.1 cm, yet my Oncologist would not even consider Chemo! She Told me that chemo would hurt me more than help me. Now you make me wonder why such a difference of opinions between doctors!

    Mena

  • twinsplus1
    twinsplus1 Member Posts: 43
    edited November 2012

    @MENA - When my tumor size came back at over 1cm, doc was recommending chemo. I wanted to wait until the oncotype came back. Honestly, in my mind, the magic number was 15...if my oncotype was 15 or under, I wasn't going to do chemo. When it came back at FREAKING 18 - I had a lot of thinking to do. I am more of a factual thinker and not an emotional thinker.  I finally came to my decision by considering the following:

    1. Doc said chemo was recommended for tumors over 1cm. Mine was 1.2cm. Fact is fact: 1.2 > 1.0

    2. Oncotype intermediate range begins at 18. They didn't round it up to 20. There had to be a reason for that. Mine was 18. Fact is fact: 18 > 20.

    3. If I was willing to lop off both breasts to reduce the risk of recurrence why wouldn't I do chemo.

    I had to stop looking at chemo as a punishment and look at it as an opportunity. It was the opportunity to reduce my risk of recurrence even more. And now that I can't take Tamoxifen because of the clotting disorder, I have to see ovary removal as another opportunity to reduce the risk of recurrence yet again.

    As I said before, my doc is GREAT at playing Devil's Advocate and not influencing my choices. I even told him that I just wanted him to tell me what to do and he said he wouldn't do that. The decision to choose chemo was probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make (even harder than deciding to take both breasts) but it was also the best decision I could make for me to be able to put my head on my pillow at night knowing that I did EVERYTHING I could to kick cancer's a$$.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited November 2012
  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited November 2012

    mena, I wonder if one difference is menopause status. I'm 46 and pre-meno. My MO said that--all things being equal--my risk of recurrence would be about 1/3 lower if I were post-meno. (that's much more than my expected "benefit" from chemo and almost as much as my expected "benefit" from taking tamox for 5 years.) I know my doc looked at many factors. Because my IDC tumor was 0.5 cm, she disrecommended chemo but strongly strongly recommended tamox because I'm highly ER+.  So I think there are probably a lot of factors.

    twins, you have such a good attitude. I'll be cheering you on next Wed for your last chemo Tx.

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited November 2012

    TracyMN, I am sorry I could not comment to you earlier.  My OncoDx score was the same as yours (an 18) and I got the same 2-3% benefit statistics given to me.  What helped me to decide NOT to do chemo was this I knew my ER+ was at 90% and PR+ was at 85%.  I also knew that although I was Grade 2 (which is a combination of three criteria using the Nottingham scale,) I had the lowest mitotic (growth) rate.  Chemo works best on rapidly dividing cells, and I did not seem to have those.  This same info. swayed me into saying yes to Tamox.

  • 5LuvBugs
    5LuvBugs Member Posts: 506
    edited November 2012

    Now I'm wondering, why do I need: chemo, neulesta, 30+ radiations; then 5 years of hormone blocker therapy!!!  I am already post menopausal and have some bone loss, had a partial hysterectomy at age 32 and I'm 65 years old

    ER+ >90 PR+>90  Ki67 >20%   Doc added chemo based on ONCO score of 34%.

    What the heck, does this sound right? Anyone ?

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited November 2012

    TriciaM it sounds about right to me from what I've seen here but if you are having any doubts get a second opinion. I'm no doctor. Tongue Out If you have a lumpectomy rads is always recommended to be sure they get everything. Since scar tissue doesn't have the same blood supply chemo and hormone therapy might not reach that area where the scar is if something even smaller than microscopic was left behind. Since you are so highly hormone positive the Arimidex will be a powerful treatment. The one thing about us hormone positive gals is we could have a recurrence years even decades out. Arimidex is a good tool to stop that from happening.

    I too was diagnosed with osteopenia prior to chemo. After chemo and chemo pause I had some significant loss but still in the osteopenic range (although spine is -2.4 now). After a year and 5 months on Anastrozole (generic Arimdex) my loss was insignificant. I do take calcium and power walk almost every day.

  • 5LuvBugs
    5LuvBugs Member Posts: 506
    edited November 2012

    Thanks LAGO, you made me feel much better.  I wanted to trust my Doc but just hate the idea of all this treatment but then again, I never heard anyone say the liked it Smile.  I guess I never got to ask my MO the questions because I had no clue what to ask.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited November 2012

    Tricia if you have questions then call and ask to speak with the nurse. Tell her you have a few more questions. Write them down before you call. Ask if you will go to any chemo training? If you center has that you will be able to ask some questions there too.

    You most definitely need to discuss your osteopenia with your onc. I too was worried and she did do a bone density test before chemo even though I was only 49 and perimenopausal. I'm small boned, my mom had osteoporosis, drank lots of diet soda and used to smoke. I was like the poster gal for getting it. That's how we found out. That's when she told me to start taking calcium and do weight bearing exercise (already doing that though).

  • 5LuvBugs
    5LuvBugs Member Posts: 506
    edited November 2012

    Thanks again Lago.  I did go to the chemo class however it was only an hour after I found out I needed chemo - needless to say I was so overwhelmed and distraught.  I have an appointment on Monday and will write down some questions.  Already had bone scan, and MRI, Doc knows I have degenrative joint disease; mild osteopenia and arthritis.  Tha's why I hurt so much from the neulesta I guess.  Anyway the doc had me on calcium and weight bearing just like you but then the nurse told me my calcium was too high to stop it...better check w/MO again. Thanks for sharing your knowledgeWink

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited November 2012

    Are you taking Claritin when you have the neulasta? That's supposed to really help. I was already on Zyrtec so I couldn't double does. 1st nuelasta was terrible but all the others weren't so bad. That's typical… the first being the worst. Also make sure your D levels are correct if they haven't checked already.

  • 5LuvBugs
    5LuvBugs Member Posts: 506
    edited November 2012

    Didn't know about Claritin when I took the Neulesta but I am ready for the next time.  Glad to hear the first is the worst..Done!!

  • carolinames
    carolinames Member Posts: 43
    edited November 2012

    The first neulasta shot is definitely the worst.  Didn't find out about Claritin until after the 1st round.  It really helped!

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited November 2012

    Just be sure to check with your onc to see if it's OK. You don't want to be taking something that won't play with your other meds.

  • 5LuvBugs
    5LuvBugs Member Posts: 506
    edited November 2012

    Lago we are lucky to have you here.. Words of wisdom, you must have been here for awhile..thanks :0)

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited November 2012

    Tricia there is a lot of good knowledge here but always check with your doctors before trying anything that could interact with your treatment. Many people have PMed me for my advice… and the first thing I tell them is I don't have a medical degree and I'm actually a designer. Sames holds true for anyone here on this forum.

  • 5LuvBugs
    5LuvBugs Member Posts: 506
    edited November 2012

    GIRLS- I have changed my info,  I am no longer TriciaM  but 5LuvBugs -  I decided to go incognitoCool Do you like my new hairdo?  It's my little grandson wearing a puppy dog hat..

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited November 2012

    So many of us here are dealing with chemo brain, mental-pause, ESD (estrogen sucking drug) brain atrophy or any combination… we probably didn't remember you name anyway Tongue Out

  • 5LuvBugs
    5LuvBugs Member Posts: 506
    edited November 2012

    Still laughing at that lago... Do you like the pic of my new hairdo? Na it's my grandson in a doggie hat!!!

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited November 2012

    Love the color

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