Who is the best surgeon at Memorial Sloan K?
Hello,
My mom was just diagnosed with breast cancer (not sure what type yet- under 2cm) and I want her to have the best breast surgeon there is. We chose MSK because we live in NY and it seems to be #2. We are trying to decide between 4 surgeons: Dr. Monica Morrow, Dr. Kimberly Van Zee, Dr. Hiram S. Cody and Dr. Tari King. I have looked at all their qualifications and they all seem amazing. However, I want the best surgeon who will make sure that there are good negative margins and doing everything in their power to prevent recurrence.
I also want someone who has somewhat of a bedside manner as my mom and I are very scared. That said, we want my mom's condition to be handled seriously. I couldn't live without my mom. Please if you know anything about any of these doctors (good or bad) please let us know. Or if there is something we should know about Memorial Sloan K. If need be we will go to MD Anderson Texas, but since we are so close to the #2 we thought we should try to stay near to home. Thank you very much and God bless.
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You've already done a lot of research. Now your best bet is to set up appointments and meet with 2 or 3 of them. See what they say. And most importantly see how their personalities mesh with your mom's personality. What someone likes in a doctor, others might not. It's a really personal choice. I ended up using my 3rd surgical opinion because #1 I felt didn't care about me individually (she never even bothered to tell me my biopsy results - if the radiologist hadn't called, I'd still probably be waiting for her), #2 didn't want to do a BMX at one shot, and I wasn't having anything with doing them months apart and lengtheining the healing process, and #3 was the right surgeon for me.
Another example I can give you is that the plastic surgeon I chose, well, everyone said he was great but had a crappy bedside manner. Guess what - he's my favorite out of all my team. I can see where his responses could be taken wrong by someone looking for something different from a doctor -so it's really an individual thing.
Personally I would go to MSK (and actually had my chemo at one of their LI satellites, but there were no surgical facilities there). There is zero reason to travel 1500 miles for surgery, and have to go back and forth for checkups and everything. The surgeons like to follow you for a long time after surgery, and even if it's once a year, the inconvenience is not made up by some imperceptible difference in facilities. It's an excellent facility, and they only hire the best.
Of course that's all JMO, and obviously you're going to do whatever you feel is best for your mom, but I figured I'd throw my $.02 in there.
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Oh, and just wanted to add that it sounds like your mom is going to have a lumpectomy. Clean margins are determined afterwards when the tissue is sent to pathology, because in may cases these are microscopic cells we're talking about, and cannot be seen by the naked eye. Every surgeon wants good margins. The medical oncologist will be the most important person to make sure there is no recurrence. The surgeon can only remove what's already there. And MSK is using all the most current chemo protocols.
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Thank you for your response. We too wanted to get a second/third opinion. We are going to do NYU and MD Anderson (write in opinion). We have an appointment to meet with a doctor from Sloan (1st opinion) but it is 12 days away. Apparently you can't get a second opinion from another doctor at Sloan.
Alos, I was wondering, how long did getting your second/third opinons take from the time of your biopsy results? Having to wait 12 days to see the doctor seems like so long to wait considering that the biopsy is positive for cancer. They said they could schedule surgery from 2 weeks from now. However, just finally getting the biopsy results took 3 weeks (after all other testing). I am just so scared my mom's cancer is spreading. Thank you.
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I ended up doing chemo first, so it was kind of disjointed. The 1st surgeon (who was the partner of the surgeon who did my mom's lumpectomy years before, but couldn't give me an appointment) was totally disinterested and told me to do chemo first. So while I was in chemo, I went to surgeon #2. I wasn't overly thrilled, but at the time there were a ton of other things going on, so I figured OK, whatever. Then when I finished chemo, she told me she would only do it 1 at a time, and I hat to use her plastics person (who wasn't on my plan), so I found doctor 3, who saw me within a week of calling - and took it upon herself to find and contact my plastic surgeon, and she made sure he took my insurance. So, I felt comfortable with her.
Breast cancer usually spreads slowly, and a week or 2 shouldn't make a difference. Columbia Presbyterian is also extremely highly rated, if you wanted to speak with them. One way to tell, if you have the pathology report, there should be a "grade". If it's grade 1, you can take your time, if it's grade 3, you want to move a little faster. The higher the grade, the more aggressive it is.
When I was first going through everything, I was really annoyed at how many tests and stuff that they wanted before anything - mammo, ultrasound, biopsy, mri - it really does feel like forever, but it's OK.
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Needhope, I'm a new yorker here. Just finished my bmx and reconstruction at nyu. So far my experience has been pretty positive. However my 1st breast surgeon (stephanie bernick) I went to was at Lenox hill. I absoulutely loved her, very comforting and excellent bedside manner, and has excellent reviews from former patients. I can't rave about her enough. Look her up on the Internet if your interested. Unfortunately, I ended up not using her because I didn't like lenox hill. But I might go back to see her just for regular exams.
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Need hope, if you are considering NYU, I would highly recommend the breast surgeon I used, Freya Schnabel. Very highly respected in her field and terrific bedside manner. I felt she really listened to me and took into account everything I had to say. Also answered all my questions at length and I never felt rushed.
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My breast surgeon at MSKCC is Dr Heerdt who is amazing and has an unbelievable bedside manner. She can be hard to get in to see though. My plastic surgeon is Dr. Cordeiro who is the head of the department. He is very quirky and I end up waiting an hour each time to get into see him but he's very very good and a nice guy.
I too think it's strange that you basically have to pick your doc before meeting him/her and then can't change within MSKCC once you go to them.
Best of luck to you!
Rose
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I too have Dr. Alexandra Heerdt at MSK. I cannot say enough good things about her; in fact, she is like an angel. She is so genuinely concerned and attentive. She goes the extra mile, an then some. her bedside manner is so loving, understanding and confident. She listens. If you can get in to see her, I highly recommend her.
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I used surgeon Amber Guth at NYU for double mastectomy and she was also excellent. Very good bedside manner, very knowledgeable, and trustworthy. Plus it was quicker getting an appointment at the time with her, and MSKCC was booked for 3-4 weeks. I didn't want to wait around 3-4 weeks with an invasive cancer diagnosis.
Depending on your mother's insurance, she may be able to be treated at MSKCC after surgery, because you will need a medical oncologist in addition to a surgeon. That's what I did. surgery at NYU and all post-surgical treatment was at MSKCC.
I know you are concerned about your mother but it is very subjective as to who is "best." Any surgeon at MSKCC with at least 15+ years of experience, is at the top of his or her field, and the same at NYU Medical Center, or a number of reputable institutions. But it's a good idea to get recommendations from others here on the Board or somewhere else.
Best luck to you. It must be a stressful, scary time for you and your mother.
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I had monica morrow last sept for initial rt mast and TE placement. She got great margins. Horrible bedside manner. But you dont hire them to be your best friend. I had horrible experience at the hosp they use. I think it was memorial hosp.
Dr morrow spoke to my husband after uni mast. Then my PS dr Desa/Disa?spoke to my husband and said i would be in horrible pain. He had filled my TE with 300 ml saline. They woke me up abruptly. Remember being transfered to stretcher when sx finished. I said "I need mg ativan, I just lost a breast" got to recovery area. Was in horrible pain with anxiety. I asked "where is my pca" they said those where reserved for bilaterals. They gave me tiny bits of dilaudid. 0.2 & 0.4 mg-that is nothing. I was writhing in pain. But i believe there recovery was closing. So off to floor I went. I had to transfer myself to bed. Ted hose where never placed. I had to demand the scd's to be placed. It was close to midnight before i got them. I got to recovery maybe 4pm.. I started demanding pca. Finally got it after 4 hours. Very hard to get on top of pain at this point. The pca ran off pump, but the fluids where running off gravity. They should be on pump. The post op bra was wzy too big.
My roomate had her light and tv on all night. She had constipation, and was continually complaining about it. The nursing staff was horrible. Finally at end of night my nurse of 2 years said "nurses make the worst patients.
They helped me up the first time, but after thar i was on my own. My pain was in no way controlled. Nursing staff was uncaring..
If yoy go to this hosp,, stay with your mom to be her patient advocate
I just had my diep sx this week in san antonio, and my experience was positive.
At last minute dr morrow refused to release me to fly free with corporate angels.
I dont usually tell this story, but you asked
Dr morrow is great sx, but she is cold -
GreenMonkey had a bad experience at MSK. Maybe you should PM her and ask about it.
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I hear Van Zee is nice, I never got to meet her. Had surgery at NYH. I love MSK, not everyone does.
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You are in one of the best cancer facilities in the world. ANY of them are top of their field.
You don't need to go personally to the other facilities. Once the biopsy is done, node situation settled, you can call another facility and collect the original slides, original mammos and the records and Fed-Ex them to another facility. I believe M D Anderson no longer does this, but Dana Farber, Brigham & Women's many others do. Saves a lot of money and they will send you their opinions and reccomend treatment. If everyone agrees, you are fine.
Gentle hugs, Shirlann
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Hi...At SLoan I used
BS...V. Sachani...went from lumpectomy, reexcision to the BMX..personality was shall... not to chatty ..but I felt he was clinicially competent...well known in the field
PS..A. Pusic..very agreeable, maybe to much, kind gentle manner..well know...great work if I do say so
MO...Bramberg...BEST personality, you will like her!
Good luck
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Just wondering what kind of reconstruction you had! Dr. Pusic was the only PS my insurance covered, but unfortuantely my BS was at LIJNORTHSHORE and had no privileges at MSK! Since I wanted immediate DIEP reconstructio,n I chose a different PS who was at LIJ but not in network and now we are still battling it out with the insurance!
My insurance suggested Dr. Pusic the day before my surgery was scheduled.
Mena
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I am at MSK and am very happy with it, but I know it's not for everyone. My surgeon is Dr. Heerdt, who is really incredible. She has such a warm, comforting manner. I have been very happy with her. My medical oncologist is Dr. Maura Dickler, who is also great. My PS is Dr. Cordeiro...I know he is not the warmest PS, but I like his straightforward manner, and since my exchange is next Wednesday, I'll have a better idea of whether or not I want to recommend him after that.
But I can't say enough good things about Dr. Heerdt - she's the best!
Good luck to you and your mom...she is very lucky to have you taking good care of her. My family has made all the difference to me during my treatment, and I'm sure you will make all the difference for your mother.
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I have the same docs! Dr. Heerdt and Dr. Cordeiro. I couldn't be happier with both of them. Dr. Heerdt is unbelievable and incredibly kind. Dr. Cordeiro is quirky but very very good. The only issue with him is that you wait a long time in the waiting room. But worth it I think. I had my BMX in Feb and my TE exchange at the end of August and am very happy with the results (as happy as you can be going through this mess
My MO is in the basking ridge office (Dr. Gorsky). Very happy with her as well.
Best of luck.
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NeedHope:
Some Oncologists even if they have an idea of how they want to treat her after the surgery, may not do so until the pathology report comes in. In my case, my Onc re-tested the information 2x prior to starting treatment. That was because he wanted to make sure he had the best chemo cocktail for me. If he had started treatment, before the final pathology reports were in, I would have probably been on a different type of chemo that would not have been as effective for my subtype. My information changed from the biopsy (ER+ 4%) to the tumor pathology report as (< than 1% ER+), resulting in a completely different course of chemo for myself.
Now, it is important to know that some Onc and depending upon the situation with the patient, will administer chemo first to shrink the tumor and to gauge the effectiveness of the chemo drugs. If that is the case, they will discuss that with you/your Mother.
If you ask your Mom's doctor, and they suggest surgery first before additional therapy, then I would opt for surgery first (right away) and have the final pathology/slides sent out to the other labs for the 2nd opinions.
Thanks for keeping us all posted on things.
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Hi, I choose implants. She said a bilateral diep would produce a big enough result to be worth the effort.
They came out pretty damn good. I think she perfers the diep.
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Hi, I assume you already chose the surgeon, but, if not, I highly recommend Kimberly Van Zee, MD at MSKCC. She is both very thorough and very attentive. If they have cancellations, her office calls you to move up the appointment. Once you are in their system, you move very quickly to treatment. I did a plastic surgery consult with Peter Cordiero, MD. So far I'm working on lumpectomy re-excisions, so haven't needed plastics. He is very straightforward, but not a hand-holder. I found the ambulatory surgery area staff to be both efficient and kind. Pain management was not a problem at all.
My cousin used Tari King and was also happy (also didn't use plastics).
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I ended up with Kimberly Van Zee and Peter Cordiero. Dr. Van Zee is supremely methodical and thorough, and clearly explained my options.
Whoever said Dr. Cordiero is quirky is right - i'm sure not everyone gets him. He certainly isn't looking for a long discussion if it;s not directly related to the surgery, but he answered all of my questions and brought up points i never considered with DIEP, TEs, GAP, etc. and did not talk down to me at all. Considering i'll see him for quite some time, I am satisfied with that.
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hi everyone, thanks so much for all of your responses. i haven't been on the site in a while since the surgery. a lot has been going on and a lot of doctors visits and things. My mom finished her surgery and she is doing good! She landed up going with Dr. M.M. She seems very good at what she does, but i definitely agree with you fredntan that the nursing and experience at the hospital is not the best. Actually had very mixed opinion. Some/Most of the nurses were fabulous, but the night nurses were terrible. The one was very uncaring and left bloody discharge all over bathroom and was just not what you would expect of a nurse at a cancer hospital. Also, not meeting with surgeon until next year and only saw next day in hospital. Not sure if this is routine, but it seems strange that you dont meet with the surgeon after the surgery?! not sure what the point in going next year to the surgeon is either? but did meet with the plastic surgeon so maybe that is their routine.
I was just wondering who you ladies used for oncologist at sloan. It seems impossible to get into any of them!
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LOVE my onocologist. Jackie Bramberg...Love her..a real person.
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needhope - I saw my PS and BS the day after UMX surgery. Saw both the following week too. The BS checked on my incisions and talked to me about my pathology. He said, "It's going to feel like I'm abandoning you, but now the PS needs to do his job." I didn't see the BS again for a few months, but saw my PS quite often.
I did find the two surgeons were very proprietary about their incisions. Found that quite funny.
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I just joined this site, and I know my post is way too late to have helped anyone writing a year ago. However, I want to add my voice to the chorus of those singing praises of Dr. Alexandra Heerdt. She was my surgeon at MSKCC thirteen and a half years ago, and she was (and is) a very talented doctor with a great deal of warmth, reassurance and empathy. Everything women said about her here I echo. She let me feel very safe.
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I just want to say that your mom is a lucky woman to have a daughter like you!
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Hi... just would like to add my thoughts here in case anyone is researching.....
I was diagnosed on July 5th of 2013 and had my surgery at MSKCC (NYC) with Dr. Hiram Cody on July 25th. Dr. Cody came VERY highly recommended through high channels in the breast cancer professional field. I can't say enough great things about him. Not only did he do a fantastic job on my lumpectomy, he was able to get clean margins and spare most of my breast. I had my lumpectomy on a Thursday, only needed Tylenol the next day and was back at work on Monday. I have been most happy with the results.
Dr. Cody is incredibly kind & thoughtful and has a wonderful bedside manner. At the time I was diagnosed, my 22 year-old daughter had just finished treatment for thyroid cancer. She bravely accompanied me to my surgery and Dr. Cody was really very compassionate with her after the surgery, taking a great deal of time to explain the procedure and to reassure her.
I didn't have drains after my surgery, but because the tumor was somewhat large, I had a lot of fluid that needed to be drained sometimes twice weekly with his nurse. His nurse was just as kind and professional as Dr. Cody, as is the staff at MSKCC.
Dr. Cody is just a fantastic surgeon and a wonderful human being and I HIGHLY recommend him.
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