Alternative Treatment

I juice every day, have now for 5 years since my heartach.  except the other day I disn't drink all the juice I made so I didn't juice the next day, just drank that.  gary says to eat 3 apples a day.  that doesn't compute here, too heavy to carry 21 apples a week, & I doubt if the market would even have that many organics. & I don't want to take everything anyway.  there are other people in this community

by the way that's best anti-inflamatory oils in a spice 

Momine-asking a question is "challenging" here. Get with the program! 

I drink aloe vera juice every day. It was recommended to me as a solution to the gastric symptoms I was having from tamoxifen. It doesn't taste very good by itself, so I mix it with OJ and pretend I'm having a tequila sunrise. It's worked for me for over 2 1/2 years. I know there are other benefits, but I'm not really up on what they are.

googled aloe vera & got natural news/aloe topic, it's alkaline & that's a good thing for us.  the man who wrote the article has an aloe farm & shows how to prepar, filet, the leaf.  he uses a huge leaf every day in his smoothie

Essa,

If you had lymph node cancer, you would have lymphoma.  It would be a different protocol.  That's at least part of the reason that we identify cancer by its point of origin, rather than its current location. 

It's just so silly to argue about this. Everyone refers to their cancer in what ever way they want to. Sometimes people use a different venacular. You'll find this lady mentions being a seven time cancer survivor of breast, brain, lung, liver, bone. It's all metastatic breast cancer but she calls it seperate cancers. I've been to several of her speaking engagements and not one single time has someone called her out on how she refers to her diagnosis.

http://www.ccsevents.ca/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFL_12_?sid=1181&type=fr_informational&pg=informational&fr_id=1061

Edited to remove name from appearing on search engine. Provided link instead.

Not cool to start arguments. Our dear Essa has a lot on her plate. Let's just take a breath.

My DIL has non-Hodgkins lymphoma.  It is very slow-growing luckily!

multi center study?????

Gracie1 et al,

Since the currently accepted terminology refers to the spread of bc to other organs as mets to the liver, bone, brain etc., it behooves us to use that since it is more specific with regards to the type of cancer one has. Liver cancer, bone cancer etc. are very different animals. Even if the person you referred to is using older terms, that doesn't make it correct. Language evolves and the more clear and specific we can be, the easier it is to understand. No argument, no semantic quibbling. I have bone mets but do not have bone cancer nor am I treated as one would treat a bone cancer patient. Ths terminology makes the situation clearer and avoids misunderstandings.

Caryn

Excellent, gracie1. Then you understand that it's more than the use of a different vernacular, it's incorrect. I think that when we are talking about bc it's important to be precise. Saying we have liver or lymph node cancer muddies the already confusing world of bc.

Caryn

You would have to read the recent studies to see removing cancerous nodes makes no difference in survival whether treated or not. The recent studies just reconfirm older studies done before chemo or hormone blocking. Same result.

Don't try to wing it with logic or supposition because the premises about the nodes have been proven wrong.

You need to read the evidence first, reason later.

Good luck.

Logic is by definition an extropolation from observation and evidence.

My point is you were winging it without having r e a d the literature. You skipped over the observation (reading) part. Thus, the suggestion to read first, reason second.

I can't assess your level of interest in the subject of axillary node dissection unless you have actually read the full text literature. If you are sincerely interested you can start with Guiliano et al and work back through the history of the procedure from the references at the end of the study. This will take a few days to track down the prior research. This is not an investigation done by a quickie google search.

If you're not interested in reading, I'm sure others will pursue this line of research. It would be nice to reduce the rate of lymphedema from 50% to 5% by omitting an ineffective surgical procedure.

Blessings on this beautiful day!

I did not get the nap but a good night of sleep helped.  I stand by my decision to never defend my choices in the alt forums, and that means answering questions to those who prefer their conventional choices. I don't think I was cranky, just setting boundaries. If someone cares to know why I choose what I choose, take time to get to know me, read my posts, I am quite clear.

Momine, I went back and took the bold out of my words (noted as a edit, to be fair to the discussion) I am sorry the bold lettering must have seemed like a slap, I do regret that.

I don't think I was cranky at all.  Not now, looking back.  I didn't see alt vultures at all either.  But definitely an arguement.  I started it, I apologize.

NattyGroves - I was so naive when this started.  I did have the first node surgery in Nov 2011, sorry I ever did.  And it cannot be cut out anyway.  A tumor, yes, cancer in the nodes, not so much.  It is systemic through and through.  Which is why some choose chemo, some choose alt or traditional supplementation and tx.  

BREAST CANCER IN LYMPH NODES -- One more time, at first I said I have lymph node cancer from the breast cancer.  A statement written quickly, and definitely the way I see it.  I said the dr knew exactly where it started when consulting.  I have also said I stand corrected on the way this needs to be written -  the cancer is breast cancer w matching cells in the lymph nodes.  The correction was made not once but twice now, the fact is clear, we would not want a newbie to get confused, I understand that. 

In the alternatve world, what drives the cancer is the fact of uncontrolled cancer (immune system not working from gitgo, whatever reason).  Not where.  Whether in bones, nodes, liver, the tx is the same in many respects, not like the drug choices. 

btw, my daughter is good, still shaking emotionally, but good, no harm.  If she had been wearing her seat belt while doing her job, she would have been crushed in the front seat when the car rolled three times.  I wanted her to always wear her seatbelt, now I want to learn to let go of wanting to control her safety.  It's two days later, and after seeing the car, I am still shaking and did my crying, took me awhile to come out of shock mode. 

LOVEEssa (Diane Essa)

Sentinel node biopsies and lymph node removal. This curves to alt and conventional so bear with....

I have not read the literature, some info is all.  I will read the links when I have time this weekend. 

My experience / belief with the sentinel node biopsies is this - the surgeon / onc / dr heading our team (I had a surgeon) should do more than a sentinel node injection to determine if there are nodes to remove.  They depend on doing a re-excison for breast margins, but not for the nodes if there is more than one positive.  Point is, they depend on a secodn and even third surgery when they could be more prepared.  In the meantime, the patient is left with cancer nodes.  They were going to be treated anyway for cancer, most by conventional chemo or radiation.  

Btw, radiation to the axilla?  Seriously, with the main artery there, I was told they could not even do the cryoablation or radioablation.   Those are more alt but actually running in the conv tx now, getting mro exposure, thankfully, the txs are merging for us.

But my point is the sentinel node should not even be done. 

The PET CT scan needs to be done on anyone before they are undergoing surgery fo any  cancer.  Where, what, how bog, all the questions answered first.  I found that the PET CT done for me, though invasive, was a fact finder I definitely needed.  And it was not done before my surgery.  So from Nov to July, not knowing the cancer was in my nodes.

Now that I know more on alternative cancer tests, I would have the thermogram, the BIA, the AMAS, the Navarro urine test.  The blood tests, and then the PET CT if anything in the first choices read cancer.  Then I would know where, how much, how large, like I do now.

But to no end would I choose chemo or radiation or more node surgery.  It has to be dealt with but thoroughly, systemically, systematically and indefinitely.  That is where alternative choosers often are confused.  There is no light-weight to this, there is no end. 

LOVEEssa