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  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited October 2012

    Funny that you liked the ultrasound. I used to get ultrasound on my very bad back as a kid/teen. I absolutely hated every minute of it. It felt like pinching and tiny spasms way inside my body. To me it feels painful.

  • NativeMainer
    NativeMainer Member Posts: 10,462
    edited October 2012

    Juliet--I didn't feel the quake at all.  Didn't know a thing about it until I saw it online this am.  I was home and sitting at the computer, too.  No TV on or anything.  But that may explain why Sadie was acting so oddly about then. . .

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited October 2012

    That wasn`t the kind I got!! I thought mine was bull-oney!!

    I read the Hobbit in grade 8 and tried to get my older brother to read it and he said he wouldn`t read a baby book and then he BECAME a hobbit!! heheehhehehe 

    My DD informed me last night that they are going to do genetic testing on her. I don`t really want this and don`t think she does either, but is doing it as she trusts her new doc. IF she is ++ then she will have to make some tough decisions!! about her breasts and her ovaries. She has had the only child she wants, but I can`t imagine going through menopause in my 30`s!!!! I told her I want to be there when they give her the results. She didn`t get the importance of it, so I`m not sure if I`ll be there.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited October 2012

    Valjean, that was hilarious!!! Read your post over and it sounds like the 3 Tenors - Placido, Pavarotti and `that other guy`.

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited October 2012

    Barbe,  When I had ultrasound for therapy on my back, it was the same hand held kind just like the breast one, and used the gel judt the same.  I don't know if the frequency was different or if they just used it for a longer length of time (like 10 min.) but the result was like that of a sports creme only it seemed to penetrate deeper into the muscles and last longer than a topical creme.  Never heard of the big round tube method?????

    Beckers,  How's your mom doing?  Also, any hot flashes yet?

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited October 2012

    I sat on a guerney with this big metal high tube to my shoulders and they plugged it in and told me it was ultrasounds or some kind of sounds. What a crock of....butter!!!

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited October 2012

    Silly me!  Sometimes I don't see that there is a whole other page I need to advance to.

    Thanks for fielding the Lord Of The Rings question, Val.  Sounds like you had a great time "up North."  I know you'll do fine on Thurs., but all you have to do is put on some garb with giant pockets, and we'll all tag along.

    Barbe,  Even if you never read the LOTR books, you couldn't have missed the three films (or should I say promotion of the three films.)  Didn't those elf ears tip you off?  They all lived in Middle Earth with the Hobbits.  Are you saying your brother got hairy..on the feet?  :-)

    Momine,  I'm with Eph.  I found the U/S very relaxing.  I'd have a home unit if I could.  Sound farfetched?  That's what our moms said about microwaves.

    Earthquakes are so scary and fun (the kind that don't break things and kill people, I mean.)  Surprised  You were so close, Dianarose!  Did it cause damage?  I didn't even see news about it.  All the news is about two guys talking.  Foot in Mouth

  • justmejanis
    justmejanis Member Posts: 1,847
    edited October 2012

    Eli I am headed to PT in a couple of hours.  I will let you know what specific exercises they are doing.  I have never heard BC patients should not receive ultrasound treatments.  It felt very relaxing to me after all the work with weights.  My left shoulder is still pretty sore, but that is to be expected.  I will keep you updated.  I'll see if they do anything different today.  The massage was wonderful.

  • Beckers
    Beckers Member Posts: 1,883
    edited October 2012

    Good morning,



    On the topic of ultrasound, I know it's contraindicated if there may be cancer. Just make sure the therapist has read the chart good.



    Mom is taking it easy. A bit of a fiasco with trying to schedule the stress test. I rattled the primary doc's cage with my "How did you miss 9 days of Afib!!!!" email. She kind of responded like they did on the presidential debate, leaving me wondering, "What did she just say for sure?" I have appointments next Mon-Wed so hoping someone gets it straight soon.



    I got a call from grand baby mamma this morning saying Annie misses me. (maybe mamma is tired). I wish life were a little more normal. I miss a good slumber party! She is almost 3 and so much fun!!



    El - you know the hot flashes have picked up for sure!!! I had hysterectomy/ooph in 08 and finally broke down and went on HRT because of the damn hot flashes. I am definitely feeling them more frequently and with a certain level of nausea. Can't wait for cooler temps here! I'm living with my older sister and she's yet to go through menopause so we are having air conditioner wars. I'm trying to pray her into it!!! Anything I could slip in her food? Doctor did recommend she go on tamoxifen too..... Ha!

  • cmbear
    cmbear Member Posts: 1,086
    edited October 2012

    My DH had ultrasound on his knee after his surgery and thought it helped immensely. Guess it works for some and not others just like every other tx. Janis, sure hope you feel better after your icky moment after the massage. Sometimes you just need that a push to get past an obstacle in healing.

    Earthquake! Oh MY! At least with my hurricanes, I know they are coming! Cool

    Yeah Eli, this getting older crap is just that. Crap. Don't know what to blame the creaky, achy joints on. More I move the more I harder it is. And then somedays I feel 30. But as has been said before, beats the alternative!

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited October 2012

    Claire, everyone that got a real ultrasound treatment loved it! I`d buy one for home if it came out, but guess we can`t now due to our history...sigh. All the good toys get taken away!!!

    Beckers, tell me you`re not still on hormone therapy!! You`re ER++ and that`s a no-no! Glad you blasted the doc, shame on her!!

    I don`t go to movies because of being deaf. At home at least I can turn up the volume and go back if I miss something. Now we just have the CC on all the time. Also, people talk and wrinkle candy wrappers and are just so rude. And here`s me straining to hear! The last movie I saw was Titanic and the staff of the theatre stood at the back doors with them open to the light and chatted while the movie ended!! I complained to management and he said what do you want me to do? I said keep your staff from standing in an open doorway and chatting after we`ve sat through a 3 hour movie and wanted to enjoy the end!! He offered me 6 movie passes (we had taken the kids) but I said I didn`t want them - but my son was smart enough to grab them.

  • Beckers
    Beckers Member Posts: 1,883
    edited October 2012

    I'm not still on HRT Barbe. That was one of the firsts to go.

  • Valjean
    Valjean Member Posts: 1,898
    edited October 2012

    Okay, call me crazy, but the name of the other LOTR gal above is Miranda Otto. And Cate Blanchett's first name begins with a C, not a K as I said.



    I'm one for correcting things, especially when I made the error.



    So, there! My correction.

  • Dianarose
    Dianarose Member Posts: 2,407
    edited October 2012

    I haven't heard of much damage from the quake, but it sure shook us up. It was so loud aside from the house shaking. They are now inspecting all of the bridges to make sure they are safe. We are more interested in who is on the client list from the prostitute scandal going on here. A partial list has come out, but I didn't know anyone on it. I am spending time with my daughter and granddaughters who are here until Saturday. I am having a blast with the 2 yr old. She is so funny.

    Starting my last regimen of chemo on Tuesday. Can't wait to be done with that and move on to rads and keep going forward.

  • Dianarose
    Dianarose Member Posts: 2,407
    edited October 2012

    http://www.wellnessresources.com/health/articles/i3c_and_dim_for_breast_prostate_cancer_prevention/

    I wanted to research alternatives to hormonals and came across this article. I have forwarded it to my MO but would really appreciate other womens opinions on this topic. I think Doctors are too ready to prescribe things from the drug companies when there might be something else out there just as effective without all the side effects.

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited October 2012

    Dianarose,  Read up on them (DIM & I3C) more yourself.  You will see a lot are already convinced that they are great cancer fighters, but the studies have not been large or undeniably conclusive.  As much as I do not like the Tamox., it does have a long history and conclusive data of reducing recurrence.  I would not go with either of these alternatives as a replacement for Tamox., but the article did say that the best results were seen in the women who used BOTH Tamox. and one of the cruciferous supplements. 
    I don't know about taking the supplements, but I think it could do no harm to eat the cruciferous veggies several times a week, especially if you like them already.  It seemed that I was eating broc., cauliflower, b. sprouts in fair number weekly (but still got cancer,) so what happened there?   Maybe we don't know all the tricks to eating them without eating something else to cancel out the good effects, otherwise why would all the "good eaters" get B/C just the same?

    My real message is this:  If there is not harmful downside, I don't mind doing some of these "alternative" things, BUT I go into those situations with LOW EXPECTATIONS, and my usual high skepticism.



  • Beckers
    Beckers Member Posts: 1,883
    edited October 2012

    Dianarose, were you close to epicenter of quake? sounds like it. We heard about your scandal on Calif news station! Ha!

  • Cindyl
    Cindyl Member Posts: 1,194
    edited October 2012

    elimar-you said it.  My feelings are that a good diet (if only we knew for sure what that might be) and exercise can do no harm. But the hard scientific evidence is not there (yet) that would convince me that DIM could be a viable alternative to  conventional treatments.

    If conventional medicine has nothing to offer, then I'm all for trying the unconventional.  But. An acquaintance of mine lost her mother to grade 1 DCIS.  It took a lot of years, and involved a lot of refused treatments (starting with surgery) and ended up with desperation experimental treatments after all the "alternative" stuff had been tried.  Now I don't KNOW she would have been saved if she'd done as her doctors suggested, but I do no she lost her bet that the "natural" stuff would work for her.  So sad.





  • Dianarose
    Dianarose Member Posts: 2,407
    edited October 2012

    We have so much breast tissue in storage after a mastectomy that you would think they could take the tissue and test to see which kind of chemo is going to work along with the hormonals. I hate the fact that they treat us like a one size fits all t-shirt. I would have gladly given mine to see which chemo would have worked best.

    I live 10 miles from the epicenter of the quake. The worst part was the noise. I quess I never associated a quake with noise. It sounded like a bomb went off. I have been told that the reason is the quake was only 3 miles deep so it was the noise of the plates shifting.

    I have always eaten a healthy diet as well and still got this dam cancer. It just makes it more confusing.

    Going apple picking with my DD and grand kids today. I had some apples given to me and my daughter and I made and canned applesauce the other day. The whole house smelled so good.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited October 2012

    As you read that article, you can`t boil, steam or microwave the vegetables or the good part is gone. Raw is the way to go, but my horse has left the barn, so I`m not going to knock myself out trying to bring it back.

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited October 2012

    Comment from the woman Behind the Pink Curtain:

    1)  I DO like my Cheetos

    2)  I don't eat them as often as I say I do.  Let's say I tend to embellish the truth.

    3)  I actaully like veggies quite a bit.  Despite not being able to grow certain kinds in my yard due to Black Walnut interference (*), I have a bumper crop of arugula right now and am serving that daily. 

    I think I am just the average person, neither saint nor sinner, when it comes to my diet.  I eat the "good" but the "bad" is in there too.  So, IF my diet were any part of my getting B/C, I don't think it would be for LACK of eating something.  It's America.  We have a lot of food here.  It's not all cheeseburgers.  If cancer came from not getting certain things in the diet, wouldn't you see an upward trend in countries where food is in limited supply?  How do those countries get their DIM and I3C?  See what I mean?

    I think that I am average in the fact that I don't eat "all organic," and I am guilty of eating processed packaged foods.  More likely there is some nasty ubiquitous additive in those things that told my cells to grow in their crazy B/C way, but I don't even feel positive about that.  I know some of the additives/substances, FDA approved or not, had some carcinogenic properties in that holy ground of "The Lab" when consumed in high enough quantites.  For that reason, I do try not to eat 500 times my body weight of Cheetos. 

    (Hahaha.  I cracked myself up on that last statement.  Money Mouth)

    I know just enough about my B/C, to know that there is a lot that I don't know.  Just like Socrates (if he had been a B/C sister.)

    (*)  I've used the "footnote" device several times now.  It's habit forming.  Anyway, those stinking Black Walnuts secrete a chemical from their roots, and it also falls from the leafy canopy of the tree, that will wither other plants and stifle the competition for that growing space.  Forget growing tomatoes under the dripline of a Black Walnut tree.  For years, I thought I was just the crappiest tomato grower on the planet, but it was the walnuts!   Way to start the day with some agricultural trivia, eh?

  • Beckers
    Beckers Member Posts: 1,883
    edited October 2012

    Just yesterday my Mom was telling me about how awful Cheetos are for you and how some places are pulling them. (I think it's the fiery hot ones probably). She and my brother watch a lot of Dr. Oz.

  • Eph3_12
    Eph3_12 Member Posts: 4,781
    edited October 2012

    pulling cheetos????????????????????? say it isn't so

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited October 2012

    I read about that:

    Cheetos Banned

    It's the "dust."  Trust me on that.  Over 50% of all school lunch items are of questionable nutrition, (90% in the schools I went to back in the Mesozoic,) and the doughnuts in the teacher's lounge top the list of all-time worst junk foods ever, but by all means, lets get after the Cheetos.  Sheesh!  I'd say "more for me" but I don't like the Flaming Hot ones.

  • Cindyl
    Cindyl Member Posts: 1,194
    edited October 2012

    Oh but it's not just the dust. This article  talks about the fact that the red dye makes people think their is blood in their stool and kids are ending up in the ER because of it.  Odd stuff.  I don't like the hot ones either.

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited October 2012

    It's not the only red-dye food out there, and did you read that you have to eat A LOT for that to even be a consideration?   Something's shady here.  It's like a Cheetos witch hunt. no?  I think after an article or two came out, a parent could easily ask whether the kid had been scarfing the Cheetos or not.  Case closed.  I'm just going to wager that the group of kids who panicked when they saw a red-tinged stool is far smaller than the group that thought it was cool to have fake Cheetos "blood" in their dookie.

  • Beckers
    Beckers Member Posts: 1,883
    edited October 2012

    (Lol Eli! Cheeto dookie blood.) They are Cheeto haters. Little kids may make a mess possibly. My dtr in law even tried to switch Annie to the white cheddar ones. Those were not good!



    Ooooo just heard on news it's stomach flu season. Nolo (?sp) virus. Wash those hands frequently!!!! Cuts risk in 1/2.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited October 2012

    You guys are awful! ;) Surely nobody would seriously argue that kids should be able to buy cheetos in school?

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited October 2012

    My highschool lunch for 4 years was fries with gravy and a cream-filled donut and a small glass of cola. Hmmm....breast cancer formula?????

  • Dianarose
    Dianarose Member Posts: 2,407
    edited October 2012

    http://post.mainelymediallc.com/news/2012-10-19/Letters/Neighbors.html

    I am in the local paper. I noticed how bloated my face looks from the dam steroids. Dam BC has really aged me. Hopefully we will get more donations now.

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