Sept 2012 chemo

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  • sherbab
    sherbab Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2012

    Good Morning All!



    Happy Bitthday Mariposa! I agree with you next year is going to be a blow out birthday party combined with a 10 year anniversary celebration.



    Today is a new day and I am seeing it in a new light. Thank you for yesterday's kind and supportive words!



    To all with treatment today wishing you the best.



    This week there have been some very personal stories, good information passed and welcome words of support. This group is an awesome place we all have met under some crazy circumstances. I am sure there are some out there watching for information who have not yet even posted and we are supporting them from a far.

  • Cindi74
    Cindi74 Member Posts: 363
    edited October 2012

    Justegan,  Welcome to the Exclusive Club No One Wants to Join.  Only 23 and a graduate student.  I am so sorry.  I look back to my graduate school days, and I'm sure I couldn't have coped with all this and that.  Hope you have a good support network.  Hang in there.  This is a great thread.  I'm probably the oldest, the grandma of the bunch.  Did you read Wonderwoman comics as a child.  I'm now trying to find copies for my granddaughters.

    David, do a temporary tatoo.  Needles, hepatitus.  No Way.  You sound much stronger now.  Just had number 2 A/C yesterday.  5 hours.  One hour waiting for drugs.  Oh well.  Took first Emend yesterday, and will take 2nd soon.  So far no nausea.  Came home and went to bed.  Slept through all but first five minutes of debates and until 6 am.  Neulasta today.  I think fatigue has set in early.  This time I'm just going to roll with it and not try to do anything buy sleep, read, watch movies, and the stationary bike if I am up to it for 10 days. 

    Mariposa,  Happy Birthday.   Sorry for the depression.  Try Garison Keiler podcast downloads, Prarie Home Companion link.  Free.  Funny and distracting.  I downloaded over 100 to my iphone and listen through the night through thin old earphones.  It puts me to sleep, and if I wake up, distracts my brain.  No bad dreams.  His voice is interesting, but mellow.  Works for me.  Away went the little Sad cloud over my head one day when I woke up without Keiler.

     Amy,  Bottom eyelashes went first.  One or two hairs left from brows.  Head almost shiny. Pubic, still there, long and curly.  Go figure.  Wonderful news on the shrinkage.  I'm on A/C too. Just had second although she lowered dossage after first by 20%.  Surgeon got all from breast--clean edges, but it had gone through one lymph node so this is after the little cells like the bole weevil, "just looking for a home"  We can see from you, it is killing cancer.  Yeah!!!

    Toastiecat.  Second Wedding aniversery.  Oh  dear.  I am so sorry you are celebrating it this way.  My second one I was pregnant.  My first husband was having to get out of the service after 14 years because as a 41 year old captain (even though he had flown  50 combat missions over eastern Europe during WWI) they decided they didn't need him any more.  He was quite depressed and didn't know what to do so we went back to grad school for two years and then both struggled to find jobs.  It was as though our marriage was forged steel.  We clung to each other and took on the world.  It was a great marriage for 25 years until he had a heart attack and died suddenly in my arms as the ambulance tech and I tried to give him CPR. 

    If your hubby is supportive (gentle massages help enormously), and you can fight through this together, your marriage will become stronger.  Hang in there.  Lots of Hugs.

    Aliasismo, mine was up slightly above normal after the neulasta, and 5 neupogens, but down just under the low normal yesterday before 2 A/C.  Now I know to be extra careful immediately.  Sorry they delayed your treatment.  More neupogen?

    Amy, go to your Profile.  Somewhere in there you can put location, DX, Surgery, treatments.  There is a button on the right to make public, (On your posts) or private.

    Sherbad,  A Loved Birthday,  A Memorable Aniversery.    Hugs.  Wishes for no SE and a quick cure.

    Butterfly, No raw tomatoes if your WBCs can be low. Germs can get into the tomato through the stem. They have caused severe sickness among even healthy people in the past. Either eat cooked, or don't eat.

    I'm trying the white tea. Not much on the internet to support it, but the lady next to me at chemo swore by it.

    By the way. I gained 5 lbs naked from yester morning before chemo to this moring. Ok, I drank over a gallon of water and they put a lot of fluids into me. I had ham and egg and bagel with crean cheese for breakfast yesterday, an Arbys for lunch and  Cottage cheese and canned pineapple for supper, but 5 lbs.  Must be the fluids. 

    Hugs to all.  It's 8:30 and my day of doing nothing has started.  Oh yes.  There is the paper. 

  • Toastiecat
    Toastiecat Member Posts: 132
    edited October 2012

    Mariposa, I'm so sorry you're having a rough time. The uncertainty is so upsetting. I may be wrong, but I feel like the anticipation of the hair loss is going to be worse than when we finally lose it. Is there some deal you can make with yourself for something special you'll do when it goes? Buy yourself a nice present, or spend a special day with the kids? I hope you can have some happy moments, if not the whole day.

    I was talking with my therapist yesterday about losing my hair, and I talked about being afraid of when it's going to happen. She pointed out that I never used the word afraid when talking about losing my breasts! I think for me, once the hair is gone, there's no denying that I've become a sick person. I feel like everyone I encounter will know, and that's hard for me.

    Hope everyone has a good day.

     xoxo 

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited October 2012

    Hugs and Kisses to Mariposa & Sherbab (and anyone else I missed due to chemo brain)!!

     

  • shockd
    shockd Member Posts: 68
    edited October 2012

    Oh. Brain fart.  Just responded to Mariposa on the 2012 Sisters thread. Duh.  

    Anyhow, Mariposa, Happy Birthday to you!  And we are totally sympathetic to the hair loss fear, I talked with my BS about it, told her I was way more afraid to lose my hair (than my breast - I could accept that was necessary).  She said that was pretty common, not everybody sees our breasts, but our hair is (what did they used to say?) our crowning glory, or something like that.  I shaved mine off and am still afraid that I was too hasty - I still have all my other hair, so maybe I could be the once in a million exception Smile My Mom said "don't worry - if you were too soon, it'll grow back!" Huh.  Makes sense to me.  I think Toastiecat is right, I was able to pretend or carry on as if I wasn't sick before I lost my hair, and now it's out there for everyone to see (so undeniable).  Drat.

    Good luck to you, and Toastiecat, and everyone else facing this.  This too shall pass.  (Yes - knowing it's only temporary is helping, but not much!) Wink 

  • Kstillie
    Kstillie Member Posts: 22
    edited October 2012

    Toastiecat...I think your therapist is right. I always had very short hair. This was not supposed to be an issue for me, even had some fun with it at first - shaved it into a pink Mowhawk. However now that its gone I suddenly feel isolated and I don't want anyone to see me. It's solidified the fact that I have breast cancer and am "sick". I think I need to make an appt with my therapist...can't stop crying and feeling very alone....

  • shockd
    shockd Member Posts: 68
    edited October 2012

    Kstillie - I had one of those days last week, cried all day.  It solidified things for me too.  I finally figured out I need some kind of "busy work" those days to get out of my own head - although it's tough finding things to do when we feel like crap.  I am getting over wanting to hide from everyone.  Hugs to you. 

  • butterfly14
    butterfly14 Member Posts: 253
    edited October 2012

    Thank you all for posting on the hair loss. My mom said I was being vain, hair grows back. Unlike losing both breasts, this will be the "you have cancer moment" for all to see. I have started having dreams of my hair falling out in clumps while talking to people or just breaking off in my hands. Today, I woke up crying and have been depressed since my feet hit the ground.

    Mariposa: Happy Birthday, I pray you do not lose your hair today.

    Cindy74: Thanks for the info on raw tomatoes, did not realize that.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2012

    It makes me feel better that everyone feels the same way with regards to the hair loss. No matter as strong as I feel about it, I mourn the loss of my hair everyday. Is it nice to get up and get ready much quicker than I used to? Heck yes! Yet, I'm sure I would lose 2 hours of my day (not that it ever took me that long to get ready) just to have my hair back. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2012
    Cindi,

    I am lucky to have an amazing support network behind me. The faculty at my university have also been really understanding and I worked it out so I technically only have to be on campus Tues-Thurs. So I have my treatments on Fridays so that I can rest over the weekend before classes/teaching Tues-Thurs. =) It is tough, because I had to stall doing my Master's Thesis this semester due to my diagnosis/treatment. But I have to accept that it is what it is and I can't change it. 
  • Amy4978
    Amy4978 Member Posts: 473
    edited October 2012

    Jojo.. My lump feels different for sure and I can visually see a change. At the beginning when I raised my right arm the bottom of my right breast divited inward and the outer edge buldged out. Neither one of these are visible anymore! Loving it....

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited October 2012

    jojo2373- You are too funny..... yes..... I've been watching my children here and I must say, all of you are doing pretty well!!!!!  I know some of you are struggling with the hair as it is falling away.  With the exception of a few days during my time in chemoland, I usually felt well and had very manageable side effects.  I made an effort everyday that I felt well, to get out of the house whether it was to grocery shopping, run errands.... just the same things I did before I started chemo.  I know that the public world, I looked like someone with a serious illness going through some kind of treatment.  My almost bald head was covered by a baseball cap and my eyebrows were scant but basically non-existent.  I had a UMX which means sometimes I'm a little unbalanced in the chest area (it really depends on what I feel like doing to appear symmetrical there... I usually don't care...).   But for those things, I looked pretty healthy... skin coloring good.... weight good... etc. plus there was usually a smile on my face.  Now, the hair and the eyebrows/eyelashes are coming back, the boob situation is the same ( who cares... I don't) and the smile is still there.  I am thankful for every blessing I have received through all of this, whether it be in the form of a good thing/emotion or a not so good thing/emotion.    Each of you has the ability to make each day a good one and to move forward through all of this.  Sometimes you just have to push a little harder to get by the rough spots.   I know because I have been through that part of chemoland.

    My personal hair story is no different than anyone else's.  I had waist length hair last February 2012 when I was initially diagnosed.  Then mid- March, I had a short bob when  I had my UMX.  Then early May, I had a short short boy hair cut just before my 2nd round of chemo.    For the boy cut, I made five little ponytails- one front one and 4 around the sides.  I snipped those ponytails off myself and boy that was liberating.  My husband and son had left the house to run an errand and returned to see me with my new do.  My husband got his trusty electric clippers with a 1 inch cuting guard and cleaned up the sides and back.  My onco even asked where I had gotten my hair cut!!!!  Before I had chemo, I decided that I would not shave/buzz my head when the hair started to fall because I felt I had had enough hair changes.  So it has been my personal science experiment to see if all of my hair would fall out during the chemo.  Well.... it didn't.  Some of my mighty hair follicles refused to let chemo take them out.  I had scant wispy bangs and nape hair plus hair scattered all over my head.  I was able to rub my head and feel that hair which was so comforting.  My onco and her research coordinator have been amazed that I managed to have some hair left.  My eyebrows and eyelashes started for fall out during the 5th/6th chemo rounds but have already grown back in.  I know that they can come and go several times post chemo because they are on a different growth schedule than the rest of the hair.

    So where does that leave everyone here..... you do what you have to do to keep moving forward and pushing through this time.  If it means tears, then let them flow.  If it means sadness, be sad for a while but don't let it consume you.  If you are down and feel that you are down too long, get some support and help from your family, friends, doctors and here.  One of the sweetest things that my kids ( 18 and 22 yrs) have said to me it that "It doesn't matter what you look like, you are still Mom!"  I don't care what anyone looks like here, you are still strong women doing what each has to do to get healthy and stay healthy.

    HUGS and wishing easy times in the BGC and minimal side effects!!!Cool 

  • Cindi74
    Cindi74 Member Posts: 363
    edited October 2012

    toastiecat, kstillie, shock, justegan,  I used the lint roller on my bowling ball scalp a bit ago.  Now to apply my wig.  It looks great, and so do I.  Several people have told me that when their hair came back, it had some wave or curl.  I have always hated how straight my was and endured the expense and time of perms.  Looking forward.  Hope my cross between dishwater, gray, and platinum is the same.  My two wigs have similiar styles and as near to my color as they had, but they are blonder.  My work friends who hadn't seen me in a couple of years last Monday commented on how good I look.  My guess is they thought I finally had turned to dye and a more expensive hair dresser.  None knew about the cancer.

    If anything good except a few more years comes out of all this, I now have two wigs I would have probably never spent the money for that I can wear if I don't want to perm or wash and roll.

    Remember this.  There are 56 of us Wonder Women who support and understand you.  It's OK.  It ain't fun, but WE CAN DO THIS. 

     Hugs and Love

  • Cherioo
    Cherioo Member Posts: 305
    edited October 2012

    Good Day All,



    Sitting in my chair getting my dose of AC . Praying this is a good one since my Dr changed my nausea medication since the last one made me sick. Looking forward to getting over this round and getting on with the Taxol after my next round . Wanted to see if any of you are having problems sleeping? I get like 3-4 hrs a night



    I hope who ever is having chemo today I pray no SE

  • shockd
    shockd Member Posts: 68
    edited October 2012

    Melrosemelrose, Cindy74, everyone else, thanks for the support and the smiles.  It really helps.

  • florbo
    florbo Member Posts: 178
    edited October 2012

    lokimax2 /Susan,

    I hope your rash clears up.  I had a really bad reaction to the steri-strips/dermabond that was used when I had my port put in.  I had benedryl cream, steroid cream, and took Zyrtec to control the rashes.  My surgeon said for me to write that I'm allergic to steri-strips and dermabond next time so they will use other stuff.

     sherbab,

    Happy Anniversary and Happy Birthday!  I hope you feel better and at least get to do something enjoyable.  Sending you hugs. 

  • EnglishRose75
    EnglishRose75 Member Posts: 147
    edited October 2012

    Hello everyone!

    I haven't checked in for a while so I just wanted to see how everyone was doing.  It seems that hair has been the week's main topic. Just to report that I buzz cut mine in early August, just before I started chemo (it was the taking control thing that a few people have mentioned) and maybe it's wishful thinking, but I actually think it's growing back in some spots.  I have some areas where the stubble is clinging on, a few areas that are totally bald, and a few areas where it looks like there's new growth. My onc said that it starts to grow back more when you switch from the anthracyclines to the taxols.

    This has been my "good week", so I've been pretty busy--work, kids, line care and blood tests, incessant googling of weird medical terminology on my pathology report--you know, just a normal kind of week in the life of a breast cancer patient.

    Found out this week that I am PR+ (thought I was Triple Negative) so have been figuring out what that all means.  Apparently only 3% of people are ER-/PR+.  Lucky me!

    Bracing myself for first round of Taxotere next Wednesday.  Apparently I'll get double the steroid dose as with the FEC.  Steroids on the FEC made me a complete crazy person.  I've warned my husband to invest in full body armour!

    Off to read a my trashy mindless novel in bed with my cat!

  • EnglishRose75
    EnglishRose75 Member Posts: 147
    edited October 2012

    PS Cheerioo--get some proper prescription sleep meds if you don't have some already.  I have Zopiclone and they're great!  I don't take them every night but when I do, I'm down and out for a solid 8 hours. Haven't slept like that since before I had kids!

  • Amy4978
    Amy4978 Member Posts: 473
    edited October 2012
  • Timbek2
    Timbek2 Member Posts: 204
    edited October 2012

    I survived treatment two. Glad that's done. Enjoyed the music links. Really great. Thanks for sharing. Happy birthday friend! Hope you can find a way to enjoy it. Mine is in May and I hope and pray I will have this part of my life behind me. That is my goal! My other goal is to be able to help and encourage others as a survivor! That would give my life meaning. I also got the book mentioned about eating through cancer. I'm hoping to try some new recipes. Sometimes I don't know what to eat! This will help guide me. So far I'm feeling fatigue more. Ugh. So I will rest. Blessings to you all!

  • cgesq
    cgesq Member Posts: 319
    edited October 2012

    Hi All,

    Have a good story to share. Several months ago, my 19 yr old son got us tickets to see a taping of The Colbert Report, one of our favorite shows. At the time, I was excited, but then chemo started and I wasn't sure I would be up to going. Anyway, the taping was last night. I was supposed to have my 2nd TCH treatment yesterday, but I called the infusion center and switched it to today, so we could go.

    I have been to a taping a few years ago, and knew that they had the studio audience line up in a small alley, and then moved everybody into a small room (for about an hour or so) prior to the actual taping. Being concerned about the germs, I asked my son to email them and explain that I have cancer and ask if there was another, less crowded area we could wait in. They emailed back and said it shouldn't be a problem, just see a security person upon check in.

    Last night, feeling good, we headed off into NYC and signed in and told them about the email. They called over security, who escorted us off the line, and told us we didn't have to wait on the line, but we should return later and he would put us in the VIP area! They were so accomodating. When we returned, they had us, and 2 other VIP couples wait in a conference room in their offices where the pages/writers/producers were hanging out, tweaking the show. They offered us snacks from their fridge, and when the time came for the show taping, they granted us first access to the studio and put us in primo seats!! We couldn't have asked for nicer treatment.

    So, kudos to The Colbert Report!!! If we have to have this horrible disease, we might as well get some benefit!!

    BTW, had my 2nd TCH today, It went well. Heres hoping for minimal side effects for all!!

    Cheryl

  • bearcub
    bearcub Member Posts: 485
    edited October 2012

    Cheryl that sounds like you had a fantastic time, what a treat that must have been, I love Stephen Colbert.



    Timbek and Cherioo hope you are both feeling well, and continue with minimal SE . What meds did they give you Cherioo? I take Decardon and Metoclopramide and Ondansetron and they work well for me on AC for nausea control.



    I have to say it has taken 9 days since my 2 nd chemo but today I feel GREAT, it almost feels normal. I managed to ride my bike 16 km. and took my little Emma(dog) for a walk.

    I pray you all feel this well for the weekend. I am going to go shopping tomorrow( I will take hand sanitizer)..if people don't want to look at me in my scarf, if I remind them of cancer, to friggin bad, I feel good!! Maybe I will remind someone to go for her mammogram.



    I hope you all have a fantastic weekend, in Canada this is our Thanksgiving weekend and I am going to enjoy it and be thankful that I am living in a time where they have treatment for Breast Cancer...and I am going to have turkey, and mashed potatoes gravey, and Brussels sprouts and carrots and pumpkin pie......I just feel so happy.







  • Timbek2
    Timbek2 Member Posts: 204
    edited October 2012

    Cheryl and bear cub. Happy for you both!! We need to treat ourselves in the midst of the madness! I'm doing some online shopping and if I feel up to it will sneak in a lil retail therapy next week. Blessings to you both!!! And this time I will be taking my zifran tomorrow night! :). Praying for no bone pain with shot. Mo will not let me do the Claritin. Bummer. :(

  • bearcub
    bearcub Member Posts: 485
    edited October 2012

    I would like to recommend if you haven't checked it out the thread called Anti Cancer Diet recipes. Some great recipe ideas are on this thread.

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited October 2012

    Cheryl what a great story, so happy you got lots of perks! I enjoyed a girls lunch out with a friend today, almost forgot the cancer for a few minutes. A glass of pinot grigio was wonderful. Then after returning home my stomach said "Jo you cant have that much fun" and the diarrhea began. Oh well was worth it.



    I was told by my MO that I wont need Neulasta with Taxol. Did everyone else hear the same?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2012
    Jojo

    I'm sorry the glass of Pinot Grigio didn't settle well. Like you said though, it was worth it lol. 

    And my med onc said the same thing. I only need the neulasta while on AC once I start Taxol I don't. 
  • Cindi74
    Cindi74 Member Posts: 363
    edited October 2012

    Bear cub,  Am one week behind you.  So I can look forward to feeling good in 8 days.  Am supposed to go to small dinner party on 3rd night which wasn't a bad night last time.  Hostess is a two time cancer survivor  (fallopian tube and colon), so very understanding.  Am looking forward.

    Will have CBC on Monday.  They are watching WBCs which crashed last time and was not helped much by Neulasta and had to be suplimented with 5 Nepogen. This time husband can give Nepogen anytime no CBC.  Also trying gensing this time for fatigue.  Can't tell yet.

    Have visited Canada from Gasbe Pen to Prince Rupert, from Newfoundland to Dawson. Gorgeous country and friendly people.  Once rode horses 8 days in Willmore wilderness with a wrangler who had been a mounty.  8 of the best days of my life.  Just mountains rivers, creeks, pica, and wilderness.  Crowning days of my exhistance.  

    You must come to Florida some winter.  What I couldn't do in Canada is winter.  Love our sunshine.

  • whenlifegivesyoulemons
    whenlifegivesyoulemons Member Posts: 184
    edited October 2012
    First, I must give serious kudos to my DH who upon a particularly CRAP cancer day at work made a run to Target to acquire a full week's worth of superhero undies for me. They have become my Linus blanket. I now firmly believe that when I'm not wearing them bad things happen. Like, for example, well-meaning work acquaintances who have no business knowing about my diagnosis (yet still somehow do) think it's a good idea to approach me in the hallway, or the cafeteria and ask me how I'm doing, in that way. You know, that WAY. LIZ!!!!!!! Oh my God. How A R E you? How are you FEEEEEELING? For anyone standing nearby there can be no mistaking the fact that I am sick, no matter how well I look, no matter how awesome my wig. I will flatten the next person who does that to me. Or, perhaps I'll handle it better if I've remembered to wear my superhero undies. We'll see.

    Rsdavid: I love the henna tat idea - fight like a girl is the perfect sentiment. I might do the same, MO approving, of course.

    Kstillie and Toastiecat: I've thought often about how the hard stuff feels easy (chemo, surgery, radiation), and the stuff that should be easy feels the hardest - not looking like myself, and being vulnerable to the world.

    Justegan: I'm on day 2 of wig wearing. Very mixed feelings about it. Love how it protects me from the prying eyes of the world. Hate how it feels. The minute I walk through the door it's torn from head like a blood-sucking leech.

    English Rose: Life is not worth living without the occasional mindless trashy novel.

    Loved the "report" on the Colbert Report. I stopped watching the news and started watching Colbert when all this happened.

    Love all the creative birthday greetings - Happy Birthday October ladies. And, a Happy Thanksgiving to the Canadians.

  • Neta69
    Neta69 Member Posts: 203
    edited October 2012

    Hi ladies, just wanted to say thank you for all the encouragement, strength and support on this thread. I'm going for my 3rd (of4) TC treatment tomorrow and I'm dreading it. Totally wired and emotional because of the steroids.



    Cheerioo - I havent slept properly since May either. Sometimes sleeping pills help but not always I think I am developing a tolerance to them. I just cant stay asleep!

  • bearcub
    bearcub Member Posts: 485
    edited October 2012

    Cindi, I hope you have a nice dinner party with no SE. Hopefully your WBC will hold up this time. I have always had a somewhat low WBC so mine is something I worry about, it came up just enough overnight before my last chemo so they didn't have to reduce the dose. I hope I can do that again this time. I have 2 more chemo's left, Oct 17, and nov 7 and then I am done chemo and off to rads. I sure hope I can stay on track. How many do you have left, and how much Taxol do you get? Will you be doing radiation?



    You sound like you have traveled Canada fairly extensively, wow it is beautiful. Riding for 8 days in the wilderness would be something to remember. I have done day trips on horseback but never overnight. I haven't been across Canada in 30 years. We tend to travel south....last time we went as far as Saskatchewan and headed south to MT. Rushmore and then Devils Tower in Wyoming. We do plan on going across Canada in 4 years and head south along the east coast of the US to your neck of the woods( I do feel intimidated by the snakes and alligators) across the lower and over to the west coast and back up to Canada. I met my DH while we were in the military, we both got out after 2 years. I assume you have been a long term military wife, sorry to hear the sad passing of your first husband. You sound like you have a happy heart and a DH who is right there beside you.



    When life, wow you do have a DH. What would we do without our sweeties!

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