Starting Chemo October 2012
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Celineflower-don't panic! It seems the hair thing varies greatly. I have no idea when your chemo started, what you are getting, or how often so its hard to say. I am on round 2 and 4 weeks from day 1. I still have plenty of stubble and wonder if it will all go. My MO said it would all go without question bit who knows. So depending where you are in treatment can explain it. Mine has been falling pretty steady now for the last week but tenderness is gone once again. Hang in there.
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thx ladies!
my hair is holding on strong lol
i am on day 15 of round two of my first cycle AC..round three is the 7th..
it should have fallen out day 15 of round 1...
a little voice inside me is also saying ..."gooooo hair!!" lol
poke..enjoy your night out!
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Celine- maybe you won't lose your hair??? Dare to dream it. You could fall into that 1% right? If you do, that would be wonderful...I'll be so jealous, but it would still be so wonderful that someone could do it!
I will ask my onc about the 4 vs 6 treatments, but was just looking online and read on two different sites that they have found that with people from 0 to 3 nodes affected that they have found there is not a big difference between 4 or 6 treatments when it comes to recurrence while there is a big difference in the SE's that are experienced. Of course the more you have the more SE's you have because it's accumulative. But I will ask. And I am starting to have the tingling in my toes from the taxotere. Ms. Tori I did read about your vitamin B that you said was good for that. Thanks for that information!
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Had a great Halloween --- did wear a nurse's costume with an anti viral face cover to protect me from the munchkins. Only down side is all sweet things taste like bleh. In fact, many things taste like bleh. Unfair that just as I feel up to eating, when I think I should be doing "rebuilding" of energies etc. food tastes like cardboard. Or chemicals.
Skin issues clearing up with the anti fungal cream. Radiation site peeling like a sunburn. Dermabond finally coming off of port surgical site. I guess it was Monday my port finally felt unobtrusive so... 12 days after surgery; if that helps others.
My head stubble hanging on as is most other areas (bikini shedding the worst and eyelashes next).
Bought a new electric razor for these areas but it won't hold a charge...arg. So now things looked a bit chewed upon due to partial shaving. Goes with overall "I've been in some weird industrial accident look these days" I guess.
Kids last night kept looking at me funny -- all eyes above my head, I forgot that the bald head would probably draw more Attention than the costume. Lol
Hoping for a day of gratitude for all our blessings and peace from SE's for everyone. -
mstori, I just wrote down B6 etc. from your earlier post but then realized you are doing Taxotere. Do Taxotere and Taxol both cause neuropathy? I did ask my chemo nurse on Monday about icing since liefie mentioned Victoria does it but she said that icing is to try to stop black nails when on Taxotere not Taxol. But Taxol can cause the neuropathy she says. So the question is: should I ask my MO about the B6, Glutamine, etc. for when I start Taxol?
Felt really horrible last night, could not sleep despite some Ativan so took my first Stemetil and it seemed to work and I slept 7 hours in a row!
marian
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Started taxotere and cytoxan on the 30th. I survived again! Never had the neulasta shots with the first dx in 1998. Ouchie! I'm taking the claritin and walk two miles daily, hoping to not gain 30 pounds like my first time. Anyone know of any holistic remedies! I don't like taking medicine! thanks!
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Celine, I started TC on Sep 28 and still have SOME stubble on my head. I have my 3rd treatment next Friday!! Granted I think my issue is that it was buzzed to the scalp so unless I wipe it off, it won't come out. I used a lint roller! Lol I, like you, fretted over losing it but I seriously have not shed one tear over it. I'm ready for the rest of the stubble to go so every few days I go after it with the sticky lint roller. It takes so much out that won't fall off. 😉
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lol "lucky" you! i use the roller and nothing comes off..
tho i still check every day... and i cant stop touching my head.. lol
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Hi Ladies,
Just back from my local "Look Good, Feel Better" class. What fun! Most of the stuff is extraneous - I don't wear much make up and that that I do, I'm sticking with. But - the eye make up is fun!
Mostly just enjoyed the session and the amazing kindness of the ACS, the companies that donate the products, and my local cancer center.
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Celine- the hair, it's a cycle with the chemo. You will always have a little grow in, then fall out. But if its not, that's great! I'm sure the chemo is working. Everyone is so different.
Poke- lol! I had two stitches poke all the way out and my PS grabbed and cut it. The others poke through a little but not enough to get hold of and one is just plain stubborn and poking but not breaking the skin surface. Humph!
Cait- Good! You got to enjoy Halloween. Yay!
Sonsom- also not just B6 but the acetyl L-Carnitine (1500mg; i divide it up with each meal time)and L-Glutamine (30g; I divide up in 10g three times a day in drinks).
Marian- I'm not sure.....there is an icing board/thread on here and I'm sure the ladies there may provide more insight. I use the icing to keep my nails from lifting or turning colors or an whacky stuff from taxotere. I take the supplements to ward off neuropathy. Glad you were able to get some sleep! :-)
Rainmaze- not heard of anything but the Claritan. I took the Zyrtec, and still had bone pain. I did here from a veteran that the initial injection is the worst because the bone marrow expansion is the greatest the first time, and it gets less painful with each shot.
301724- that's great! I'm scheduled to go next Tursday to LGFB. It will be post second chemo day 4 for me. I'm praying I feel good to go. Sounds like fun!
Well ladies....had my lab work drawn today and second chemo tomorrow. Leave early...it's a 2 hour drive to the center. For today, I'm pushing the fluids and staring my Magnesium Oxide to ward off any GI issues. First time trying that. I pray everyone has a awesome evening, and for those not feeling well, that you start to feel better. -
halfcan - well I am now falling behing you in treatment. I had my bloodwork today and WBC are too low. I feel surprised as I feel good and energized, obviously there is a huge disconnect with how I "feel" and my actual "health"...think I would have learned that lesson with the diagnosis! Anyways, they are exploring with drug plan whether it will be Neulasta or Neupogen and we will try again next Wednesday. Feeling once again let down by my body and just generally vulnerable
Marian - I inquired re. the port and my MO feels if my veins are okay she wants to continue with the IV in my hand. I'm okay with that for now and I'm crossing my fingers it will be okay. Thanks for the update re the differences in our diagnosis and hope you are feeling better with the stemetil.
My only good news today was the discussion regarding clinical trials to be on the list for something through my hospital and a likely referral to the Young Women's Breast Cancer study at another hospital - at a minimum it would be nice for my experience to help someone else down the road and indirectly, I like the thought of being possible made aware of advances / trials etc. to prevent this from re-occuring. That and I ordered some buffs
(thanks for the link for that ladies!).
Was expecting to be down for the count on the weekend but as I have it back, will look to enjoy it - hope everyone has some good moments of their weekend to enjoy as well.....
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The reason why the juglar vein is used is because the vein is large and superficial, easily visualized with ultrasound. It runs a straight course towards the right atrium. This vein has the lowest risk of complication associated with insertion and subsequent usage. The left internal jugular vein is the second best.
I had a great Halloween, I ran into 3 breast cancer surivivors. I never knew anyone with breast cancer before me, now that I am a survivor it seems like I have spoken with at least 20 survivors since my diagnosis in July. My family and I were sitting in the corner of a church trunk or treat and a lady 20 feet away made eye contact with me and mouthed "I like your hat" (I had a bc hat on). She then mouthed "I'm a 3 year survivor". I have to say I got a little emotional. I can't believe I am a member of the breast cancer surivor club, I did not choose to be here, but I know I will always have a common bond with all bc survivors.
On a lighter note, my stubble is still intact 17 days post 1st chemo
. I've been patting dry after showering. However my bikini area is pretty my gone, fine by me!!
Got a little sinus cold going on, so had to call the MO. No fever so that's a plus. Found out that my MUGA scan was normal (63%).
Have to go for round #2 next Thursday. I have my medicine arsenal ready to go. I feel that I'm more prepared this time and am more aware of my body.
I started back to work last Friday part time and love being out of the house taking care of my patients!! My supervisor is working with me for a scedule that is benifical with my post chemo days. I have 8 days off before I return to work each round. I'm down to only part time now, but its still wonderful to be out of the house.
PS has me expanded to 600cc, so about 200cc more to go. Almost back to my pre mx size
Wish everyday I had my old ones back. I seen a pic of me and my son the day we got our braces on (the same day I found out about my abnormal mammogram) and started crying!! I had such long beautiful hair and nice big boobs
. I hate what breast cancer has done to my body, it sucks!!!
Well sisters, I hope all is well with everyone. Good luck this week with your chemo rounds and SE. Stay strong and positive, get plenty of rest and drink LOTS of water. God Bless!!
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momto5, my port went into left jugular due to right side BC and modified radical coming up later.
I went to LGFB too today and it was great. My daughter got to sit in and help me too. I also got to be the wig model and have to rethink what I thought about not going that route. It was explained that is will be about a year POST chemo before we have real hair again and that gave me pause to think about a wig even though I have lots of head coverings and more Buffs to come! If any Canadians missed the Buff link for Canada let me know.
Considering I had A/C Tuesday afternoon and went to the session and a mellow yoga class I have to say that #2 is better so far but not out of the woods yet! Am in bed now.
Marian
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Sonson, my onc. told me from the get go it would only be 4 rounds of taxotere and cytoxan. my oncotype score was 21 but I had one micro met sentinel node and grade 3 so I decided to go with chemo to be sure. I have seen lots of ladies on here with 4 rounds. If it were me, I would ask why and what the options are. But then, I go in and ask him all kinds of stuff about supplements and why the neulasta shot etc etc. He just smiles and explains everything. Be positive, it is probably a good thing that he is seeing in your bloodwork etc.
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thank you momto5
its good to understand it more...
im not very fond of it... feels/looks like a "cancer branding"... will be very excited to get it out
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Good Morning!
Sonson- I would want to know why as well. Like Tori said--you don't want to look back later and wonder.I know you want to be done (I sure do!), but you also want it done right and to get the maximum benefit you can while you're at this point in treatment.
Good luck with deciding whether to ask or not.
Celine- I totally understand! My doc told me I would lose my hair at day 15...not a day before or a day after (his exact words), so I buzzed my hair at day 9 in anticipation of my scalp getting sore.Well....day 21/22 it finally started coming out. I could have had hair another week or so! Even now it is patchy. I've lost hair in the back and on the sides with some small "holes" on the top. Kind of the opposite of male pattern baldness. LOL I don't know whether to hope yours starts falling out or not haha....it's a strange thing to say to someone! LOL I do know that my head did get very sore (like most mention), and it felt like pins and needles when I brushed my head on anything or with my hats. I ended up just shaving it (VERY carefully--would not recommend this to anyone b/c of the rish of infection). Once it was really short, the poky feeling eased off.
Poke- Sorry I misunderstood about the stitch. I saw the BS yesterday and she said that it was a perlene (sp?) stitch, that it was at the end of my insicion, and it wasn't meant to dissolve. She said that it has to have a longer "tail" on it so to speak so the knot doesn't undo (I imagine like fishing line). If it does undo, my port could twist and get tangled. She said I could massage it gently to see if the tail will lay back down and stop poking me. So far this seems to help. I wonder if yours is the same? I don't know if they use them with most incisions or not?? I think she said they were used to anchor--not sure if she meant anchor my port or to anchor the ends of an incision. I hope yours behaves!
My BS was very happy with my chemo results. I know most of you (if not all) have had surgery first. She mentioned that she felt patients like me (with chemo before surgery) really had an advantage in the regards of being able to physically feel what the chemo is doing, and have the satisaction of feeling the cancer die. I think she's completely correct! For those that wonder if chemo is working or not....I can tell you that other than my tumor area feelig a little more dense....there is no way I would ever guess that there was a super hard 4 cm tumor there, and my lymph node that was 2.5cm is completely soft as well! Of course my biggest fear is that one rogue cell that wanders off and starts a new home....but it is truly amazing the difference in my tumor. I laughed b/c she asked if she could examine Fred & I was like, "please do!"....I was so excited for that breast exam...I couldn;t get my bra down fast enough!! LOL Kind of like showing off after weight loss! hahahaha I am so excited about it and grateful...it keeps me going through all the crappy exhaustion and side effects! I just wanted to share that so you are all aware that this IS working and the side effects and misery are worth it. I definitely understand that we resent treatment b/c most of us didn't feel or look "sick" until we started to treat this nasty disease. Just think that if we feel this bad.....imagine how that tumor is feeling.
Keep moving forward in kicking cancers a**!! Fred is dropping dead!! LOL
I hope everyone is feeling well today!! ~Andrea
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thanks alcb ... i know that excact feeling!! re excited to have the breast exam...
love your energy... thx for sharing your spirit
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Wow Andrea thanks for that perspective I really needed that. Because you are so right I had surgery first to remove the tumor and felt so healthy before starting chemo and now on chemo I don't feel so healthy anymore and I wonder why am I doing this? So you made me feel so much better for doing all of this. Thank you so much. You've no idea how much better that makes me feel. I just want to hug you right now!
Thanks schoolmom I will be brave and I will ask why four instead of six. And if he changes his mind then he changes his mind...and if he sticks with the four then I will feel like the luckiest person alive! I hope everyone has a wonderful healthy weekend.
Oh, and I've gotten lots of compliments on these little scarves that have elastic in them so you don't have to learn how to tie them since I'm a complete idiot when it comes to that sort of thing anyway...thought I might mention it. It's called doubleheader.com just go to head coverings and pretied bandanas for some really cute head coverings.
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Also, wanted to mention Andrea that the rogue cell is getting blasted with the chemo too so it doesn't stand a chance either! That's what I was thinking when I was feeling so wonderful about what you said about your tumor being smaller. Then I read your post again and well that rogue cell is what I worry about since they got my tumor...and so I was thinking why should she worry since she knows it's working? I guess we all worry so I just wanted to reassure you like you did me. That rogue cell that made it to your lymph nodes doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell in surviving...if there was one that got loose it was smaller than Fred! Keep that in mind.
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*celine smiles*
i love reading this thread..
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I am off to the hospital for my port....wish me luck! I am going twilight rather than general.....
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Good luck schoolmom! You will do great. :-)
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Good luck schoolmom! Everything will be fine & that port will work like a charm!
Sonson -thanks for the positive thoughts on that rogue cell!
I was thinking that also....but of course we do all worry and think it would just be our luck that one little cell would be overlooked! LOL I am so positive (and I hope others are as well) that this stuff just kicks the crap out of those cells! I looked up that website for the headcoverings and they have CUTE stuff!! Good referral!! I ordered one that is grey with beaded flowers on it! Free shipping too! I found it under doubleheaderusa.com though. When I looked up doubleheader.com it was a baseball site LOL. They have cute things that are more appropriate for younger people. The worst is trying to find a scarf/headcovering that doesn't look like it belongs to a 90 yr old woman! I sent feedback to the company (and got 2 magazine subscriptions for $2 a piece yay!) that I appreciated their trendier (is that even a word?) selection.
I saw my MO today, and he is pleased with my progress as well! Strange though...I think he's a bit sad/irritated (not sure which) that I'm wanting a bilat. mastectomy. I know that as a physician, they try and preserve as much of your natural state as possible, but I was very up front about my surgery choice from the beginning. My surgeon (a female) gets it (I told her they're just boobs--not worth saving b/c right now they're the enemy! LOL), but he seems disappointed that I'm wanting this. Odd. I tried to explain that some women go through a lumpectomy to just have to go back and have more surgery and ultimately have a mastectomy anyway. (I say only that "some" do this--and this is my personal thought for myself--certainly not to take anything away from those who have chosen a breast sparing surgery!!! I don't mean to offend or scare anyone!!) I have just had SO many other surgeries, and feel so picked apart...I just want to give myself every chance that this is the only one I have for BC!
I feel so strong about this that I'm awaiting my BRCA testing so I know whether to have my ovaries removed at the same time as my mastectomy. I know it'll be two surgeries anyway (once the final implants are placed)....but I want to stay off that table as much as possible! My last surgery for my back was huge-8hrs. I woke up on the vent and it was beyond aweful. I would say that it was 10 times worse than hearing that I have cancer. I guess I'm just paranoid about that happening again. (sends shivers down my spine) Oh, and he confirmed that I have to do Tamoxifen for 5 yrs. I thought he said after my herceptin...but maybe I heard him wrong?? Also-he confirmed that I am stage IIa--but it's odd.....they staged me based on my biopsy which is really not accurate. They only sampled one node. He said that when they do my surgery they may not be able to tell what nodes had cancer in them (bc I'm responding so well)....not sure how they can consider this accurate & does that really help me in determining my recurrence rate? Hmmmm Oh and he's pushing through w/taxotere despite my neuropathy. He feels I'm responding so well the benefit outweighs the risk. He may consider abraxane (same as you Poke)...but he said he hasn't used it in a long time and he wants to look into it more. I forgot to ask about the supplements (amazing how your brain goes when you're sitting in front of a Dr!). I will ask at tx this week.
Well ladies! Have a wonderful weekend! I will enjoy the warmer weather and sunshine here in TN. I'll be sick as a dog next weekend so I will appreciate this one! Hope everyone is feeling well! ~Andea
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Hi noranelly here, Had my first chemo on 31st oct and it was weird as I went into a room where everyone looked delighted to be there an d the atmosphere was very casual and happy. I had a melt down as they had asked my mum and hubby to wait outside for a short time. I wanted to run away all the bleeping machines and everyone so happy I was so scared and confused, however they got my mum and hubby in and we managed to find a vein eventually and I completed my first treatment. Since then I have been Ok better than I thought however u wouldn't, believe it ended up straight back at hospital with 15 month old daughter as whilst having chemo she developed a temperature of 40 + and was throwing up! We nearly spent the night in the children's ward however the doctors got her temperature down with medication then she picked up tremendously she is better today 2nd November. Woah life is throwing a lot at us at the moment. Anyway good luck and hugs to everyone else starting or goin thro chemo. I am starting fec then herceptin haven't had a port recommend yet. Love noranelly
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So glad to hear your first chemo went well, Noranelly. And how weird/scary with your daughter!
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Schoolmom- prayers your way. I love my port. I nicknamed portebella. A friend on another thread came up with name.
Noranelly- so good that you got through first treatment. Sorry to hear about your daughter. Will keep her in prayer.
I'm trying to catch up. Had my second treatment today. Frozen for first hour and half! Chewed on even more ice today than last time. Yay! And after icing, the nurses gave me a blanket from the warmer. And got to relax the rest of tx. Plus I got spoiled and got an extra 400ml Normal saline and told me they would give me an extra liter with treatment next time. I started mag ox yesterday, took today and will take tomorrow and see how GI tact will respond.
Hope everyone has Great evening and praying with no SE. -
Board a little quiet this morning. Praying everyone is doing good. Hugs to everyone.
Noranelly- pray you and your daughter are well. We are here if you need us. Hugs coming your way.
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MsTori - So glad to hear your second treatment went well. I used the warm blankets even while I was icing! Hope you have minimal SEs and to all - hoping for a good day.
Reading this AM about two projects related to gratitude - 30 days of gratitude and gratitude in November. There's actually a scientific literature that links gratitude to health and well being. In the midst of all we're all going through, sometimes it's harder to find things for which to be grateful. I'm grateful for all of you. You make my journey easier, knowing that you're there for me. Thank you!
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It's really great to read everyone's post. It definetely helps me feel like I'm not alone. My head is pretty much bald now, but I've bought a nice selection of hats. I had a costume wig made, but it squeezes my head! I end up just wearing the hats because supposively my family tells me I have "the perfect head". Sure. I had my second round of chemo Thursday, and am feeling a little tired but still pushing through. Does anyone else find that they've become really stubborn? I always refuse to let people do things for me because I don't want to fall into not doing them myself. Like going to the market, running errands etc. my family tells me I'm stubborn but I don't want to lose my normal life to cancer!
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I had my port in yesterday and all went well. Taking Ibuprofen....its a little sore. I was surprised how much it pokes out....It is all under the skin with about an inch incision. So I need to ask for numbing spray....I will have ice with me, should I just put one of those cold gel bags on it before we start? Monday is the big day.
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