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  • dnadebbs
    dnadebbs Member Posts: 82
    edited November 2012

    I'm actually in the same boat as Rainess......but i'd like a little more information from you ladies if possible.   I'm currently scheduled for a Lat flap surgery with silicone implants on 1/3.   A surv sister shared with me the DIEP method and was very happy with it.   My PS said she does not do them and I would have to go to someone else.   There is a Dr. here in Phoenix who does the surgery and i've read that people have traveled to go to him.   His pictures seem normal based on other pictures of the final outcome that i have seen yet i have not spoken to him yet.   

    My questions are about the process itself.   What made you ladies choose the DIEP method over the others.   I'm an active person so of course i'm not fond of my muscles being cut and repositioned.....but what is the long term effects of DIEP?   what circumestances made you choose DIEP?   Is there anyone who has had the surgery with regrets?  please help educate me.  My other issue was that i'm tall and big boned.....i had larger breasts (DD) prior.....and although i'm not concerned with going that big again....i would like to be more proporationate.   I was told that the DIEP option will help me with that......whereas the surgery i currently have scheduled will only allow me to be MAAAAYBE a small C.   is that true?   does anyone have experience with that?

    i just need help......any thoughts would be sincerely appreciated.    Thank you!

  • cg1234
    cg1234 Member Posts: 181
    edited November 2012

    Rainess, I posted a response to you on another thread but I would be happy to talk to you about the breast center and ps dept at OSU. I had my diep there 8 days ago. I also met someone else from cinti who came to OSU in sept. Feel free to pm me and I can send my phone number. I would hate for you to go someplace unless you're 100% confident in them.

  • painterly
    painterly Member Posts: 602
    edited November 2012

    Did anyone have lymphedema issues after their diep? I was told I would have an increased risk of this swelling on one side because of radiation.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited November 2012

    DNADEBBS... DIEP flap does not compromise any muscle, and so that is a huge perk. I chose DIEP/GAP over implants because I wanted to do this once, not over and over again, and implants can be painful and heavy.. I chose DIEP/GAP over LAT flap as lat takes muscle and would require an implant. Plus my original PS said that he would do lat flap on one side and implant on the other... no thanks. I am now a year out from stage II surgery.. I will havea  tweak in January to make things perfect, but my breasts look totally natural, are soft, warm and no pain... No regrets here.

  • michellej1980
    michellej1980 Member Posts: 342
    edited November 2012

    Definitely no regrets here. I'm 6 weeks out and only have a bit of tightness in my tummy, which is normal and would probably improve quicker if I exercised! I can't say I really suffered any pain at all, not even immediately after surgery. All I had was a bit of soreness at the drain exit sites and at the ends of my abdo scar. I hate the sound of having TEs and implants and am thankful I was eligible for DIEP. Apart from the lack of nipples and areolas, my breasts still look and feel very natural. I'm so happy with the results I wish I had done it years ago when maybe they would have both been prophylactic...

  • sptmm62
    sptmm62 Member Posts: 665
    edited November 2012

    Thanks guys for your advice.  I just returned from the PS surgeon's office and they removed three of my six drains, including the one that was causing me pain.  I feel like a new person.  My doctor is actually stuck out of town so I saw the NP and even though all my drains are at 20 cc or less of drainage, she wanted to leave some of them in and I was okay with that so I didn't push.  So I still have a breast drain on each side and one abdominal drain.  I have an appointment with the PS on Thursday and I am sure they will come out then.  I would rather err on the side of caution and leave them in a little extra as long as they aren't hurting me, and they aren't. 

    Fredntan:  You are definitely much braver then me, I almost died at the thought of her taking them out, I could never have done it myself.  Even though it did not hurt, just the thought of yanking them out would have killed me..LOL!

    CG:  Thanks for the info on the 30 cc, that was the same measuring make the NP mentioned, but we decided to leave some of them in for the doctor anyway, and I am okay with that.  So glad to hear that you are down to 1!  Seems to be going well for you.  I feel great now that the painful drain it out!

    Dltn:  LOL on the little plastic grenades, that is exactly what mine look like! That description made me crack up. 

    Mena:  We talked before my surgery, remember.  We had the same plastic surgeon, Dr. Korn.  You were right he did a great job! The girls look pretty good, and are not too big!  And my abdomen is good too, he didn't pull too tight so it still has a little "flub" which is appropriate for a 50 year old.  Did you make any progress with the issues with your bill?

    ElizabetH:  I have a desk job and can ill afford to be on short term disability for long.  My PS said I would be out 4-5 weeks and based on how I feel now 1-1/2 weeks post op, I think he is just about right.  So, I don't know what you do, but I would get another opinion because I can see myself feeling fine to go back to my desk job at around five weeks or so. 

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited November 2012

    Sptmm62, I work in dept where we put the drains in. I took out my own stitches too.



    My rad side has issues still,soft at top harder at bottom. My PS is going to lift and reduce the leftbreast more for part 2, & add some lipo to that rt side. Both nipples have hair growing on them. They just look so differant now. The rt had large TE in it and has football scar, the left has lollipop scar. Looks like i will be a b size.



    My ps recommends compression until 8 weeks out. I feel like a sausage in casing. Can do compression daytime after 4 weeks. Does everyones docs have similar guidelines? My original ps said no compression at all

  • regenschirm
    regenschirm Member Posts: 82
    edited November 2012

    The lymphadema issue--I did PT leading up to surgery- working on breaking up scar tissue on the irradiated side as well as manual lymph drainage. Its good to be prepared. I brought my bandages just in case. They do push fluids those 1st days but in my case the irradiated side had less swelling after surgery than before. I also requested low sodium diet.



    Now 6 weeks out I am stiff and still sore. I measure my arm every week or so and as of yet I have not had a flare.

  • cg1234
    cg1234 Member Posts: 181
    edited November 2012

    Yea sptmm62!! I hope you feel as well as I do today. I feel like I turned the first corner even though I'm still pretty tight. I'm with Fran though and about ready to pull the last drain myself. The np said I had to keep it until my appt mon. Hope things are getting better on the east coast. Have a great wkend everyone!

  • Elizabeth1959
    Elizabeth1959 Member Posts: 346
    edited November 2012

    I appreciate everyone who has offered their opinion. I'm feeling much more optimistic

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited November 2012

    It was 5 weeks yesterday since my surgery. Was back at my full-time office job this week and made it through the week - just very tired by the end.



    My PS does not give any directions for abdominal compression after this surgery, but after reading about all of you who are using it I hauled my "hold it all in granny pants" out of the bottom of my drawer the other day. After wearing them for a whole day at work I was much more comfortable and less swollen and tight in the abdomen by the end of the day. I have about 3 different pairs of these things that I bought over the years (could never find a very comfortable pair) so will be washing pretty much everyday unless I can be bothered going shopping to buy some more - hardly worth it for a couple of weeks wear though.



    I really feel like I have turned a corner this week. I can now sleep (carefully positioned) on my sides again and I stopped having to have the pillow under my knees in bed. I can move from sitting to standing wothout having to strategise too much beforehand.



    My incisions are well healed, however there are a few places where internal stitches are working their way out a bit. The nurse and PS said this was normal and to just snip them as they get long enough. Problem is that they don't seem to be working further out but just sitting with a tiny bit poking through. Doesn't hurt or irritate physically but is irritating psychologically!



    Jenn

  • michellej1980
    michellej1980 Member Posts: 342
    edited November 2012

    I found a stitch poking out the other day and tugged it a little and felt it pull along my abdo scar. I just trimmed it and hope it all dissolves the way it should.



    I was able to lie on my side after a week but not that comfortably. I still find it helpful to hug a pillow.

  • cg1234
    cg1234 Member Posts: 181
    edited November 2012

    Dnadebbs, to add to the other responses about choosing diep...I have to admit that last week I was having a hard time looking at myself and asking why I had mutilated my body so. The first week post surgery was tough for me both physically and emotionally but I am early in my bc journey. At 10 days out I feel very different now. My new breasts are still a bit numb but I couldn't have asked for better incisions and I know they will end up looking and feeling very natural. I have a small circular scar and 2 inch horizontal scar toward one side. I didn't want to deal with te and replacement implants all my life. Plus the complaints of firmness and how cold implants feel didn't help. I know these breasts are still me and will age gracefully with me. Everyone told me they just keep getting better with time. My ps also described diep as taking all the risk up front relative to implants which entails risk over multiple years and procedures. I liked the idea of having diep and never having to worry about contractures, leaking, etc. That's just my thinking if it helps you. Wishing you strength and good luck as you make your decision!

  • dnadebbs
    dnadebbs Member Posts: 82
    edited November 2012

    thank you so much......i've been reading alot on here and it sounds as if the DIEP is the clear winner.   like i said i wasn't really given that option but a friend had it done after complications trying to get TE's and implants and said she wished she would've just went straight to that because now she is soooo happy with the results.   my only thought now is trying to find a team i trust to do it in here in Arizona or if i really have to travel to get it done.   i have learned that choosing a fabulous experienced team up front makes all the difference.

    i also found that having radiation done doesn't really matter with DIEP....which is good.....

    thanks so much for all your thoughts.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited November 2012

    dnadebbs... I live in NJ and saw Dr Allen in NYC and a local PS and in the end decided to travel to NOLA... I suggest you inquire locally and distantly and see what your options are. Traveling is far easier than it sounds. And all my local doctors thought I was crazy and discouraged me from getting on a plane. But I did what I KNEW was right for me. And here I am a year post stage II and my doctors are eating their words. A) you need to trust the team 110% B) you need to feel comfortable with the financial burden C) You don't want any regrets later so don't take any shortcuts up front and D) (most importantly) your surgeon should have hundreds or thousands of DIEP under their belt... experience is paramount here.

  • sptmm62
    sptmm62 Member Posts: 665
    edited November 2012

    Dnadebbs, I had radiation to my left side and that is the main reason why the plastic surgeon steered me in the direction of the DIEP.  I chose that ultimately because I am very active physically and was not happy at all with the thought of any of my muscles being disturbed.  Implants were not an option for me because of the radiation, but I think the fact that they need to be replaced sometimes and they are foreign material would have steered me away from them anyway.  My PS said the only risk the radiation causes in DIEP is that sometimes they radiated side heals a little slower.  All in all, what I got from my plastic surgeon was much like someone else said.  The risk in the DIEP is all up front.  It is a very lengthy and involved surgery but if it is going to fail it will happen in the first couple of weeks, after that you are good.  I am now 10 days out and today I feel great!

  • MENA1954
    MENA1954 Member Posts: 194
    edited November 2012

    sptmm62 How long was your surgery?  After the surgery the breasts  are hard but, as everything starts to heal, the change is amazing! 

  • Beckers
    Beckers Member Posts: 1,883
    edited November 2012

    Sptmm62, did it take long for breasts to soften and did they soften completely?



    Bdavis, did you do okay in the storm? I read you say you are in NJ. Hope all is well for you.

  • sptmm62
    sptmm62 Member Posts: 665
    edited November 2012

    Beckers, my surgery was just last week so my breasts are still firm.  Everyone says they will soften over time.  They look pretty good.

  • cg1234
    cg1234 Member Posts: 181
    edited November 2012

    Fran, Jenn, mommaof4, and Michelle, are you all able to stand upright fairly well now? How do your breasts feel at this point? Is energy getting closer to normal at 5-6 wks out? Just trying to gauge progress for the coming weeks. I hope my concentration is good enough to work from home by then. Thanks for any updates!

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited November 2012

    Rebecca.. Thanks for asking... I am fine. Got my power back on Tuesday. I have been hosting my parents and a friend of my son who were/are powerless. My parents and brother (from LI) still don't have power, and my sister lives on the CT coast, so she has some major issues... Lots of damage here in NJ - the coast is destroyed. I have many friends who have lost their homes - luckily, they are second homes. For me, I got gas this morning without a line, so improvement there. No work or school since the storm, so looking for that to get back to normal. School campus had about 200 downed trees and lots of downed wires, so who knows when we get back to that. And of course my son is a senior, so we're dealing with college app deadlines/extensions.

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited November 2012

    Hmmm, sometimes I feel like I am upright again and sometimes not. My stomach certainly doesn't feel like it's back to normal - still a tight, stretched but numb feeling, but I did have a free TRAM rather than DIEP and can definitely feel that I have "mesh" in there...



    Energy is a bit hard to tell. I restarted Tamoxifen 3 weeks ago and am having some uncomfortable SEs that I am not sure are caused by it, including a constant headache and waking at 4am each night (right now... :-/). These are making me tired and a bit nauseous and grumpy and emotional so I have emailed my MO office on Friday about them and am waiting to hear back.



    I am back at work but finding the headache and nausea are distracting me and making my day uncomfortable.



    Jenn

  • sptmm62
    sptmm62 Member Posts: 665
    edited November 2012

    Funny cg i went for a walk yesterday and noticed i was walking a littles hunched over. I had to consciously keep reminding myself that if i could lay flat on the recliner I could stand upright! I am glad to know it isnt just me.

  • Marcie47
    Marcie47 Member Posts: 248
    edited November 2012

    I am scheduled for November 27th,and if it wasn't for the help of everybody posting their experiences I would have chickened out! I know this is the right choice for me and I am confident in my PS but it sure helps to know there are others out there traveling this same journey and talking about it.



    Thanks to all of my sisters who have paved the roads for all of us to travel safely!

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited November 2012

    For those on the cusp of being straightened up at 6 weeks, I am almost a year out now (Dec 15 last year), and when I am not thinking, I catch myself stooping slightly, say, when I am trying to make a quick dash to the washroom between appointments. Since 6 weeks, I can straighten up but I have to consciously do it even now. Also good news, I have not done anything as far as oil or ointment on the scar, and it's completely blended and to me, looks invisible, in the centre where it is stretched by the straightening up. The ends of the scar at the hips are pink because they don't get stretched and I don't massage them as much as maybe I could. I don't know when it happened but the bloaty bigness is gone. I now really notice when I can't resist a big meal because the stomach protrudes more than the lower abdomen. Kind of freaky. Most importantly, I also didn't notice when it happened, but in the past couple of months, my head came back. The fog has gone. I just pulled through a really intense couple of months for deadlines, and coped fine. (Hate to think about having a touch up and more anaesthesia, but I will. However, I am going to lay down some productivity now, and do it maybe in the summer.) I just wanted to give you some good news from not too far out along the path.

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited November 2012

    Goldlining,

    Is it normal for the boobs to ache some?

    That tightness/pain in my groin is completly normal?

    My rt/radiated boob smaller/harder, it can get softer over time?

    I am four weeks out.

    Thanks

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited November 2012

    All sounds like me Fran... except my slightly radiated breast is actually larger than the other. The PS made it slightly larger in case it did some shrinking. It is barely noticeable but he did say it could be fixed when I do the nipple origami surgery early next year.



    Jenn

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited November 2012

    I had no rads so don't know about that. (I went scorched earth with DCIS because I never wanted to have to do the hard stuff.) 

    I'd say I still do have occasional achiness in the upstairs part of the surgery even now but I don't think anything of it. There is a lot going on: the skin incisions healing and scar tissue breaking up etc.  I had that reduction 35 years ago that sort of prepared me for the surgical healing for the mastectomy and reconstruction later. It doesn't have any meaning to me, e.g., as a sign of something bad going on; it's just the way it is.

    In the downstairs part, you have to think they took out X" of vertical height (depending on how tight the surgeon went.) In my case, it seems like 6" shorter on the front than the back. All the muscles are still there, and they are sort of scrunched up with less space to stretch out. They were sort of buckling in there. A lot of pain I had in my hips is from the constant bend at the hip joint caused by the simple geometry of the front is shorter than the back. This is very hard on the body and other muscles have to compensate for it, and this often leads to backpain etc.

    At 4 weeks, you still can't do ab exercises, but I was by that time going for physio roughly once a week, and she would gently do movement at hips and shoulders to reduce the stiffness that it causes to be bent forward like that. As soon as I passed the all-clear for some ab exercises, she started me doing some light stretches and strengthening. I would probably have indulged myself without her to keep me honest, so I think that really helped. 

  • cg1234
    cg1234 Member Posts: 181
    edited November 2012

    Good to hear everyone's progress! And good luck Marcie! I got my last drain out today and commenced with the irritating binder. I can see why you all bought marenas. I can't wait to get rid of this. Am super grateful for clear nodes and margins today. Am not seeing ps again until dec and he'll evaluate whether I need stage 2. I am very tender and need to work on range of motion. Everything else is healing well but energy is still limited. Husband has been wonderful but heading back to work. Cancer has stolen a bit of my dignity and modesty at times but it has also reminded me of all the love I have from family and friends. I am blessed.

  • ymac16
    ymac16 Member Posts: 138
    edited November 2012

    So ladies, I am 3 days out from my DIEP surgery and I want some advice on what I should have stocked up on to prepare for when I get home.  I've been a whirlwind of activity since this last weekend just trying to get my household in order before I'm laid up for some time (my daughter thinks I've gone crazy!).  I've purchased some button front night shirts, zip/button front shirts/sweatshirt and low riding sweat pants.  I recall reading that I need to get some Colace.  Anything else??

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