Did you lose bone density on Arimidex or another AI?
I know this has been discussed here and elsewhere, but I just got the results of my latest DEXA bone density scan.
I've been on Arimidex/anastrozole non-stop for almost 4-1/2 years -- since June '08, after completing 4 rounds of Taxotere/Cytoxan. My med onco ordered a baseline DEXA scan back then that showed mild osteopenia in my lumbar vertebrae but normal T-score for hip/femur area. Another DEXA was done 2 years later, and the results were the same. This past week I had another one (they're done at 2-year intervals at my cancer center), and it showed the same thing yet again. There has been no change in bone density at either site since I started on Arimidex.
My osteo doc was really happy about the results, because it meant she didn't have to prescribe a bisphosphonate. She said things are so stable that she doesn't need to see me until 2014. My med onco will be thrilled when we meet for my onco recheck next April. (She's hesitant about bisphosphonates, too.)
Anyway, I wanted to post the news because I know how worried most of us are about bone loss on the AI's. I nearly gave myself an ulcer leading up to my appointment last week. (At least I got lots of calcium from chewing all those Rolaids!)
otter
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Thanks so much for posting this. I have my first DEXA scan next week (just started Arimidex).
Glad you have done so well. Good news!
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I had baseline DEXA in April, then started femara. Baseline showed 84% density on spine and 110% in hip/femur. Six months of femara and another DEXA later, the spine is 83% and the hip 99%, which means I lost a lot of bone from the hip, although the spine seems to be holding more or less steady.
My surgeon thinks it will stabilize and doesn't think it is cause for concern (although I wonder why the heck I had osteopenia of the spine at 49 and before starting an AI). My onc thinks I should start taking prolia. The prolia scares me, so I asked for a another six months without.
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otter, that's great news! Thanks for sharing and congrats. Sounds like all your extra effort paid off.
FWIW, I have a friend who is a 12+ yr BC survivor and she saw about a 4% rate of bone loss the first year on an AI. She wasn't worried at all when she started the drug (had good bones and good family history) so I think she didn't do anything special to mitigate possible bone loss. So I wonder (hope!) that perhaps this is one thing that could be under our control. Otter, maybe you can share all your tricks (or write a book!

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Hi All,
I just had my second DEXA scan. The first was two years ago when I was dxd. My onc just emailed me and stated that I have mild bone loss but she is waiting for more information. I have no idea what my scores are or what information she could be waiting for, but my mind gets scared when I hear things like that. I don't want to take bisphosphonates. My next appointment with her is in November. I hate waiting that long for answers. She will mail me a copy of the report, but I don't know if I will be able to interpret it correctly and I don't have a copy of the previous one from two years ago. UGH!
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I've had bone loss while atking aromasin and arimidex. However, my bone density is still in the normal range - it was just a lot better before the AIs.
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I'm taking Arimidex. I will be anxious to see what my onc has to say when she gets whatever information she is waiting for.
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My Dr. has me get the bone density test at the same place every time. He says that different machines and labs will have a different results. If you didn't have your scan at the same facility that might be the difference.
Agreed. My bone endocrinologist said to get it on the *exact same machine.* (some facilities have more than one machine). The serial number is on the printout.
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Yes - after 2 years on Femara, I became osteopenic and required 6 infusions of Zometa over the next 3 years. I switched oncologists and he still wants me to stay on Femara for at least 7 years. So far 5 1/2 years on Femara........ Yes, I take lots of supplements too and try to keep my Vitamin D level between 50-60 range. Regular exercise and weight bearing as I live on a farm and do lots of daily heavy lifting.
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I had osteoporosis way before my DX, but my onco has never ordered any bone density test for me. I have no comparisons from the one long ago. I'm on Femara and I'm sure that it's affected my bones. I can feel the aches. Hopefully that will disappear when I go off of the AI's next May.I never quite understood why this testing was not a priority for my Dr. I didn't push it because my insurance won't cover anything that has to do with Osteo....It was a preexisting condition when I got this insurance so they poo-pooed it.
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I too was osteopenic prior to my BC dx. I happened to have a bone density scan on the same day as the mammo/ultrasound that led to dx. I had remained stable for a number of years - tried Boniva and Actonel but could not tolerate either due to previous gastro surgery in '95. Had another scan after completing chemo and 6 months of Femara and it showed loss so my onc wanted to give me Prolia. I have now had two injections (6 months apart) and have had no issues with them. I am told it can take a couple of years to show any improvement, but that the Prolia may be keeping the situation from worsening further. Prolia is not a bisphosphanate, it is a monoclonal antibody. Here is a link with some info, if any are interested:
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artsee, sometimes we have to be our own advocate. I had to request a scan prior to any BC Tx; my doc ordered it based on my request. Since AIs can deplete bones even in patients without prior bone issues, it seems like the insurance should cover your scans every 2 yrs, regardless of your pre-existing bone Dx. The DEXA scans cost about $300, so maybe they won't fight it, or maybe it's worth paying out-of-pocket. (I know it's not free but it's cheaper than many medical Tx (like my $5000 B-MRI) or even some work done by the dentist!

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So I have been diagnosed with osteopenia, but my vitamin D level is excellent and I take calcium and eat dairy products. I also get weight bearing exercise, have never smoked or drank alcohol. It drives me crazy! I don't want to take more medication. I am 52 years old. Just having a GRRRR moment and needed to vent.
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Very normal before AI, massive loss but still technically within the normal range during first year on AI. Taking calcium (with mixed feelings), Vit D is good, I do exercise.
Edited to add: I've got a family history of osteoporosis, and the AI came just on the heels of chemopause.
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OK Peggy, hears the deal. When I bought my insurance it was after breast cancer. They saw that I had been taking (every) drug for the disease. So they put a clause in my policy that they will not cover anything to do with bones. Even if I pay for a bone density test out of pocket, the results would indicate that I need to be put on drugs. I could not tolerate any of them because they made me deathly ill. I took 4 of them with Boniva being the last. So I guess there's no point for me to have another test. My vitamin D levels are perfect and I take calcium. I try to do it the natural way as my liver is also very sensitive to any meds. The enzyme levels were high again last week after my 6 month check up. All I did was add a supplement since my last test. It's like I don't want to put anything in this body. Anyway I have 1 1/2 years till Medicare so I'm hoping my 800 a month will go down (a lot)

Jo...my mom has it too so It was no wonder I ended up with it. She only had one break in her life though and no curviture of the spine, thank goodness.
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I have no family history of osteoporosis, but since I had not gone through menopause prior to BC, I'm wondering if that's why my bone loss was more dramatic than someone who had already gone through menopause. Who knows. I'm doing everything I can except taking more pills. Jo I too have huge pill sorters for all the stuff I take. I feel your pain. Thanks for the prayers. They are greatly appreciated.
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jo-5 - exactly my situation, total hyst/ooph at 45 (11 years ago) which accelerated the osteopenia. Then chemo and an AI. Your daughter should have had a bone density baseline at the time of the hyst.
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Based on my limited experience, many docs aren't thinking too much about our bones. I think we have to take the lead.
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Yes you would think that would be a no-brainer. We truly do have to be our own health advocates.
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Hello. I have had bone loss while on Arimidex but who can say whether it's the drug or age or genetics? Had normal bone density at 52 just prior to dx. Started Arimidex and 2 years later was osteopenic. Now two years later have osteoporosis. I had been pretty good about taking calcium and Vit D, but not great. I did exercise regularly. Now I am faithfully tracking my calcium and Vit D intake and still exercising.
My MO recommended once a year Reclast (I already have GI issues) and although I was hesitant, I had the first infusion back in August. MO thinks I'll probably only need it one more time as he plans to take me off Arimidex after 5 years (1 year to go!). So now I'm taking Nexium (never took it before the AI) and Reclast (most likely because of the AI and the GI issues the AI caused).
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My Scan in April of 2010 showed osteopenia 2 months after I started Arimidex ( must have already had that prior just was never told) Now bone density in July of 2012 showed osteoporosis. So it makes me wonder, I am now taking the shot every 6 months just started that in October.
Nancy
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Thank you for posting your good results. I jumped on this discussion board after going on Arimidex + Faslodex. My bone density has been in the normal range and I know the dangers of bisphosophonates so I want to avoid taking them. I'm encouraged by the posts of women have maintained good bone health with exercise, food intake, calcium and Vit D.
I am horrible at eating all the nutritious food I need to eat (I make myself eat blueberries and yogurt each morning and take no joy in it. Wish I could!) so I need to supplement because I want to make sure my heart and bones stay healthy too!
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My mother was on Arimidex for five years and, although it didn't affect her bone density, it did cause significant damage to some of her larger joints; in particular, her hip joints. The progessing pain in her hip/thigh led her to request a bone scan, which came back negative for cancer, but clearly showed the drastic degeneration of her hip joint. When she questioned her oncologist closely - my mother is a retired nurse - the oncologist admitted that Arimidex was the culprit.
My mother, now, needs a hip replacement, but she is considering pain management options first as she really - at 82 years of age - can't face another surgery quite so soon after all the surgeries she's had in the last ten years (i.e., perforated appendix, mastectomy, hernia, etc.)
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Hi, Otter - just saw this on the active list.
Must be all the abalone we eat
- I was fine after 5 years on Arimidex. No change in bone density, base line test b4 starting, then every 2 years, slight improvement!!!And the calcium in Rolaids, according to my doc, is not good for us, quote;" You could chew on the white stuff they use to mark football fields & get as much value" but agree the good calcium/magnesium I still take, and getting my Vitamin D up from 17 to 63 blood test, and free weights, weight bearing exercise, and prunes ( yes, seriously!) all make a difference. BUT, the most important factor - genetics. If your mom has/had "good bones" that's the best predictor, according to my docs.
Held all the joint pain at bay with monthly acupuncture and monthly massage. Good luck to all.
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