Trunk LE- Suggestions? What works for you?
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" ....a maxi pad in a sports bra sounds like a really bad idea to me--too much possibility of cutting off lymph flow with the uneven pressure. You don't want to crush the lymph vessels ..."
THX Binney.Yeah, it sounded like a stupid idea to me too. Pretty much what I did in the first place with an ice pack I owe that BS $2400.00 . Why they hell did I have an NP call me ????!
It IS a good idea to wear a sports bra though, right ? I have no worn a bra in 5 mos. PLS tell me.THX
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Connie
I know JUST how you feel right now.
I just hope and pray this does not get any worse for *any * of us. I guess that has to be our focus now.... Hope, pray, learn and do our very best for preventing further edema.I really wanted cancer to be on the back burner some day, but I just feel like LE will always be a constant 'front burner situation' - a nasty and flagrant reminder.
We MUST laugh in the face it it ...somehow, some way because otherwise , it feels so much like is is taunting me ( us ?)
I'll let you know when I figure out how to do it.
Best wishes to you , sister.
A very special thank you to all the LE ladies for all their support.
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Purple, yes, a sports bra that fits well could be helpful. Make sure the straps are wide enough not to cut into your shoulder. It should be comfortable. LE doesn't like pain. (That's about all LE and I agree about!
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Rest well tonight!
Binney -
Thank you, Binney.
I'll get that bra on today. I am so pi$$ed off that my Harvard trained BS could not spot this when I went for my post op and pointed it out to her ...and that some ladies on the internet had to walk me through this whole thing.
Send me your bill .THX
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Hey Purple,
You are only 4 months post-op, and its more likely still healing.
But do not discount the possibility of swelling due to lymph damage. If l were where u are, i would ask for an evaluation by a lymphedema specialist, even if to get a baseline measurement. I bypassed my BC team, called the physical therapy/rehab dept to make sure an LE trained person was there and then asked my pcp's nurse. She didnt hesitate and l was in, in less than a week.
Good luck and keep moving.
Connie -
THX Connie
I dunno' They say 6-12 weeks for ' normal' post surgical swelling.
Anyhow, I used a camisole sports bra today . It was sort of in line with compression ( I had bought it afew yrs back to smooth out the gut :>) I removed the underwire that was in it. The bra area was all smooth with no seams. It was NOT one bit tight and had wide straps. Just got home and lifted it up for a quick view.
IF anything, I would say things look just a bit worse/ mopre pinkinsh etc ..than w/out bra.
Dont think there is a LE specialist in my area, Connie.
THX
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Purple, MA is particularly rich in LE therapists. Here's how to find one near you:
http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Finding_a_Qualified_Lymphedema_Therapist.htmHugs,
Binney -
WOW!
You are truly a gem, Binney ... I've got two just minutes from me!
Thanks so much. -
Have one of these on order. Here's hoping.
It's a Bolero Breathable Short Compression Vest/Bra With Short Sleeves. Anybody have any expirience with them?
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Sorry Cindy, no experience with the Bolero short sleeve vest - the breathable feature sounds nice. Be sure to give us a review.
Connie: I kept thinking while reading your posts, HYDRATION. Drink lots of water. Helps dilute the lymph. You probably already knew that.
What helps my truncal symptoms (besides the Bali compression garment they call a torset which requires wearing your own bra OR my Under Armour shirts, not both at the same time!) is going to an exercise class in the pool. The hydrostatic pressure along with the lycra/spandex content of the swimsuit is a good combination. I've even managed to drop a few pounds by participating twice a week for the past several months.
Hey purple, how are you doing? Just noticed in my own signature that I consider Sept 18 to be my LE anniversary...
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Wow Cindy...I thought I saw everything but somehow i missed that one.
Please let us know how it works for you....
Im still good with the bras i bought in NY&Co.....24/7 but im good.
Good luck with it.
hugggggggs K
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Hiu vinrph.
I'm doing!
Meant to call a LE specialist today and left all the phone numbers at home (aaargh!)
Calling tomorrow.we shall see !
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About hydration, No, i didnt know that either, but im a pretty regular water drinker already. And replace electrolytes if i work outside.
Im wondering if its been swollen ever since surgery in 2007. I have notes that say i was concerned about the breast back then. In 09, My BS tapped her chin and said, you might have a touch of lymphedema in there. Thats all. Nothing.
Then i was swimming and doing better than i am now. Also, in 2010, flew to Tucson from Fla and back. My notes say that breast was tight feeling for weeks after we got home.
AND every mammo has been a swelling event, and even that team is doing damage.
I dont want to know, not right now anyway. Thats too much info.
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Connie ( et al)
This is my primary concern right now :
"AND every mammo has been a swelling event, and even that team is doing damage. "
I am due for a DX mammo next month. I am VOWING ot to do anything intentional to make this worse. Common sense tells me this compression will be a problem.Feedback please?
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Dejaboo
I am so sorry for your pain. At this time, pain has not been an issue for me (yet ?) At least not with LE.
I do have some other chronic conditions, and I will tell you, it is difficult to have an " invisible problem" - dont get much compassion and you begin to feel like a whiner (NOT!)
Stick with us ladies, a *new* LE therpaist and possibly a cancer support group if looking for compassion. I am sorry to say your friends just might not ' get it "
gentle((((HUGS)))) -
June--Finally got the Siskin info.
Their support group meetings are every other month. The next one is in Nov. They meet at One Siskin Plaza in Chattanooga on the first floor in the Outpatient Conference Room. Meetings are from 6-7.
The topic of the next meeting on November 8 is: You! Come and help educate the student LE therapists. It is sponsored by JUZO.
You can call one of the therapists at 423-634-1200 for more info.
Let us know if you ever go to a meeting.
Becky
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Hi Cindyl, I think the bolero you ask about is one that I have tried. Here's what I wrote about in another thread when I first got it (in early august):
"Design Veronique short sleeve bolero
www.lymphedemaproducts.com/pro...
Pros: 1) The bolero comes in a large range of sizes, with 3 rows of eyes/hooks in the front and 3 rows of eyes/hooks in the back, so chest/bust wise, most people would probably be able to find a size that fits. 2) The garment is made of nylon/spandex, but felty cotton material lines the sides of the garment (5" wide panel), the rows of eyes/hooks and the wide elastic band at the bottom. 3) There is space for breasts, and on me, there isn't gapping at the breast bone or flattening.
Cons: 1) According to the chart, bicep-wise, I should have ordered an extra small, but I ordered a small instead because that is what my chest needed. Nonetheless, the biceps are quite tight on me, and would cause double compression when worn with a sleeve. Strangely, the upper arm isn't that tight, so I plan on cutting the arms to just overlap with my sleeve. 2) There are 16 small hooks/eyes on the front, and 19 hooks/eyes on the back. Anyone with hand issues is likely to have a hard time doing them, as is anyone who is wearing a compression glove. I found it impossible to do the hooks/eyes with my hand wrapped, and my husband had difficulty doing it. 3) Contrary to the description, the axilla isn't lined in cotton, and there are (flat) seams where the arm meets the body of the garment."
Since writing that, I have used it a few times in various ways. Rather than cut the fabric of the arm, I merely took the seam out to the point that the bolero sleeve overlaps by an inch or so with the top of my day garment sleeve. My trunk LE is mild, but I find that the bolero doesn't seem to provide enough compression where I need it (side/axilla/back) when I wear it by itself. I tried putting the Solaris swell spots that I own (dorsal pad, ax pad) in the bolero, but they don't cover enough of the right territory and are a bit too thick.
After several days of being increasingly sore (probably because of a long flight), I wore the bolero over a (huge) Jovipak Axilla Pad (P-AX). I'm not sure why, but when I first put it on, I felt a bit naseous (tight corset syndrome?). It made my side feel better, but shoving the arm portion of the P-AX into the bolero made the upper arm of the bolero too tight and after about 8 hours I took it off and my arm was a bit swollen and I haven't tried the combo since.
That said, the one day of bolero/P-AX combo seems to have done my side some good and, since then I have just been wearing the Jovipak P-AX under compression T-shirts, and my side is behaving. If I have another bad trunk day, I think I will try using a big honking piece of Komprex 2 under the bolero
Sorry for the length, but I hope this helps! KS1
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KS1 - yes it does. I've got one on order, after having returned the first one because it was too small. We'll see if it fits. I think it might be just what I need as I don't have much of a problem with my arm, mostly with my trunk and the compression tees aren't quit right either. I'll keep you all posted.
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Thank Goodness l got a trained LE therapist. She answers, as far as l can tell, honestly about everything l have asked.
I havent asked... How the hell do l wiggle into these things? Seems that struggling into it ought to count for calories used. Im not a little girl. And I've been a D cup (or larger since 9th grade). I tried to try on an "Assets" at target just for a cami, and if l had been in a good mood it probably would have been really funny. But l was not and it was insulting. And yes they have it online in the largest size they carry. Aaaarrrrrggghh.
Today l went to my psycho therapist, she said go for a quality garment or you will have wasted whatever you spend because it will be uncomfortable and you won't wear it. She is so right about that. Shes the only medical professional who has been with me consistently since all this started. -
Connie07
I am new to this little hell ride ( I refuse to call any of this crap a journey) , but I dunno'.
I tried a sports bra, then an expensive compression garments I had here that fits very nicvely ( dont recall the name/ bought yrs ago to hold in the gut!) and both made my breast LE look worse. I practically LIVE in Kmart tank tops with the built in sports bra, with bloues over. I am starting to feel like it's my costume (UGH) .I have them in every color.
They don't compress, (but) they dont leave marks , they just seem to ' leave well enough alone'.
Everyone is different and at a different stage, but for now, this is my LE costume!
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I should respond to the subject of the OP.
THIS is what helps me a bit :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SnayHG-AaQ -
I have an appointment with a lymph massage therapist tomorrow. Not covered by insurance, so I will be paying the $60 per session. Hope she's a miracle worker.
Not much progress on the compression front. My expensive Bellisse bra just hurts too much. Got an under armour t-shirt yesterday, when I feel up to wrestling I'm going to try that out - probably later today.
I got a "Cool comfort - especially for you" bra from TLC and it seems like the microbeads on that side are providing a little compression, the straps are nice and wide, and the side comes up over my axilla puff. So far, it's the most comfortable thing I have found. But when I take it off I do have redness at the bottom elastic on the bad side.
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Diana, TAKE SOMEONE WITH YOU. I woulda shoulda but didnt, regret. DH would be the obvious choice and the most likely not to go, but when they see what it does & how to do it, not only can they help you out like, do your back, but they can show someone else how to help you.
I've decided, made an appointment with a shop where ive been fitted before, for Tuesday.
One day at a time.
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Diana, that looks like a comfortable bra. Does the redness (or marks from the bottom band) stay for a long time, or does it fade pretty quickly? Do take everything you've bought with you tomorrow and check out the fit with the therapist. Hoping it goes really well! Keep us posted, please
Connie, brava for you!
I know you don't feel brave, but you really are living out some amazing courage. You're an inspiration!
Big, gentle hugs,
Binney -
Thanks Purple.
I have been wearing my softer bra for a week+ at night...I think it might be helping a little...its hard to tell. Since it helps the pain always when I wear it...if I have a bra on 24/7...Hard to tell if its helping or not...I am in alot of pain when I take it off to shower though...or when I am just switching bras still.
I will need to find a tag to see what brand bra it is...The bra has no tags & doesnt even say who its by on the band.
The bra I prefer during the day is a Balance Collection sports bra that I found at TJ Maxx. I bought 2 & have not been able to find them again. The side compression is very good...They also five one alittle breast shap...Not a squished flat look.
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Dejaboo - These?
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Interesting new bra here:
http://www.postopbra.com/product.phpIt's for surgery recovery, but it sure looks interesting, yes? OneBadBoob ordered one so we could give it a review with LE in mind, and I have an email into them asking a bunch of questions about it, so we'll let you know what we discover. (I so want it to be amazingly comfortable and effective, y,know?!!
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Anybody tried it?
Binney -
Coolp[acks ?!
Wow, Binney. Intriguing!
please keep us informed and thank you!
I have a question RE: LE therapist.I made my appt ., but when I called , I asked for the LANA cert therapist. The appt. time was not a time I could that come in , and it is ALWAYS in the morning ( not good for my job) . I spoke at length to the other therpaist and she assured me that she was older and had many more yrs exp. but just decided not to take the LANA test. I am not really concerned since I am FINALLY getting someobody to look at my breast ! Should I be ?!
ALSO....do any of you with breast LE get MRIs instead of mammos ? THAT I am concerned about.Many thanks for any replies.
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Purple, my therapist is not LANA certified either, but she is well trained (way more than 135 hours of specifically LE training, and lots of years of experience). Many very good therapists don't choose to take the LANA test because it doesn't actually get them anything. It costs a lot of money, insurance doesn't recognize it, and no state requires it. Mine doesn't want to be listed on the LANA site because she's already got a waiting list that's three months out and she doesn't want it to get any longer. Let us know how it goes!
Binney
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