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  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited September 2012

    pearl,

    Welcome! For most of us, the GI system is not an issue. I sometimes have a bit of nauseau for the day [and sometimes the next day] of the injection. But I can control this with diet. I love some Vietnamese Pho or Chinese pork chop noodle soup those days. But, I love soups.

    *susan* 

  • pearlady
    pearlady Member Posts: 882
    edited September 2012

    Thanks I am going to have a consult next week with my onc about my current drugs and some options. It's good to know that the GI will not be an issue. I've had enough of that already.

  • Lynne
    Lynne Member Posts: 641
    edited September 2012

    So sorry Robin. Hugs!

    I am having my first scans on Friday, since starting this in July. My lungs are filling up again with fluid (I had it drained once in July) and my spine is hurting (hoping it's just the pressure from the fluid). I'm thinking that this drug isn't working for me, since I don't feel any better. Keeping my fingers crossed!

    Lynne

  • pearlady
    pearlady Member Posts: 882
    edited October 2012

    Thanks Susan. I love soups also. Since I've been on the perjeta, I've been having more soups also since its easier on the GI than actually eating real food. Bought a VitaMix and have been making lots of veggie soups. How long have you been on Faslodex? My onc has confirmed what I've read on this board that it can sometimes work for years. That's encouraging. Hope it works years for all of us.

  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited October 2012

    I have been on the Faslodex since May 2010. I didn't have any loading doses, and my first year were just single shots. My butt has seen some action!

    Hope you get a lot of time on this drug.

    *susan* 

  • pearlady
    pearlady Member Posts: 882
    edited October 2012

    Susan thank you.  That is very encouraging.  I'm not looking forward to the discomfort, but 2/12 years and still working sounds good to me.  I don't know that my Dr. will do a loading dose.  He didn't with the perjeta, so maybe he won't for this.  He doesn't always go with what the standard is.

  • Annie62
    Annie62 Member Posts: 1,081
    edited October 2012

    Hi all,

    Never did get my third shot last Friday as I've been in the hospital for a week. I had pleural effusions and my onc says the faslodex is a slow starter so on to chemo for me. I wish you all the best and hope I'll be back on this thread after chemo kicks some cancer butt.

    annie

  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited October 2012

    Annie,

    Oh how disappointing, but it does sound like you need to hit hard and fast right now. Maybe Faslodex will be an option farther down the road.

    *susan* 

  • pearlady
    pearlady Member Posts: 882
    edited October 2012

    Annie praying that the chemo works quick and fast and that you can be back on faslodex soon.  Sending lots of positive energy and thoughts from one NJ lady to another.

  • kayrnic
    kayrnic Member Posts: 1,708
    edited October 2012

    Hi all,

    I am not on faslodex but my cousin who is also stage IV had her first dose yesterday and today is having horrible side effects. Chest pain, burning, shortness of breath. She also had herceptin and zometa yesterday as well and is also doing radiation. So it's hard to know what is causing these side effects. From what I have read however, the faslodex seems like the most likely suspect. Any way, can you guys tell me if you had these side effects? Did they go away after several doses? How often do you get the injections? I told her to go to the er and she did. I am waiting to hear from her. I just wondered if any of you had some insight for when I talk with her later! Thanks!

  • Tina2
    Tina2 Member Posts: 2,943
    edited October 2012

    Yikes, kayrnic. I am not aware of faslodex causing any of those reactions, but that doesn't mean it can't. I would bet that your cousin is having a reaction to one of the other treatments or a combination thereof.  

  • kayrnic
    kayrnic Member Posts: 1,708
    edited October 2012

    Update: Tina2, you're right! Just found out that she has a blod clot in her lung! That is what is causing the symptoms! They're not sure if one of the meds caused it or it could be from a minor surgery she had several weeks ago! Anyway, they will keep her over night to dissolve the clot and then send her home with a blood thinner! In a way I am relieved because hopefully she can stay on Faslodex. I would hate to see her have to switch treatment because of SE's.



    Anyway, if anybody has advice for a Faslodex newbie, I would appreciate any wisdom you have to offer!



    Thanks!

  • Tina2
    Tina2 Member Posts: 2,943
    edited October 2012

    Kayrnic, this thread has lots of good info for anyone new to Faslodex.  Follow it from its beginning and you will see some of the same useful pointers coming up again and again. Everyone agrees that Faslodex must be at room temperature before it is injected, and that it be injected slowly. It's also important to place your weight on the leg opposite while getting the injection.

  • Tish_13
    Tish_13 Member Posts: 67
    edited October 2012

    Hi Ladies,

    I am new to this club. I was found to have bone mets in June at the conclusion of a clinical trial using the drug Bondronat. Crazy thing is this trial was suppose to prevent bone mets!  What a nasty ugly shock and a very unexpected out come from this trial. Oh well life is an adventure and this is a roller coaster! I have been on faslodex since July and had radiation to my mid spine and right hip. Both hopefully are working, I will be evaluated in January.

    This is my Faslodex routine. 1, get a heating pad and warm your butt before the shot. 2, lay down for the shot. 3, have some one hold your hand and rub your back as you get the shots. 4 rub the injection site and continue with the heating pad for at least 10 minutes after the shot. The point is to relax your butt . First shot I tried standing,  even alternating my weight from one leg to another....my muscle tightened up resulting in lumps and bruising. Not pretty at all! 

    I do have a question for anyone out there in bone met world. Are you working? Is there anyone out there that has physically demanding careers? I work in retail doing visual merchandising, old school called it "window dresser'. My oncologist has put limits on what I can do, but that is very un realist in today's work climate. How far and hard do you push your selves? At the same time, I want to keep the bones intact as long as possible. How are the Faslodex Girls balancing work and life along with living with bone mets?

    Thanks,

    Tish

  • Lynne
    Lynne Member Posts: 641
    edited October 2012

    Hi Tish,

    I too started on Faslodex in June after being diagonised with mets to my spine and lungs after being first diagnosed with Stage 1 IDC,  7 years ago. I had the lumpectomy and radiation as well as taking the anti estrogen meds then (no chemo, the oncotype dx test came back with an 8% chance of reccurence, so I skipped it) and had no issues up until my back started hurting the end of May. They took and xray and a MRI.  I had a compression fracture in the T9 vertabrae (which I had repaired with "cement"). The MRI also showed all the tumors on most of my thoracic vertabrae and a dense area in my right chest. The CT scan of my chest showed the tumors and nodules in mostly my right lung (one in my left). I always thought if it came back, it would come back in my breasts, then I'd have a double mastectomy and chemo and I'd be all set. Funny how things happen.

    My monthly routine is a wrapping my arm in a heating pad, finding a vein, having my 1/2 hour Zometa infusion, then going back to a room and leaning over an exam table and  getting those 2 painful shots (one on each side, my lower back, towards each hip).  No heating pad, no one to hold my hand or rub my back (the nurse sometimes rubs the injection site if I complain about the pain too much), just 2 slow long injections, with a couple weeks of bruises, lumps, and pain on one or both sides. They never even offer to give me ideas how to make it easier. I'm going to try the leaing on the alternate leg next time, see if that works.

    As for working. Yes I am. I work from home for a health insurance company (pretty ironic, huh?) processing medical claims. I sit all day at a computer. I work 10 hr days Mon-Fri and a 5 hr day on Thurs (off Fri). My back bothers me, sometimes worse than other times (I take iburprofen because the narcotic drugs make me loopy). My oncologist hasn't put any limits on me, but I haven't asked her to either. It's a pretty non-physical job, except for my hands, LOL! I'm thinking of adjusting my hours, so I'm not working 10 each day (just work more on Thurs and still have Fridays off). I get pretty tired in the afternoons.   I'm lucky that I can basically make my own hours, as long as I give my supervisor a 24 hr notice. I usually pretty much keep to my regular hours though. I try to make all my appointments on Thurs afternoon or Friday. I doesn't always work that way though.

     I just had my CT and Bone Scans on Friday (after receiving Faslodex and Zometa for 3 months). I will hopefully get the results tomorrow afternoon to see if it's working on the tumors.  If not, we move on the the next drug (still not chemo).

  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited October 2012

    Lynne,

    My back pain got so bad this summer that I threw a bit of a fit. Well, I was loosing my mobility and that was not acceptable! My onc prescribed PT and I got a great one. She is actually considering writing a paper on this side effect since there is nothing in the literature. [PM me if you want her name. She is in Chelsea, very convenient to I93.]

    Five sessions and I have no back pain. I still have other niggling side effects, but this was the one that was really affecting my quality of life.

    *susan* 

  • Tish_13
    Tish_13 Member Posts: 67
    edited October 2012

    Thanks Lynne for the info, but really try laying down for the injections and bring a heating pad if they do not provide one. It is better for me and the RN. I hope you scans and CT come back with good news.

    As for work I hate the afternoon fatigue, I just want to nap. I do a lot of lifting, those mannikins get heavy and spinal fractures are a concern. On the plus side I am stronger and more agile than most women my age, hopfuly strenth will help hold me together!

    Susan, I am interested in what type of PT helped your back pain? I have ladies in my support group that went thru PT before the pain was diagnosed to be from bone mets. PT caused them more harm, but if the therapist knew the pain was from bone mets, I could see the out some being more helpful

    Thank you Ladies

  • BaseballFan
    BaseballFan Member Posts: 859
    edited October 2012

    Lynne.....I see you started Faslodex in June.  How long before it "kicked in"?

    I work full time....as administrative assistant in a high school athletic department.  I'm VERY fortunate that I am able to get to appointments easily and as long as I get my work done.....it's good.

    As far as the Faslodex, I think I require more sleep than before.  I've never been a "napper", but sure am now!  I get both shots at the same time (2 nurses) so equal weight on both legs. 

    I have scans this week and TMs next week.  Sure hope Faslodex has kicked in (it's been 2 1/2 months) because the markers have been rising.  I'm not sure how long onc will wait, but I guess scans will help him decide.   I really like Faslodex and am hoping for a long run.

  • Aerial
    Aerial Member Posts: 194
    edited October 2012

    Yes, may we all have a long run with this drug!

    I've never heard about the "2 nurses injecting each cheek at the same time" technique.  I guess it means you get it over with quicker! Laughing 

    Usually, the onco nurse gives me the Zometa first (thru an IV). They let the faslodex warm to room temp, then, I go to an empty bathroom or exam room for the shots.  I bend over the sink or whatever and try to relax the leg and butt being injected.  (It helps.)  My behind hurts for a few days afterward and lately, I get a little lump near the injection site.  It feels like a bruise.  I wonder why laying face down for the shots isn't the method of choice for most oncologists?  It sounds like a good idea to me!

    My most disabling pain comes from slipped vertebrae that entraps a nerve.  I have left side, radiating leg pain.  My pain doctor wants to try a Radio Frequency Ablation but my health insurance has denied it.  Twice!  In the meantime, he prescribed a couple of different strong pain pills--one made me horriibly sick to my stomach, the other made me groggy.  So, last week I tried my third Nerve Root Block injection.  It seems to be helping--at least some.

  • Tish_13
    Tish_13 Member Posts: 67
    edited October 2012

    Hi Ladies,

     Reclining face down is definitely the way to go. The restroom! Good grief that would be the worst place to get any injection. I have not had any bruising or lumpy butt using the heating pad before and after the shots. Also rubbing and massaging the injection site really works it in.

    My oncologist asked me if the injections are painful and said while Faslodex works very well for many women, it is ( he feels ) an under used drug...hummm, he wondered out loud. I told him I felt many would choose a pill over 2 big shots to the butt ever 4 weeks, and it can hurt like heck if you tense your muscles.

    I have been reading about Radio Frequency Ablation, now why is it not used more often?

    Thank you,

    Tish

  • EvaPerone
    EvaPerone Member Posts: 94
    edited October 2012

    Hey to my Faslodex sisters, back from Istanbul and meandering through the Adriatric. My last scan was good - 7 mets in lungs but stable! No mets in liver since re-section. 6 months on Faslodex and counting.

    I did have loader shots for those that want to know. And I get my injections standing up simultaneously, it keeps you from tensing for the 2nd one. Minimal bruising. My SEs include: bad taste, rancid smell, a bit of fatigue but only for first few days. Biggest SE is joint pain and it seems to be cumulative. My doc says joint pain is normal for post-menopause and that's what I am thanks to chemo and endocrine treatments. I'm 49 but shuffle like an old lady when I walk after sitting for a while. 

    But if that's the worst for now, I'll take it. I don't even have to have a CT scan for 6 months, so I'll be hitting my one year Faslodex anniversary on the next one. That's about as good as it gets. So I'm packing my bags again for a volunteer stint in Ukraine, then a week warming the bones in Mexico. What else should I do with "my" winter??? Woohoo, EvaP 

  • EvaPerone
    EvaPerone Member Posts: 94
    edited October 2012

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  • EvaPerone
    EvaPerone Member Posts: 94
    edited October 2012

    I hope everyone has seen this. Metavivor has a great campaign, The Elephant in the Pink Room - Don't Ignore Stage 4. Please post anywhere/everywhere and call attention to the need for research for all of us with metastatic disease. 

  • Tina2
    Tina2 Member Posts: 2,943
    edited October 2012

    Thanks, EvaPerone for the update on your global jaunts and the link. In the interest of clear communication, I wish the look of the page--specifically the choice of type font--were less "designerly" and more straightforward. They'd get more readers and more re-posts.

    FYI just as a point of interest: EASAI, sponsor of the "Elephant in the Pink Room" campaign, manufactures Halavan, aka eribulin.

  • DJ64
    DJ64 Member Posts: 152
    edited October 2012

    For EvaPerone,

    I had my ct scan in September  - stable was the result.    Lung mets some look smaller 1 mm here 2 mm there but that is regression not progression.  Six months on Faslodex for me too.   I hope I now will be on the 6 months schedule instead of every 3 months for ct scan.

    Glad you had a nice time in Instabul.  

    DJ 

  • EvaPerone
    EvaPerone Member Posts: 94
    edited October 2012

    Yah DJ! I asked my doc to wait 6 months for next CT and he agreed if I saw him at the 3 month mark. Maybe worth asking. EvaP

  • littlecatsfeet
    littlecatsfeet Member Posts: 87
    edited October 2012

    Well hello - I have become a Faslodex Girl. Eight weeks on Arimidex since being diagnosed with mets and my tumor markers have risen from 153 to 253. I am prone to an overabundance of optimism. but right now I am disappointed - was hoping for Arimidex ad infinitum.

    I will read this thread before I go to bed tonight, but right now I just want to feed my face.

    Leslie 

  • Aerial
    Aerial Member Posts: 194
    edited October 2012

    Eva--sounds like you've traveled to some wild and exotic places!  Good for you!

    I'm very glad to hear about the slogan "don't ignore Stage IV" and The Elephant in the Pink Room group.  (I haven't looked at the site, yet.)  This is an issue I have been very concerned (and sometimes angry) about.  Everyone needs to face the truth about the randomness of cancer in all of it's evil forms.  I do believe it has become "pink-washed" for far too long.  I felt that way before I joined the Stage IV gang, too.

    In any case, here's to the cancer butt kicking properties of Faslodex.  May the search for more drugs like it, continue!

  • EvaPerone
    EvaPerone Member Posts: 94
    edited October 2012

    Leslie, welcome. Wishing you a long stay with faslodex. 

     Aerial, I'm with you. Even the mention of pink makes me bristle. 

    Tina, Thanks for the info on campaign sponsorship. I'm too cynical to believe any company sponsors out of the goodness of their hearts. But any company that wants to make major profits should look to anything that cures or enables us with MBC to live high quality lives for longer.

    Unless of course we really want to change and force health care into no longer being a commodity. Ha, don't think that will happen in my lifetime. 

  • Tina2
    Tina2 Member Posts: 2,943
    edited October 2012

    Faslodex Fans (although Fannies might be more appropriate),

    I believe this thread needs a bump, so I'm going to re-post what I posted on another thread yesterday. Sorry if it's old news to some.

    I believe that I am technically in remission after just over a year on Faslodex. Although the mets in my lungs still show up, they were not seen to be metabolically active on the last PET-CT. It is strange after a year and a half of what felt like hanging by my thumbs that I might have much more time before I drop than I initially thought. I don't want to treat this gift casually, but am trying to achieve a balance between relaxing my antennae and staying alert and prepared. Tomorrow is my monthly visit to the onc and my Faslodex injection. It is the first time since I have started this Stage IV trek that I do not have a scrawled list of questions for him. There's just one: are we sticking to the previous scan schedule?

    Tina

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