Sept 2012 chemo

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  • Waitingforthenextstep
    Waitingforthenextstep Member Posts: 251
    edited October 2012

    Hey guys,

                    Can anyone who has been treated with herceptin tell me how long the course of the therapy was?  Does anyone know the reason that some treatment regimens are longer than others?  One week till A/C #2.  Not looking forward to it. SE were pretty severe from #1. 

                   I feel a little differently about how my family members are reacting.  I have two grown children, my impulses are to shield them as much as I can.  I am still trying to process that this is happening to me and how I will get through it.  The treatments are pretty rough and my truth is I don't know if I can take anything worse.  More than for myself I wish this had not happened to them. Whatever I can spare them, I will. 

                    

  • cgesq
    cgesq Member Posts: 319
    edited October 2012

    For all of us losing our hair now, somebody told me a great tip:

    Next time you are at the hospital/cancer center, ask one of the nurses to bring you some disposable caps the drs and nurses wear in the operating room.  They are like breathable shower caps.  Wear them when you go to sleep--they are pretty comfortable.  This way, the hair doesn't get all over the pillow/bed/pjs. 

    The only downside is that in the morning, you see how much hair has collected overnight!   

    Whenlife, I totally get what you are saying about watching and waiting for the hair to fall out.  I find myself fascinated and repulsed also.  I think for the sake of my sanity, I'm going to get mine buzzed soon.  

    Aic, I too am experiencing breakouts, mostly on my chest and nose also.  I never had bad acne before in my life, even when I was a teenager! Never thought I'de be having acne when I'm 50!!  

    Mariposa, I hear you about not wanting to ruin the feeling good weeks by worrying about the next series of feeling bad days. Periodically, I find myself doing the same thing.  Although it would seem obvious, it is difficult to achieve this balance, and I keep having to remind myself to just enjoy the good days when they are here!  PS  It is really true that some women on taxotere never get their hair back????  That would be horrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Mariposa123
    Mariposa123 Member Posts: 267
    edited October 2012

    Good morning ladies,

      I am getting used to my short do, but it is still hard.  (thanks JoJo for saying I looked nice:-)  I think you are gorgeous bald!  I hope I can pull it off as well as you!  Glad you are feeling better)

    My head was itching like crazy all night long.   I think that is probably the precursor to the more major hair loss.  I thought I had come to terms with losing my hair, but I am realizing that I really just was in denial.  It will happen.  I will be sad.  But I will get over it.  My daughter commented several times that I look like a boy. (She is only six, so that is okay:-)  She also told me that she thinks I will be beautiful bald, but would rather I pick her up from school with a wig on.  I agreed.   This is one of those times where I think we just have to practice not taking things personally.  

    Firestorm:  Sounds like such a wonderful family visit!  My mom and sister are coming tomorrow from Texas.  I am so super excited to see them!! And at the same time, I am already sad that they will be leaving.  I know the week will go by so fast.  They leave the day after my next infusion.  I kind of planned it that way.  My sister was upset when she found out.  She said she wished she had been there when I was sick so she could have taken care of me.  It is hard breaking my pattern of not letting people help me.  Waitingforthenextstep:  I think that I also try to protect those around me, but the truth is I think it helps them more to give them an opportunity to help us.  Sadness always feels better when we can couple it with action.  I also wanted to tell you that I am also on Herceptin... and my doctor said that I will be on it for one full year.  Which is why I will have my port for a full year.  Sucks.  He told me that there really aren't any horrible SE - except I think what it does to your heart.  

    Timbek3:  Okay, I don't usually listen to country music (except for old county music) but one of my friends sent me this song.  You might have heard it, by Martina McBride.  But I love the line - "When you are weak, I'll be strong.. when you let go, I'll hold on" - I just love this sentiment so much more than people just telling me to be strong all of the time.  I have enough to worry about without being positive and strong all the time!  

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxIt70j_SPk&feature=em-share_video_user

    Martina Mcbride

    Cheryl:  Yes, a small percent of people lose their hair forever!!!  They call themselves, Taxotears.  I asked my onco about it, and he said it was a super small percent and not to worry about it.  So I have decided to try very hard to take his advice.  Our hair will grow back.  I just know it.  

    Hope everyone has a wonderful day with no SE!!!  

       

  • rsdavid
    rsdavid Member Posts: 34
    edited October 2012

    Jojo and Cindi - Thanks so much for your kind words.  it helps to think about it from their perspective - especially since none of us wants to be responsible for instilling fear in our children!  i will try the notes.  Whatever happens, she will always know how important she is to me, if I write it to her.

    Today, I am setting up a meeting with MO to see if I can continue with him at another clinic, or if i have to change docs.  prayers for strength and bravery, please!  I just feel as though the "commedy of errors" the day I had to be admitted to the hospital was too frightening.  It is one thing to be afraid of the chemicals.  It is a whole different experience to not trust the clinic personnel to "do the right thing".  If I had not seen the nurse NOT wash her hands prior to putting the gloves on to access my port,  my lack of immune system could have well killed me... and no one would have known why.  Because I "called" her on it, and asked her to wash her hands, she (and a few other of the nursing staff) treated me angrily, nearly "shunning" me.  this battle is too hard to battle the problems that clinic has, too.

    Ladies - we will get through this, because we are the only ones who can walk this road.  Thanks for being at my side!

    Sherrie

  • allurbaddayswillend
    allurbaddayswillend Member Posts: 355
    edited October 2012

    "I may not be the old me, but it's an OK me." <- that's about my best during this chemo experience. I wore my hair long as a kid. It was naturally curly then (only wavy after childbirth) and hard to control without length. I also got sick of hearing about it; I was identified by my hair so often - curly redhead. So I started shaving parts of it, or cutting it short or any variety of things - bleaching coloring. I think that little rebellion against cultural norms in hairdos, anyway, kind of helped prep me for looking in the mirror and seeing bald tired me. I don't think I'd be prepped for being one of the few who permanently lose hair from chemo, that would be awkward and difficult at the least... though I would try to have some fun with the wigs I guess. do what you gotta do and all.

     I nested yesterday and made a big pot of cabbage sloppy joe and pot of Kale & potato soup ( mild Caldo Verde) and a batch of waffles to freeze and have in days to come. My big brother is not like the one I read about last page. (sorry I forget who that was.) Seriously, the thought of him being able to help me out, HA! but who knows. My family is not so great at this kind of stuff until it's really hard core serious and then they do come through. So my mom said she can come and help out if I have to get the Neulasta shot. She already cares for my Dad so it's not an easy thing for her. Sisters? no way, too much in their lives even though they're empty nesters. Brother is a single parent. & pretty much no one can cook for me. I have one friend whose kitchen I trust because she eats gluten free. Since I get sick off of even a little bit of gluten, I can't just go and pick up any old restaurant food either. Talk about losing weight during chemo, Donna. me too. If what I have here isn't appealing to me, I'm usually SOL. well, enough complaining.

    #5 down, 7 to go! yeah!

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited October 2012

    Allurbad - I love your comment.  I feel on good days, I am an OK version too.  Funny to me when people call to ask me or my family how I am one of the comments they all seem to ask is "Has she lost her hair".   When we answer yes, then we hear "Oh, but she had such beautiful hair".

    Great for my spirits...NOT. 

  • allurbaddayswillend
    allurbaddayswillend Member Posts: 355
    edited October 2012

    jojo, I quoted that from Cindi just so credit goes where credit's due. Smile     ugh, sorry about the hair comments. People just don't know what to say sometimes. My own mother sticks her foot in her mouth with me almost every conversation since diagnosis. She and my father were bickering horribly during a card game with me of all things the first weekend of chemo back in June. I warned them & when they didn't stop I told them off and walked out. I could not deal with their dysfunction. My husband blew up last weekend. Our loved ones and friends should get their own forums or join this one to get a clue.

  • Amy4978
    Amy4978 Member Posts: 473
    edited October 2012

    Tomorrow brings me treatment #3... I am looking forward to the doc visit I am hoping for more good shrinkage news... but the following appt in the big girl chair being juiced up yeah not so much!

    My box of pain arrived today and deep within it was my neulasta shot... That will be the fun point of Thursday! I sure hope the bone pain isnt so bad this time. Its been a bitch!

    I got all my crock pot meals set and my kids are all set with camping trips and sleep overs for the weekend so I can rest... Nothing left to do but get some rest and get tomorrow rolling..

    Hope all of you are feeling great today!

    I will report my se's within a day or two..........

  • Cherioo
    Cherioo Member Posts: 305
    edited October 2012

    Jojo I think you look beautiful bald and I bet every other person on this forum looks beautiful as well. When my hair was shaved my kids watched and I told them mom is only going to be like this for a little while. My daughter said mom I love how you look and my husband as well has been very complementary .



    The one thing that is so hard for me is that I get so tired at times and I do not sleep at night at all but like all of you guys here we are getting closer everyday to completion .

  • whenlifegivesyoulemons
    whenlifegivesyoulemons Member Posts: 184
    edited October 2012

    Hair today, gone tomorrow.  

    A lot less traumatic than I thought.  Actually, I'd say thinking about it was a lot more painful than doing it.  Just like everything breast cancer-related, it all goes so much better when I know what's gonna happen, and have a say in it, so I feel in control.  Had a hair removal playlist ready, talked options with the stylist (close shave or super short pixie) and went for the pixie. For me it's all about choices and control.

    No more hairy pillows for this girl.  And I'm ok with that. 

    That said, I admit I can't stop looking in the mirror.  Who is that?!  

    I Am Not My Hair - India Arie.  So true. Give it a listen. 

  • Cherioo
    Cherioo Member Posts: 305
    edited October 2012

    Mariposa you look beautiful with the new cut . I love it

  • aliasismo
    aliasismo Member Posts: 16
    edited October 2012

    Treatment #2 is tomorrow. I'm feeling quite depressed; I've been "stress eating" for the last several days. I miss my thick hair. My scalp hurts. I hate this! I want to turn the clock back; I don't want to have to be strong!



    Okay, rant is over. If history repeats, I'll feel better mentally once the drip starts tomorrow.

  • sherbab
    sherbab Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2012

    Treatment #3 tomorrow - anxious but know once this one is done I will only have one more AC.....time seems to be moving really slow since I started treatments.

  • Cherioo
    Cherioo Member Posts: 305
    edited October 2012

    Sherbab how many treatments do you have total ?





  • sherbab
    sherbab Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2012

    Cherioo - 16 - 4 AC - every two weeks (tomorrow is #3) and then 12 Taxol and they will be weekly.  Tomorrow will be my 9 year wedding anniversary...oh what a way to spend it.  Looking forward to the 10 year when, if all goes according to plan, this will be just a crazy memory!  If my calculations are correct we are only one day apart.  How many treatments do you have?

  • florbo
    florbo Member Posts: 178
    edited October 2012

    Hi Ladies,

    I'm 7 days post-chemo FEC.  I'm feeling pretty well now.  The first day was horrible with lots of vomiting and dry heaving.  I had my Neulasta shot the next day and took a Claritin and Tylenol.  The last time I had chemo and Neulasta, I didn't do the Claritin and had really bad bone pain where I couldn't open my mouth and just laid around.  This time, the bone pain was nowhere close to last time.  I still feel a loe level nausea sometimes along with the metallic taste in my mouth.  Overall, I feel like I'm pregnant with morning sickness. 

  • florbo
    florbo Member Posts: 178
    edited October 2012

    Sherbab,

    Where are you getting your treatments?  I'm in the DFW area, too. 

  • sherbab
    sherbab Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2012

    Hi florbo - I am at Baylor Plano.  My MO is Manish Gupta and my PS is Jason Potter...how about you?

  • Cherioo
    Cherioo Member Posts: 305
    edited October 2012

    Sherbab. I am every two weeks 8 rounds then radiation . I should be done by Dec chemo then off to rads for a month

  • florbo
    florbo Member Posts: 178
    edited October 2012

    Hi Sherbab,

    I'm live in the Allen one street away from Plano.  I'm doing my treatments at Methodist Richardson Regional Cancer Center off of 190 and Renner.  My medical oncologist is Sam Bibawi, breast surgeon is Alison Laidley, radiologist Elizabeth Jekot, and PS is Jeff Krueger. Is Jason Potter in the same office as Krueger? 

  • sherbab
    sherbab Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2012

    florbo - yes, Potter and Krueger are in the same office.  Small world! 

  • kidsandlabs
    kidsandlabs Member Posts: 138
    edited October 2012

    Day three of trip. Beyond exhaust, I go get blood work today. My hair is starting to fall out and my scalp is so Itchy.

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited October 2012
    Good vibes to all going to the BGC today...Please let us know how you are doing.  Actually excited for Halloween this year, going to use the most of not having hair and dress up this time.  Cancer has made me want to "go crazy" a little more Smile
  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited October 2012

    Kidsandlabs -  I am in awe that you are traveling.  I traveled a week out of each month for my job prior to my cancer diagnosis and NO WAY could I do it now.  Just don't get to worn out!  Hugs

  • allurbaddayswillend
    allurbaddayswillend Member Posts: 355
    edited October 2012
    aliasismo, Amy4978, sherbab, and anyone else in the BGC today - Best of luck! I hope it all goes without SNAFUs and minimial SEs and kicks cancer's a$$!! I'll be thinking of you all.

    and sherbab, Congratulations on the 9 yr wedding anniversary! Sorry it's in the midst of this but still, good job!
  • butterfly14
    butterfly14 Member Posts: 253
    edited October 2012

    Good Morning - I haven't posted in awhile, but have a question. Had first chemo 9/25, neulasta shot on 9/26, I went for blood work yesterday and my white count was extremely low. My MO does not seem concerned, but I was curious if this is normal. I was lucky with side effects, with nausea and fatigue being the worst two.

    I also cut about 10 inches off of my hair and now have a chin length very curly bob, haven't had my hair this short since 1987. So far I have not lost any hair, my MO said 15 - 19 days from 1st chemo, this is day 8. My hair is dull and dry and my scalp is starting to itch, are these the first signs of hair loss?

    Thanks for any insight and I hope everyone has a great day.

    Carla 

  • Cindi74
    Cindi74 Member Posts: 363
    edited October 2012

    Hi Butterfly,  I'm on same A/C as you.  Hair started coming out in blizzard on day 10.  By day 21 I am almost a billard ball with a few stubbles.  Oh well,  the wig is more comfortable now.  I found towards the last that any pressure on stubblee caused sharp prick.  Am getting lots of complients on my hair (wig) which I try to put on i the mornig and not take off until bedtime.  It's pretty comfortable now, and less trouble than hair.  I have two that are similiar--but not exactly the same.

    My WBCs had crashed by the first week after chemo 1.  Ended up with one a day Neupogen shots for five days,  Had to go to clinic or hospital.  Ruined half a day each day.

    Lady next to me at Cancer Clinic now for chemo says White Tea in the white box helped her.  I'm going to try it.

    Hang in there.  hugs 

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited October 2012

    Cindi - a wonderful thing I love about my wigs is the humidity doesn't affect them! I fought with my hair for years on humid days. No worries now.

  • Mindy703
    Mindy703 Member Posts: 30
    edited October 2012

    this has probably been covered but i didnt read all the posts. My hair started falling out. I am 13 days post my first treatment, AC every other week. My question is...........I planned to get my head shaved but do not want to until the last minute. However, my hair is falling out all over the place. It is very thick though. Does anyone have advice or can share. How many days does it last from when it first starts really falling out until it comes all the way out?

    Mindy

  • butterfly14
    butterfly14 Member Posts: 253
    edited October 2012

    Cindy,Thanks for the response. They are going to do another blood count before my next chemo, I am hoping it goes up. I will try the white tea, also eating all kind of anti oxidant foods hoping it will help my immune system.

    Need to settle on a couple of wigs and head coverings.  

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