Starting Chemo October 2012

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  • halfcan
    halfcan Member Posts: 253
    edited November 2012

    Toots-we are on the same chemo. I started on Oct. 4. #3 for me is next Wednesday. Then on Dec 5 I will start Taxotere and that should make #5 happen right after Christmas. :-). How are you doing with the FEC?

    I hope you ladies have a great weekend. It is a long weekend here in BC so we are off to Whistler for a change of scenery and a nice escape. Why not...I'm feeling good and may as well enjoy before dose 3 on Wednesday! Not sure of cell reception so will check back on Tuesday for sure.

    Hugs and feel good wishes to all of you!!

  • Toots
    Toots Member Posts: 104
    edited November 2012

    halfcan - yours started before mine first 17-19th October bloods, chemo, neulasta, second 7th-9th November third 28th-30th November then first Taxotere 18-21st December, second 8-11th Jan, 29th Jan - 1st Feb last tax woohoo then a break then 3 weeks of radiotherapy................followed by lets wait and see, clouds or silver linings? or even a little of both........last scan results received heart fine, bone fine, CT anomoly in one of lungs but very small and oncololist said nothing to worry about - doesn't that expression make you worry more? but he said rest of chemo/radio should clear it................second dose yesterday feeling much better than first already - can only improve from here on in!!!!

    Hugs to all and hope you all enjoy not too many clouds and lots of silver linings.........

  • LouBar
    LouBar Member Posts: 84
    edited November 2012

    Toots, I am also on the same treatment as you and halfcan.  Just had my 2nd on Tuesday and now day 4 and finally feeling better.  Not sure about you both but for me 3 hours post chemo FEC I'm in bed with all the SEs.  I want to feel great that I'm a 1/3rd through, but just dreading the next rounds especially feeling worried about taxotere.  The only good news was that apparently my clinic has the booties / mitts with the ice so that is nice!  Also had my first shot of neulasta, listened to all the advice and made sure I took the claritin and seem to be okay....ready to start feeling better before round 3.  

    Thanks for some great links ladies with more information / research.

    Best wishes to all!


  • Toots
    Toots Member Posts: 104
    edited November 2012

    Loubar - dont know if it helps but the oncologist nurse that does my treatment at home said that her ladies getting Taxotere that sometimes lose their finger and toe nails (toe nails more common- my mum lost 2 of hers) if the ladies have their nails painted black beforehand they manage to keep them all but they don't know the logic behind it. needless to say have booked myself into manicurist for her to do a gel varnish 3 weeks before each treatment due - gel varnish normally lasts a full 3 weeks - much longer than a normal varnish - just hoping nurse is right and it work!

    After the FEC I have been taking a 1/4 levomepronazine knocks me out and I sleep for 3-4 hours but wake up really dry - could drink a reservoir dry - real chemical mouth - but feeling better generally.  Had my neulasta last night - woke up feeling like I had the flu times 4 this morning not the cough and cold bit just ever bone and joint aching like hell - 2 hours in a hot bubblebath did wonders for it followed by a nice massage...........(feeling spoiled)

    Hugs to all and lots of silver linings


  • 301724
    301724 Member Posts: 478
    edited November 2012

    Hi Toots - Claritin (yup - simple over the counter Claritin) has been shown to help with the bone pain of Neulasta. Start it the day of your shot and take one per day for 7 days. I've done this twice now and not a lick of bone pain. There is a clinical trial going on now that is continuing to study this.

    Hope you're feeling better!

  • Toots
    Toots Member Posts: 104
    edited November 2012

    Thank you for the advice 310724 - got some of that in the cupboard - left over from the summer hayfever will try it much appreciated..........hey it is so great to get and share tips with people all in the same boat!

    Lots of hugs to all x

  • Noranelly
    Noranelly Member Posts: 30
    edited November 2012

    Hi all noranelly here I'm over my first chemo and felt quite weak and sick for first week, but since then slowly but surely feeling better an now week post chemo 10 days on I feel well which is great, however my mind is battling whether I should go back to my job teaching next week or not? Also I got really upset today and feel really frustrated as i don't feel I can carry on as normal, no Christmas work dos no going down the pub for eve to have a few drinks, does anyone else feel trapped and like life is on hold. Sorry difficult to explain, I know I should be grateful I feel well, but it was almost easier when I didn't feel well although I don't want to feel sick again! I know so confusing! I feel well and feel life should be on track , but it can't. Does any of this make sense??. Take care everyone also halfcan I am on fec then herceptin better go baby phoebe is shoving a book in my face bye

  • CelineFlower
    CelineFlower Member Posts: 875
    edited November 2012

    yes... i am having a very hard time coping with that too..

    christmas is a special time for so many of us...

    i am trying to shedual alot of stuff early... but since ill be starting my weekly dose of Tax on the 19th, back on boxing day... there wont be much ill be up for...

    good thing about christmas is it will be there next year...and so will i

  • Toots
    Toots Member Posts: 104
    edited November 2012

    Noranelly - think we all go through the 'emotional rollercoaster' bit know I certainly do when feeling well I try and follow my mothers philosophy 'keep things as normal as is physcially possible' - she went through 3 lots of cancer, surgery, chemo and radiotherapies - got the all clear 6 months ago and I am praying hard she stays that way.......she has been such an example and if I nursed her through it all I am sure I can find the strength to do it for me! If any of that makes sense...... so glad you over the sick feeling for now.....

    What is normal? Can't we just change what is normal for a new normal while on the emotional rollercoaster? Normal to whom? sorry.....just thinking out aloud maybe...........put it all down to a 'chemo-fug'!

    Hugs to all x

  • schoolmom
    schoolmom Member Posts: 458
    edited November 2012

    Day 6 after first chemo.  Still battling stomach issues....hopefully it will be better in a few more days.  There is just no way to take out the liquids to stay hydrated...lucky if I can get 2-3 eight oz glasses down during the day.  How much are the rest of you drinking?

  • Toots
    Toots Member Posts: 104
    edited November 2012

    Schoolmom, always thirsty anyway due to the diabetes just constantly have a glass or a cup of something sure I throw away more hot drinks that have gone cold than I drink but just try sipping all the time, constantly, worse for me at the moment is the constipation caused by the anti-sickness drugs......last time I had 4 days like that please don't let it follow the same path this time, can't eat or drink get so bloated and uncomfortable.............same time wouldn't want to go the other way and end up even more dehydrated!

    We all just need ways to counteract everything or it feels that way...........

    Hugs to all - looking hard for silver linings to the chemo clouds............x

  • CelineFlower
    CelineFlower Member Posts: 875
    edited November 2012

    i drink minimum 2 liters a day... i have chronic kidney issues so im used to it...

    i make home made ice tea.. or lemonade, to change up a bit..

    i also like the water really cold... frosted glassed can be good too...leave a big glass mug full of water in the freezer...

  • alcb70
    alcb70 Member Posts: 166
    edited November 2012

    Hi everyone! I had my 3rd round on Wed, and have been feeling ROUGH! Not as much nausea this time....but had a killer headache yesterday and have been hurting so incredibly bad. My numbers have been hanging in...and I'm grateful neulasta has been working, but seriously considering refusing injection next time. I could seriously barely get off of the couch yesterday. I got up and went to the grocery store today (briefly) but thought I was going to pass out by the time I got back. Sooooo miserable! I'm sorry, I saw that someone had asked about the taxotere as they were starting it ...but I'm getting it at the same time as carboplatin. I have read that taxotere is tough as far as se's go--but I can't say what is taxotere, carboplatin or neulasta.  I am so dreading my next round, it's the day before my daughter graduates from nursing school.  We have to travel 6 hrs by car back home & there is just no way I can get through it and feel the way I did last time. I don't want to ruin things for her. I may need to tell my MO no way on the neulasta.

    I am now half way through treatment though!  I see the PS in about a week to discuss surgery. I guess b/c I've had so many surgeries....it doesn't bother me as much. Chemo was a bigger scare to me.

    Well, still not feeling great, so gonna go for now. I hope everyone feels well today!

  • CelineFlower
    CelineFlower Member Posts: 875
    edited November 2012

    alcb... sad to hear how you feel... and i can relate.... just making eggs and toast tires me out..

    what if instead of canceling the shits u can delay them? would suck to miss that day...

  • Toots
    Toots Member Posts: 104
    edited November 2012

    alcb70 - so sorry are feeling the way you are relating my head is splitting too - neulasta yesterday! 

    Celineflower - just getting bathed and dressed wears me out - need an hour to recover............

    ....just trying to work out whether I am going to make church in the morning, know I cannot drive my hands and feet keep going numb and tingly and don't want that if I am driving and it comes and goes so randomly..........need to phone a friend tonight if I need a lift but don't know how I am going to feel in morning..........

    hugs to all x

  • anamerty
    anamerty Member Posts: 195
    edited November 2012

    @alcb:i hear what your saying and relate to it!i had my 2nd round on monday tc i felt fine tue but it all came back wed!!! im thinking worst than the first round i get neupogen instead of neulasta but have it every other day due to severe bone pain so wed the beginning again and right back to hell i was told that se from chemo is cullumitive? is it the taxetore? i get that and cytoxen together will i expect round 3to last longer or worst se? i have my work christmas party on dec1 sat i will get my chemo #3 on nov26 mon and kinda wounder how i will feel by that sat first chemo i felt really rough on the following sat this one really rough but its sat and today not too bad will the se get worst and last longer next time? im thinking to ask mo if i can get my #3 the following monday so im not sick for the party .maybe it shouldnt be that important but i want to see my friends and want to feel normal if just for the one night

  • LouBar
    LouBar Member Posts: 84
    edited November 2012

    Loubar here..

    Schoolmom - I've found that frozen smoothie pops are really helpful with both the extra hydration, a good food substitute when I can't eat and it keeps the mouth moist.  I do force myself to drink the water but find these are good and do the trick, good luck.

    Noranelly - I originally wanted to work through treatment but was worried about infections etc. and really wanted to see how I did through a full round.  I was pleased by day 11 to start to feel good and almost back to "normal" and thought I could have been at work.  But then I was super suprised that my WBC were so low which sort of scared me that if I had been at work exposed to potential illnesses i would be impacting my health.  For me now, I feel by not working I can just focus on me and my health and give myself a break!  If anything as you are just in Round 1, why not see how you feel over the 21 days and then make some decisions.  I know this is a long "pause" in our regular lives but I want to feel I've done everything possible to get better.  

  • Mrsrenicka709
    Mrsrenicka709 Member Posts: 10
    edited November 2012

    Hello Ladies, I have round 3 scheduled on thurs. I'm excited to get it as it represent me getting closer to the end but not looking forward to those terribles se's again! Ugh comstipation, bone pain from Neulasta and extreme weakness and fatigue! But now that I know what to expect it was easier, by day 4 my se's begin to ease up, there is a light at the end of the very long tunnel!! Try to enjoy your weekend!

  • marianelizabeth
    marianelizabeth Member Posts: 1,735
    edited November 2012

    Anamerty and alcb, so sorry to hear about your pain from the Neulasta/Neupogen. I guess I have just been lucky so far. I know that could change anytime. I have #3 A/C on Tuesday but am so grateful that I get to go to the Leonard Cohen concert Monday night before chemo!

    Anamerty, I saw your friend and colleague today at Costco as she was my cashier for the second time in a row. Nice coincidence but I asked her name this time and chemo brain and can't remember. I think it is worth asking your MO to postpone your chemo so you can go to the Christmas party.

    Long weekend here as we always have a long weekend with Remembrance Day which of course is tomorrow.

    SmileMarian

  • anamerty
    anamerty Member Posts: 195
    edited November 2012

    marian: look on the bottom of your reciept and it will tell you who the cashier is that you got today lol just curious.. i do have a lot of friends there but wonder who you got. i looked at my dec chemo date and if i pospone the one before the party then i will end up being chemo sick right at christmas so i will have to suck it up but wondering if ill prety much feel the same as this time or if the se get worst or better.im trying to figure out what i can do to have easier se on that sat which would be day 6 post chemo any suggestions that might help? You must be doing something right cuz you seem to get through your se quickly...Brenda

  • CelineFlower
    CelineFlower Member Posts: 875
    edited November 2012

    day 5 of 3rd A/c...

    ugg...

    my grandson is coming today...he is a good distration...

    i know ill start feling better soon...

    thank goodness for the 3 week break in between...

    wonder what the weekly taxol will be like

  • marianelizabeth
    marianelizabeth Member Posts: 1,735
    edited November 2012

    anamerty can't find the receipt even looked in the garbage! But maybe it was Shelley? I think that still being able to get out and walk and go to yoga is helping. I am not sure that my two cycles have been the same as first one I had such bad diarrhea but not this tme. I have found this second cycle longer but now see that by best days are the 4 before the next cycle but then I have it every two weeks. Sleep is my worst problem and was up today at 0600. Not that I mind that, as it is so quiet and I have my own time!

    I would choose Christmas over the party if I had to choose but hope that for you day 6 works out!

  • Toots
    Toots Member Posts: 104
    edited November 2012

    .........headaches, bones and joints easing thank you so much for the hint with the Claritin  - so much better so much faster than last time........

    .....mouth seems to be erupting again - even faster than last time - friend suggesting freezing grapes and sucking them I suppose almost like ice pops just frozen fruit - but they are real soothing...........

    ......had a funny day didn't make church, got up and bathed, dressed all ready and heading for the door and had a real sick dizzy wanna pass out moment.........had a strange night, slept about three hrs.....got up wandered drank some water back to bed slept about another two, got up just couldn't break the cycle - terrible nightmares - sure its just the conflict of so many drugs floating around.............ended up back in bed for most of the day but feeling so much better for it.........

    Feeling better faster with second round than first - does it get even easier with third or is it just lulling me into a false sense of security? .......then a new challenge after the FEC comes the T - no ideas what to expect with that one.......harder? easier? SEs?.......

    ........think it is the first time I have missed a Remembrance Sunday ever - family military background - unheard of.........

    ....think I am just wandering through this chemo-fug again sorry, mind just side-tracks not concentrating, think I should just head back to bed and try and make sure I am at least fitter to face tomorrow than I was today............

    Hope for good times for all............hugs x

  • 301724
    301724 Member Posts: 478
    edited November 2012

    Hey Toots - just take it as it comes. Rest when you can. And don't beat yourself up over missing church. God knows what's in your heart.

  • Toots
    Toots Member Posts: 104
    edited November 2012

    ...thank you 3017254 - won't beat myself up over it, missed it but had two of the ladies phone me and make sure I was OK as soon as they got home, and last session when I missed church the minister was here to check on me first thing Monday morning - he is such a sweetie! His favourite expression 'being christian not about making church every Sunday morning but how you behave 24/7'.........gonna get a drink and some R&R x

  • hap_k
    hap_k Member Posts: 95
    edited November 2012

    Hi

    I started Taxotere-Cytoxan on Oct 29 (every third Monday for 4 cycles). Worked so well that WBC  0.5 & ANC was ZERO! Fever went to 101 before I got the anotibiotics. They wanted to put me in the ICU, but because I live two hours away and I'm essentially & strong, healthy person (though feeling less like one each day of chemo), the doc put me on antibiotics, isolation at home, and told me that I will have to take Neulasta for my last 3 infusions.

     I am so deathly scared of Neulasta. The bad stories appear to out number the good, but honestly I need to hear some positive stories. 

    Since they think I am Triple Neg (still waiting for confirmation one way or the other) and I NEED to do chemo to keep the cancer from coming back, I cannot just quit the chemo nor can the doc reduce the chemo. They say the Febrile Neutropenia will return WORSE each time if I do not have the Neulasta and I WILL be in the ICU. So really I don't have a whole lot of choice.

    Anybody else doing Neulasta? 

    Thanks, Hap 

  • Mrsrenicka709
    Mrsrenicka709 Member Posts: 10
    edited November 2012

    Hap k, I am preparing for my 3rd infusion and I have had Neulasta two times so far....honestly the first time around it was the worst for me but I think that I did not take the recommended pre-meds correctly. You should take Claritin and a pain reliever about an hour prior to your injection and then continue with the Claritin once a day for the next seven days. Heating pads, pain meds and plenty of fluids, you will be fine.

  • Toots
    Toots Member Posts: 104
    edited November 2012

    Hap-K

    Having FEC for 3 sessions every 3 weeks then T for 3 sessions having neulasta on Thursday 24 hrs following chemo - allergic to anti-biotics not much of a help with infections - lowered immune system anyway due to diabetes, aches and pains in the joints, bones and headaches - awful but at least neulasta seems to be keeping blood count up and someone suggested claritin from day of injection to day 7 ............good idea and whohoo certainly helps ......ached like hell on Friday took the claritin went for a sleep and woke up so eased....................

  • schoolmom
    schoolmom Member Posts: 458
    edited November 2012

    I started Claritan on Saturday before my Monday first infustion.  Had the Neulasta shot Tuesday morning.  Continued Claritan every day from Sat - Sunday.  I had se from stomach issues but nothing I can relate to the neulasta.  No aches, no pains, nothing.  Weird tastes and eating / drinking issues but that is the extent of it.  Loss of appetite.  I go to oncologist Thursday and I know I will have labs the Friday before my next infusion on the 26th.  Not  sure if labs before that.

  • hap_k
    hap_k Member Posts: 95
    edited November 2012

    Thank you, Toots, Schoolmom, & Mrsr...

    That helps a lot to hear your stories and good advice. Claritan really seems to be the ticket for surviving this. Good to know.

    Fingers crossed! 

    Hap

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