Tallahassee Democrat wants to know about insurance issues

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Greetings -

I'm a reporter at the Tallahassee Democrat and I'm working on a story about struggles obtaining insurance coverage after receiving a cancer diagnosis.

I've talked to some folks who are changing jobs and whose diagnoses have led them to be denied health insurance coverage due to their cancer being classified as a pre-existing condition.

Has anyone tried obtaining coverage through the high-risk pool? What other issues have you all had getting insurance companies to pay for treatment - or even offer you coverage?

Thanks in advance to those who share their stories. You can also reach me privately at tpillow@tallahassee.com 

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  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited October 2012

    I'm glad this issue is getting media coverage. While you're waiting for responses, you may want to scroll down and get a sample of problems patients have had, even when they have insurance: chemo not being covered; reconstructive surgery denied on the non-cancer breast, etc. Can you imagine what it's like to deal with the bureaucracy (and uncertainty) of health insurance companies during cancer treatment?

    Overall my insurance was good during Tx, but now they are denying a B-MRI as a screening tool. (My tumor wasn't clearly seen by the mammo: completely missed on the side view; seen from the top view cuz it was just 1 cm from the skin. Yet my insurance company refuses to pay for a B-MRI, despite the fact that I have dense breasts, and that scar tissue from the lumpectomy can obscure a mammogram) I hope the Affordable Health Care Act doesn't get repealed or we'll see more patients denied coverage when they reach their annual and lifetime max (like that PoopStrong guy).

  • ICanDoThis
    ICanDoThis Member Posts: 1,473
    edited October 2012

    Hey

    I live in Michigan, and Blue Cross/ Blue Shield in our state is required to offer coverage to anyone who applies during the annual December open enrollment period. However, the conditions in Florida are very different.

    If you are interested, I have a friend who lives in Florida, and who retrained after cancer treatment and now works in the Breast Cancer field - she went through a lengthy period of no insurance, pre-existing condition problems, and now can speak the insurance thing for your state.

    If you would like to contact her, just send me a Private Message (through the table on the top left), and I will put you in touch.

     Glad to see someone writing about this. I have lost friends and friends of friends because of the whole no insurance-cancer thing, and it is about time that a spotlight was put on this.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited October 2012

    I am insured through Tricare, my husband is retired military.  I feel fortunate to have had the majority of my treatment covered, but have had several denials for things requested by my doctors.  One of my biopsy samples was sent for Mammaprint - which is done by Agendia - this is a genetic assay test and also provides definitive pathology for hormonal receptors and Her2 status.  The personnel in my breast surgeon's office did not obtain a referral for this test in advance.  Tricare does not cover this test because it considers it "experimental" even though it is FDA approved.  Payment was denied and initially I received a bill for approximately $5,000 for the test.  Fortunately I had not signed anything saying I would be responsible for anything insurance did not pay.  I requested an Assignment of Benefits form from Agendia, which is a form that says they will accept whatever insurance pays as payment in full.  Tricare paid a handling fee, so they had to accept that, and not charge me anything further.  If the surgeon's staff had done their job correctly they would have known in advance that this was not going to be covered and I could have avoided this hassle.  I was fortunate enough to have BRCA testing covered - I am adopted and have no access to family history - but Tricare now does not cover this genetic testing for anyone.  In my case a positive result would have dictated surgical options so this is important information to have.  I have also had a colonoscopy denied recently that was requested by my oncologist because I do not fit Tricare criteria for high risk.  I had a normal colonoscopy 4 years ago, prior to my breast cancer diagnosis.  The test was for screening purposes only, I have no symptoms.  My understanding is that if I present with symptoms they will approve the test.

    I am a Florida resident, my treatment has been in Florida, and would be happy to speak to you further if it would be helpful.

  • itsjustme10
    itsjustme10 Member Posts: 796
    edited October 2012

    I don't know what the original post asked, since apparently the community felt the need to remove it, but I can tell you that there is a down side to guaranteed acceptance.  NY requires that anyone who applies be accepted - kind of like what Obamacare wants for everyone.

    What could possibly be the downside, you ask?  Well, only 1 company, Blue Cross/Blue Shield will write individual policies in NY that cover both hospitalization and medical, including a drig card, unless you can prove you have self-employment income, therefore not covering those whose employers do not provide insurance.  The premiums start from more than $1400/month for single, and $4300/month for family coverage.  That's for the HMO.  The PPO is a little more expensive.

    I have a problem finding $60,000/year in medical insurance premiums "affordable".

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited October 2012

    itsjustme, if only one family member has a pre-existing condition, does it make sense to split the plans and have the family covered under a cheaper plan?

  • itsjustme10
    itsjustme10 Member Posts: 796
    edited October 2012

    Peggy... thank you for the suggestion, but it won't work here.

    If you're not covered under an employer's plan, are not self-employed (and can show them your IRS Schedule C), have income above whatever random minimal amounts they choose, etc. and have to go to the open market for individual insurance in NY, there is no cheaper plan - Blue Cross/Blue Shield is the only carrier who writes insurance for people who need to buy their own and don't meet the above criteria.  Those rates I gave - they ARE the cheaper plan - the PPO, which gives you more choice in doctors is more than $1,700/month for single, and $5300.00/month for families.

    I checked einsurance dot com because they list most carriers, and that was it in NY - if you're too young for Medicare, if you don't have low enough income for Healthy NY, if you have any assets at all so you don't qualify for Medicaid,, you pay what some people earn in annual salary fo 1 bill. 

    It has to do with guarantted acceptance, and no underwriting standards, because of the guaranteed acceptance.  It's scary, because if Obamacare is fully enacted, every state will see rates similar to this.

    I've given you the links for the 2 blue cross/blue shield quotes, based on the info I gave them.. I know it sounds like I totally made them up, since Blue Cross is usually the insurer of last resort, and subsidized a bit, but here it is..it's really shocking...  I will add that I don't know if the less populated areas upstate have a lower rate, than we do downsate in NYC and adjoining suburban areas.  It might be less because the cost of living it less. But, unfortunately, it doesn't change my reality of what I would have to deal with if I have to change insurance.

    single:

    https://buyhealthinsurance.empireblue.com/pf/eapp/ebuyer?execution=e2s3

    family

    https://buyhealthinsurance.empireblue.com/pf/eapp/ebuyer?execution=e2s4

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited October 2012

    itsjustme, thanks for posting the links. Unfortunately they timed out and when I tried myself (with a random NYC zip) it only showed me a plan for catastrophic cover (no regular office visits) for about $185/mo. Regardless, I'm sorry this is the situation. I bought my own coverage for many years and definitely saw a trend where BC was (IMO) trying to move consumers to certain types of plans. At first, I chose a plan with the $1000 deductible, then a couple years later noticed that the annual premiums were much much higher than a plan with a $2500 deductible (I'd pay $2000 more a year to have a $1000 deductible vs. a $2500 deductible. Makes no sense, so I changed my plan but felt like I was  being manipulated. I hate the control that these insurance companies have.) I've never heard of premiums this high. I think the highest I've heard is $800/mo for someone with a pre-existing condition (like heart problems) and a family plan that cost something like $20,000/yr or $1666/mo. Still steep IMO but who have afford $60,000 a year? FWIW, if you are paying something that high, you may be able to take a tax-deduction for part of it.  I'd wonder if it makes sense to buy a plan with just catastrophic coverage, since that could wipe out anyone. (and if you're saving $1200/mo or $14,400/yr on premiums, that would cover quite a few office visits) Anyway, sorry to hear this and good luck.

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