Sept 2012 chemo

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  • 7312012
    7312012 Member Posts: 14
    edited September 2012

    allurbaddayswilldend,

    I'm glad the fritos helped you too! I find them very satisfying if I need a little snack to curb the hunger.

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited September 2012

    Love the fritos info!  You have given new hope for treatment #3.

    Allurbad/Cindy - good luck, keep the positive attitude and great songs going! 

    Melrose - thanks for the NY Times link, that is the best one I have read so far.  I would fall into the Luminal group not sure if A or B.  I hope A cause the article states B's do not do well.

    Question to all - is there anyone else here who is ER+/HER- and grade 3?  My MO said ER+'s are usually not grade 3 so something else is "driving my cancer" which is unknown. 

  • whenlifegivesyoulemons
    whenlifegivesyoulemons Member Posts: 184
    edited September 2012

    Cindy:  good luck today.

    Twinsplus1:  Love the "Hair today, gone tomorrow" idea. Hope there are plenty of z's in your future tonight.

    Patricia:  ROCKIN' HAIR!  Love it.

    Bearcub:  First, have to tell you if I could move to Canada, it would be to BC.  Fell in love with the region, especially Vancouver Island. So much beauty.  Second, my wig lady wagged her finger at me and said, "whatever you do, DO NOT shave your head to the scalp."  Apparently that can trigger irritation and lots of unpleasant/unsightly red bumps.

    Kidsandlabs:  good luck Wednesday, you'll do fine - we've all got your back.

  • EnglishRose75
    EnglishRose75 Member Posts: 147
    edited September 2012

    Melrose and damiana--thanks for the beauty tips.  I asked my oncology nurse this morning again about the icing and Taxotere and she said there are absolutley no safety issues (I must admit, I've never heard of cancer of the fingers!) and since they've been doing this, they've never had anyone lose their nails. 

    Patricia- your hair is awesome!  I love it!

    I absolutely love my wig--it's very similar to my real hair, but much nicer, and I love not having to faf around with a blowdryer and straighteners in the mornings. I shaved all my hair off as soon as it started falling out but I still have quite alot of stubble after three rounds and in some places it looks like it might even be growing a bit.

    Had a really bad come down off the steroids this time.  Ended up SCREAMING at my husband for something totally insignificant and not his fault (I apologised profusely afterwards!) Must put myself in solitary confinement next time!

    Good luck to everyone starting chemo today or tomorrow.  Try not to worry too much. You'll be fine.  Hope everyone else is doing OK too.

    I had my last round of FEC last Wednesday and I feel pretty much normal now, aside from some mouth problems which have happened every time and I'm now used to.

  • patriciahurtado
    patriciahurtado Member Posts: 489
    edited September 2012

    Cindy74 i hope the list would stop but if it dosent we sure have a lot of support for everyone im 39 with a mind of a 25 lol and a heart of a 2 yearl old!!!

  • Foreverchanged72612
    Foreverchanged72612 Member Posts: 223
    edited September 2012

    Welcome all the newbies...so sorry you're here but here is so helpful.

     @patricia and jojo: your hair photos are so great! You look beautiful.

     I like hearing all these good things about the Look Good Feel Better programs! I'm registered to go to one tomorrow. I am getting a wig sometime this week. It's going to be short like my hair now. I haven't lost much yet but now that I've said that I'm probably pushing my luck!!

     Treatment number 3 yesterday. On my first treatment I had an allergic reaction to the Taxol. That was the reason I got a prescription to take steroids the night before. And it worked for Treatment 2 however yesterday, I started feeling the same reaction coming on and the nurse stopped the infusion and then looked closer and asked me if the symptoms were stopping. I said yes. Hmm, she said. Is it possible I was having an anxiety attack? She explained that before the Taxol the iv is flushed with 10cc's of saline. At the point that she stopped it, only 6.8cc's had passed. The Taxol hadn't hit my system yet!! So, anxiety...yeah, how should I be dealing with that? She gave me an Ativan and then started up the Taxol again and I fell asleep and there were no problems.  I am going to start looking into taking a meditation class or something to learn to do before they start the Taxol. Obviously I'm subconsciously anxious still about that allergic reaction I had so I'm going to have learn something to calm myself down.

     I was having sleep issues, too, because of the amount of steroids I have been given. Yesterday my doctor prescribed Zopiclone. Wow. What a difference a full night's rest makes!! I imagine I'm still feeling a high from the steroids but I feel fantastic after having a full 8 hours sleep!

  • kidsandlabs
    kidsandlabs Member Posts: 138
    edited September 2012

    Thanks everyone, all of your posts are great. I knew the day was coming, now that it is here (tomorrow) really anxious, overwhelmed - everything is hitting at once.

  • rsdavid
    rsdavid Member Posts: 34
    edited September 2012

    Okay - thanks to your encouraging words, i called MO's "nurse navigator".  She added a note to my file that my blood draws are to be taken from my port.  I will just remember to stay well-hydrated!!

    Thanks,Sherrie

  • EnglishRose75
    EnglishRose75 Member Posts: 147
    edited September 2012

    Right, that's it.  I'm sick of all this healthy living, superfoods, exercise, alcoholic abstinence.  I'm ordering myself a huge pizza, with lots of red meat and extra grease.  And I might even have a glass of red wine too.  Sod it!

  • EnglishRose75
    EnglishRose75 Member Posts: 147
    edited September 2012

    Right, that's it.  I'm sick of all this healthy living, superfoods, exercise, alcoholic abstinence.  I'm ordering myself a huge pizza, with lots of red meat and extra grease.  And I might even have a glass of red wine too.  Sod it!

  • whenlifegivesyoulemons
    whenlifegivesyoulemons Member Posts: 184
    edited September 2012

    English rose:  Right on!  To hell with kale, and all those damn super foods.  I've been a super healthy eater, and exerciser most of my life so when I got the diagnosis I told people not to send cards and flowers - send some good old fashioned highly processed, man-made TWINKIES and HO-HOs instead!  

    Truth be told, I can't bring myself to eat them... 

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited September 2012

    YIPPEE English Rose!!!

  • EnglishRose75
    EnglishRose75 Member Posts: 147
    edited September 2012

    Pizza consumed. Am feeling mildly repentent, but it was worth it. Extra blueberries tomorrow! And a bucket of flax seed.

    I've always been a pretty healthy eater too--lots of veggies, not much red meat, not a big dessert fan.  I'm active, a little plump around the edges maybe but not massively overweight.  I like a decent glass of wine but I'm not a rampant drinker. No history of breast/ovarian cancer in the family. Just goes to show that it's a complete crap shoot.

    Whenlife: I lived in the States for 10 years (Boston), and I never actually knew what twinkies and ho-hos were.  I just knew that they were something that probably contained that artifical shaving foam style cream and other additives that belong only in laboratories (and cops ate them?). I now regret having never had that cultural experience.

  • whenlifegivesyoulemons
    whenlifegivesyoulemons Member Posts: 184
    edited September 2012

    English rose:  I'd be happy to send you a box of Twinkies so you can cross that off your list.  Their shelf life is well beyond yours and mine so freshness isn't a shipping factor.

    I realized through all of this, after sifting through all those breast cancer risk factors I didn't have, wondering how this could possibly happen, that the most important risk factor for breast cancer is.... (ready?)  HAVING BREASTS

  • Cindi74
    Cindi74 Member Posts: 363
    edited September 2012

    For the first time since chemo, I am back to my old  4-6 hour sleeping waking up several times in the night.  This is normal for me for maybe 30 years.  Now I read that the latest research shows people who don't sleep much are more likely to reocur.  Never use an alarm, and usually feel great when I wake up, ( not exactly now of course.)    I HATE lying in bed in the dark trying to go to sleep.  Much rather be on the computer, read or watch TV.  Don't take pills.  Am thinking how to handle it.

  • EnglishRose75
    EnglishRose75 Member Posts: 147
    edited September 2012

    Whenlife: Great! And I'd also like some A1 steak sauce, some corn bread mix, a crate of spaghetti squash and some proper ziploc bags, none of which I can get over here.  I'll send you some marmite and a statue of William and Kate as trade?

  • Cindi74
    Cindi74 Member Posts: 363
    edited September 2012

    Hey blueberry eaters.  I understood my chemo nurse to say nothing raw unless I peeled, and then no ripe tomatoes or such.  Will ask Dr. tomorrow as I am confused on this.  Maybe because we eat out so much?  What have others learned.  I was told, I think, to stick to hot, cooked foods.  Also, for any tea or cola with caffine, I should add that much water to my daily gallon.

  • Cindi74
    Cindi74 Member Posts: 363
    edited September 2012
    Englishrose, On my bucket list has been a visit to the beautiful local of Dr. Martin.  It's down north of Landsend, I think.  Have you been  there?  I want to take the train from Dover, stopping at historical sites along the way.  I don't think you are near that route, but maybe I can bring you a bottle of A1 and some baggies.
  • twinsplus1
    twinsplus1 Member Posts: 43
    edited September 2012

    So doc says to try the lunesta with ativan tonight and no compazine.  FINGERS CROSSED!

  • butterfly14
    butterfly14 Member Posts: 253
    edited September 2012

    Kidsandlabs and Justine - just had first chemo this morning, much easier than I thought. Met with the MO first, then I went in to infusion room, nurse was very sweet.

    So far, just a little nausea, but nothing too bad. I need to go in for the shot tomorrow and my MO told me to take a claratin and an alieve.

     They both siggested cutting hair short, said it will come out in clumps,he estimated that I have 15-21 days for hair to fall out. Any suggestions, as this is my normal hair style. Cut short then shave or just shave it off?

     

  • Mariposa123
    Mariposa123 Member Posts: 267
    edited September 2012

    Hi everyone!

      I totally can relate to the conversation about being healthy.  I have been eating organic foods, eat Kale at least twice a week, never drink or do drugs , stay lean, do yoga - and I got cancer.  While those I know who eat fast food, drink, and smoke do not have cancer.  Not that I want anyone to have cancer, I am just a bit aggravated.   Since chemo, I have just been eating whatever my body wants.  Seems like all the foods I normally eat sound completely yucky.

      My tummy feels a bit better - but now I have new SEs.  My mouth and tongue are a super mess!  I got a prescription for Nystatin which is helping.  It feels like I gargled with razor blades.  (Which made eating the pizza I had for lunch difficult).  My nose was runny now it is dry and kind of bloody.  Yuck.  And the last one that I am the most worried about is whenever I stand up,  I get this radiating lower back pain.  Anyone else struggling with these???  

      

  • Cocobean
    Cocobean Member Posts: 135
    edited September 2012

    Thank you for the advice. I ended up going to the clinic today for I.V. fluids, meds, and steroids. Also saw my MO and he is adjusting my meds and getting a new game plan for the next treatment. He is also sending me back to the clinic tomorrow for more I.V. fluids. Thankfully I am feeling better, just a bit of nausea....much better than this morning when I drove to the clinic with my 3 year old's diaper in my pants and plastic bags on my lap....sorry if that's tmi, but geez it was a rough few days. My doc gave me a standing order to go get fluids anytime I need them. Right now I am just hoping I continue to feel better and the med adjustments do the trick. Maybe because the first treatment was so awful, the next five will seem like a walk in the park...fingers crossed!



    Thanks for all the good feedback on the Look Good Feel Better program, i just registered for one in a couple weeks. Looking forward to it.





    One more thing....I get all of my blood draws from my port, i love it. My nurses have been really great, but i have only gotten it done at the cancer clinic, i am not sure what will happen when i go to the hospital. I was told to call ahead and make sure there is someone who knows how to access the port. So sorry anyone would be getting a hard time about that.

  • SallyO
    SallyO Member Posts: 35
    edited September 2012

    RSDAVID   The port can be used for blood draws. the chemo nurse is probably concerned about infection.  Also a tech can draw from a vein but a nurse has to do the port.  Depends on policy of institution.  Draws from ports are more expensive, time of nurse, equipment etc.  Purpose of port is so they don't have to use veins.....??

    MELROSEmelrose:  Port are placed in a large vein as  compared to other external veins.  Sometimes it can be diffictult to get a blood flow at first but if the nurse knows her stuff she will be able to get it to work!!!!  If you did not have enough fluids in your system it would be harder to get blood from a small hand vein or any other  for that matter.!!! 

  • allurbaddayswillend
    allurbaddayswillend Member Posts: 355
    edited September 2012
    jojo, My tumor was stage 1 Grade 3. I'm not sure why your MO would say that. I've never heard or read that anywhere and it seems a little bit of a marginal opinion...?
    "tumor grade does have prognostic significance and is primarily used to make decisions for lymph node-negative patients with borderline tumor sizes."  http://theoncologist.alphamedpress.org/content/9/6/606.full     My tumor was barely less then 2cm so with that and grade, I was recommended for chemo.

    Cindi, I eat some raw things as long as I can wash them fairly well. Blueberries, cherries, peaches (washed then peeled), apples, cucumber (washed and peeled), melons (thoroughly washed!), red and green peppers.  Blueberries I put in a large bowl and actually do use a drop of dishsoap in there and a splash of vinegar then fill with water and toss them around a bit, let them sit for a few minutes and then, rinse rinse rinse. No guarantees but I did a little research on it before chemo and good washing and some vinegar for a couple minutes takes care of most bacteria. If my white blood cells do start dropping during chemo, then I'll revisit my food safety situation. great article and links here: https://www.caring4cancer.com/go/cancer/nutrition/questions/neutropenic-diet-questions.htm           and when in doubt, I take a basket of fruit (and maybe veggies) to people - I am cautious about giving out sweets myself because people could have allergies, intolerances, diabetes, be dieting, whatever. Fruits and Veggies are usually a good conscientious choice imho, maybe not perfect, but it shows some thinkin'.

    Patricia, sweet 'do!

    EnglishRose, you're spot on. I'm planning pizza with the works for Friday or Saturday, whichever day my appetite is lowest. Pizza STILL tastes good then. Sod it! is right.

    when life gives you lemons, yep, having breasts does seem to be the greatest risk factor. well done! Nobel Prize time! Wink
  • SallyO
    SallyO Member Posts: 35
    edited September 2012

    RSDAVID   The port can be used for blood draws. the chemo nurse is probably concerned about infection.  Also a tech can draw from a vein but a nurse has to do the port.  Depends on policy of institution.  Draws from ports are more expensive, time of nurse, equipment etc.  Purpose of port is so they don't have to use veins.....??

    MELROSEmelrose:  Port are placed in a large vein as  compared to other external veins.  Sometimes it can be diffictult to get a blood flow at first but if the nurse knows her stuff she will be able to get it to work!!!!  If you did not have enough fluids in your system it would be harder to get blood from a small hand vein or any other  for that matter.!!! 

  • aliasismo
    aliasismo Member Posts: 16
    edited September 2012

    I think I'm catching a cold.  Aaaargh.  Should I be worried?  Have any of you caught colds?  If this has already been discussed, my apologies; I blame it on chemo-brain.

    Tomorrow I see my MO for another blood test.  Hopefully my white blood cell count is back up and they're busy at work fighting off this cold.

  • usmcblondie25
    usmcblondie25 Member Posts: 10
    edited September 2012

    Got my port today, it hurt much more then I expected. It feels like I have a pulled muscle in my neck, ouch! I start my chemo on Friday. AC*4, then T*4. Her2 results were inconclusive so FISH testing is being done to get my final results. Ready to get started and get this process over with!

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited September 2012

    Thank allurbad for the info. I see you are same as me. Is it true though that most er/pr+ her- are grade 2or 1? Have you been reading the new genetic info? We are either luminal a or b now.



    Butterfly, oh such beautiful hair! For me it was easier to go shorter and shorter gradually. I buzzed after I saw bald spots.

  • rsdavid
    rsdavid Member Posts: 34
    edited September 2012

    Mariposa - Funny, i was just regretting all the years of stress that I allowed into my life - along with poor diet and weight gain.  Now, I realize, that I have breast cancer because i have breasts!!!!  Some of the stress was non-negotiable, but the extra (coping) carbs could have been.  i just encourage my sister to continue her clean, healthy, excercising good life and figure out how to get myself on track.  In the meantime, pineapple and pickled beets seem to be the only thing I can eat (and taste) so they are filling in where the baked potato cannot.  Oh, and chocolate tastes really terrible right now!  SO NOT FAIR!

    Some of this is just crap.

    BTW, my back pain was across the small of my back and across my shoulder blades.  it felt like someone was periodically hitting the bone with a pickaxe.  It took four days of pain pills while mine subsided. 

    Sherrie 

  • Toastiecat
    Toastiecat Member Posts: 132
    edited September 2012

    Hello,

    I went to the Look Good Feel Better program today. It was very nice. We spent most of the time on the makeup, and only a few minutes on head wraps...I was hoping to see a bunch of ways to do those, but oh well. Back to youtube. Here are a few head wrap tutorials that I've found that I like, in case anyone else is looking:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCHVW-...

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=sspRAX...

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMGsLL...

    For the running list, I'm in NYC, self diagnosed, stage 1, and 28 years old.

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