preventing Lymphedema....any and all advice welcome!

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ConnieGreene
ConnieGreene Member Posts: 348
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

I found out today that part of my BMX will be an axilla node dissection - they are not doing the sentinel biopsy as a biopsied axilla node came up positive.

Is there anyway to prevent this Lymphedema from happening????

Surgery is Tuesday and I'm trying to get as much info as I can before hand

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  • Stilts
    Stilts Member Posts: 246
    edited October 2012

    I have been working with a trainer who is certified in a program to prevent LE...I use weights religiously at the gym (started at only 3 pounds/now up to 10)...no signs of LE yet...I always use the LE sleeves when I fly, too.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited October 2012

    Hi, Connie, and welcome! Sorry for the reason you're here, but glad you found us.

    A trainer certified in a program to prevent LE would be very hard to find. Exercise is a double-edged sword. Using your muscles helps to pump lymph fluid, but it also increases the amount of fluid that's present to be pumped. So that's something you'll want to start very slowly, and with expert supervision.

    More important is to know that there's a brief period of time following surgery when severed lymph vessels may be able to repair themselves. You can help them by not lifting your arms above shoulder level for the first 10 days after surgery.

    Beyond that, here are some risk reduction suggestions:
    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/riskreduction_for_lymphedema.htm

    Best bet is to get a referral from any doctor on your team for an early evaluation by a well-trained lymphedema therapist. S/he can take baseline measurements for future reference, give you personalized risk reduction tips (including exercise guidance), teach you a gentle self-massage to help move lymph fluid, and possibly fit you for a compression sleeve and glove or gauntlet to wear when traveling or exercising. Here's how to find one near you:
    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Finding_a_Qualified_Lymphedema_Therapist.htm

    Looking forward with you to smooth sailing next Tuesday, and no "swell" days ever!
    Gentle hugs,
    Binney

  • ConnieGreene
    ConnieGreene Member Posts: 348
    edited October 2012

    thank you SO much Binney!!!!! I bookmarked those pages.....

  • SAR843
    SAR843 Member Posts: 65
    edited October 2012

    I'm so worried about Lymphedema and it's on my mind constantly. My surgeon ended up having to take out the entire axilla area, so I'm very high risk. I'm starting radiation this Wed and my dr said that will increase my risk for it. I'm trying to be careful, not lying on that side, sleeping with a pillow under that arm, not lifting anything heavy, etc. but I'm still worried. One of my drs said if I don't have it by now (my surgery was 7 weeks ago) then I prob shouldn't worry, but from everything I've been reading, it can come on at any time. I was very active before my treatment and have been wanting to get back to working out (especially to lose the 50 lbs the steroids from chemo made me gain), but I'm so nervous I'm going to do something wrong. Sigh.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited October 2012

    SAR, I hear you, and I'm so sorry about the weight of this worry.Frown How about getting any doctor on your team to write a referral for an evaluation by a well-trained lymphedema therapist? S/he will do baseline arm measurements for future reference, give you personalized risk reduction tips, show you a simple, gentle lymph massage you can use prophylactically, and possibly fit you for a compression sleeve and gauntlet you can wear for exercise and travel--and even more importantly right now, you can (with your doctor's approval) wear them during radiation. Here's how to find a qualified lymphedema therapist near you:
    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Finding_a_Qualified_Lymphedema_Therapist.htm

    And here are some risk-reduction strategies:
    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/riskreduction_for_lymphedema.htm

    I'd just like to reassure you that, since you're aware and on top of this, if you should develop lymphedema it will be caught early, which makes it much easier to manage on-going. Learning what you need to know to protect yourself, and getting prompt treatment as soon as you notice any symptoms, should help ease your mind and allow you to move forward toward healing as you complete your treatment. All good!Smile

    Be well!
    Binney

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited October 2012

    SAR, when you can turn worry into vigilence, you've done the best you can with a bad hand of LE cards. Binney is so right that catching it early gets you the best shot at keeping it under control, if you do develop LE. 

    If you have any energy for what might be an uncomfortable discussion with the doctor who thinks you're at risk for only a few weeks, also on stepup-speakout you'll find a page written by a doctor who has LE, for other healthcare providers, all about what LE patients need their doctors and nurses to know about LE.  Here's the link: http://www.stepup-speakout.org/essential%20informat%20for%20healthcare%20providers.htm 

    You may not feel like engaging in that discussion with the doctor now, but maybe at some point you can, because it's a very irresponsible thing to say to a patient.

    Rest up--you're still recovering from a very ambitious surgery --and when you are ready, start small with your exercise.  Several of us began post-surgery with Leslie Sansone DVDs, which are walk-at-home programs that require very little floor space.  Do you know about them?  They have arm work but you can skip that part for a while and just focus on the steps, to get back into some movement.  There is also a good bit of knee lifts and leg lifts, which might be challenging after your recon, but again, you can modify easily to ignore or minimize those movements, and then gradually, as you get stronger,  add them in in small doses.  For now, maybe just walking, slowly, a little each day just to know that you are working toward your goal to return to fitness? 

    Oh, and then there's this: keep in mind that there's no certainty you'll get LE, despite the risks. My mother had the old fashioned radical mx in 1968, and she lost every single node in her axilla. Then she had radiation, in doses I don't think are given these days.  She is still with us, and she has never had any LE, not even the tiniest discomfort or swelling.  So please, be vigilent, but try not to let your worry get in the way of a strong recovery and at the right time, a return to physical activity.  I'm rootin' for you!

    Carol

  • SAR843
    SAR843 Member Posts: 65
    edited October 2012

    Thanks so much, Binney and Carol, for the advice, links, etc. I'm going to talk to my dr about seeing a specialist who can help me with movement, massage, etc. I've been trying to walk when I can, even if it's just putting on my ipod and walking around my room. I think I've just reached the point where I'm over all of this treatment stuff. I've had a bunch of setbacks and thought I'd be done by now. Thanks again! I'll keep you posted. :)

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