Struggling to stay positive
I used to love the nighttime. Loved lying in bed and getting sleepy and then drifting off to sleep. Since my dx night time is the worst time for me. I lie awake and think my negative thoughts. "Why me?" "How can this be happening?" I am still in shock from being dx. I always thought bc or any cancer happened to other people and I would think "Oh man that would be so terrible" Now here I am in this club I did not ask to join along with all of you. I try to stay positive that i will survive this for awhile but I read about some women who are 5 and even 10 years out who are active and healthy then BAM they move to stage 4. WTH?? So I guess being healthy doesn't matter? Are some women more prone to mets just by their genetic makeup or do we have ANY control over whether we get mets? I have had lower spine/tailbone pain for a week. I have been lifting boxes all week from 1 pallet to another so maybe that's it? As I sit here at work my lower back is a dull ache. I don't see my onc until October. He always runs a blood test but I have never had tumor markers checked. I don't know why he does not do them, but I will ask at my next appointment which may end up being sooner than October. I just feel like "Whats the point of doing anything?" Why go to school? Why try to pay my bills? I feel like I will be gone in another year or two. At night I almost get physically ill because I think I have BC and it's going to kill me, I am going to die from this. During the day I have more to distract my mind but at night.... it's so bad. I wish someone would just say to me "You're going to be ok". I feel like I have nothing to look forward to.
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My oncologist doesnt do TM sometimes they are not reliable ..my TM were all normal when I was diagnosed ..you are not alone with your feelings there are many of us whom feel the same..I have trouble sleeping as well at night..I also think the same thoughts but I go to counseling and it helps..nothing in life is a guarentee..try to stay positive..
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Hello! We have a very similar diagnosis...I just wanted to let you know that I'm impressed with you letting tour feelings out. This disease has the ability to f up our worlds. I have MH trouble to this day with no real estimated time of going away. Luckily, thankfully, we have each other.
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I have an anti-anxiety medication that I take on bad days, when the worrying is too much. I am 100% ok with this. I take it maybe once every couple weeks... and the day before and day of chemo!! My lows have never been quite so low since my diagnosis.
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HI there, if I don't let them out it just eats away at me!! I hate this crap!! I have a hard time keep any faith, not that I had any before dx. I keep thinking if there was a God or a higher being why are people getting cancer? I swear more and more women are being dx!! I think that each time I read a story of someone's grandma who was dx back in the 40's and they lived to be 90 and died of heart problems of natural causes, I feel like women dx back then did live longer than this generation. Maybe it's the drugs? I don't know, I feel like why do anything anymore, what's the point? Everyone of course says' Oh you'll be fine, you're going to outlive me probably. Yea right if you only live another 2 or 3 years. I hate to be doom and gloom but dang it this bc crap just effin sucks!!!!! GRRRRRR
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Yep...I hear ya! My fing hairdresser today said " oh good....its gone then," I Should have left her a bigger tip for the psychic reading... I'm at a stage in my depression where I'm really angry....maybe I shouldn't be posting here for ya! I use to eat my weight in pasta....it use to make me Happy...not so much anymore.
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The way I look at it, a healthy lifestyle, and especially plenty of exercise, will make me feel better as long as I am still around. It may also stave off the mets. I would rather have mets in ten years than in three. Of course I would prefer not having any mets at all, ever, but I will take a decent delay if that is all I can get.
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ckgrayoh, sleeping in not one of my problems, thank goodness. I take trazadone for sleep. It is not addicting. You might want to check it out with your physician.
Made me happy to see your avatar--I love paints.
Liz
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yep it sucks. However Im glad I at least know in advance and have a chance to fight. My cousin's b-day wouldve been 2 days ago. When she was in her late 30's she had rt upper quad pain and nausea and ignored it. By the time her sister took her to the ER and they did a catscan on her it was already too late. It was everywhere. She never smoked or drank. She lived in the country. And she died a month later of metastatic cancer. Im not even sure what her primary was. She was so sick and didnt even have the chance to fight it with any treatments or surgery. At least we know what we have and can at least try to fight it. And yes there are people who have had bc years ago and it never comes back. Today when I walk outside I sit and listen to nature. I stop and spend the extra 2 minutes letting my grandbaby put stickers on me or paint my toenails. Now I get out of the bed to go talk to my daughter to just see how her day went. Now I think I am living life fuller than I did before my dx. I wasnt living life prior to cancer. I was existing. Going to work, cooking, doing dishes, paying bills, etc.
I knew there was a blue moon last night and actually went outside and just looked at the beauty of the night sky. It sucks but it hasnt beat us yet. We just need to live our life. Oh and living life thru medication is acceptable to me if it keeps me happy and productive. And venting and screaming and cryin is good too. Anything that relieves stress is a good thing. Hugs to everyone.
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Cowgirl 13- I like your avatar? Is that your horse? I have taken trazadone before and loved it! I need to get some more from the dr.
Melmcbee - That is awful about your cousin. I think that is why I am such a hypocondriac with my oncologist, I want him to know about every little pain or ache I have in case I can get a scan from it. I actually feel good physically but I am a hot mess emotionally. Some of my co-workers who I thought were friends, said to me a couple weeks ago that I was acting "bitchy". Well duh! Can't always be positive. People that aren't dx don't understand how difficult it is for some of us to be positive. My husband keeps saying "You'll be fine, you'll probably outlive me".
Momine-You are correct in your thought process. Would rathar have mets in 10 years not 3 or rather NOT at all.
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Night time is when I allow myself to be scared. I think it does have to come out at some point - so I think about all the things I want to do, the time I want, the fears I have and I give in to it. I give it about 30 mins and then I move on. There is nothing more that I can do than I have done/do. And spending more than 30 mins on it is a waste of time.
Unfortunately it can come back or something else completely different can happen (car accident, heart attack, different disease). But Diana50 told me - a few years back - don't waste a lot of time on that because if it does come back - worrying about it now just wastes now. It doesnt change anything.
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Thinking about the what if's and they why's is a waste of precious time.
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I got a good tip from one of the nurses. When you have a thought like "Oh no I'm going to get a recurrence and die!" you can say to yourself "Even if that's true, how do I want to live today?". This makes me calmer and it's easier to go about my business. It works for all kinds of worries, from small to large.
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Cheryl,
I hope your feeling better. It's good to rant every now and then. Get those thoughts out on the table.
Before cancer I was pretty stable -- didn't really have problems with mood swings other than the occasional feeling low right before my period. After cancer I found my anxiety level was much higher. First the onc gave me Paxil but when I changed from Aromasin to Tamoxifen we had to change anti-drepessants so now I'm on Lexapro. I really liked Paxil because it gave me more of a kick in the butt than the Lexapro. I've become a believer in anti-depressants!
The other med that I've found helpful is melatonin. The first time I tried it I got the 3mg bottle and tried 1 a night for a couple of weeks. Nothing. Then a co-worker was telling me how his doc prescribed melatonin so he could stay asleep at night and started him on 5 mg and that it was working great. So I dusted off the bottle and starting taking 2 a night (6 mg). What a difference! About 30 minutes after I take it I get drowsy and am able to slip off to sleep. I seldom wake up during the night but if I do (and that's just been in the past week because of the news about my tumor markers) I'll just take another dose.
The other thing I would like to add is that it took me about two and a half years after dx before I really felt like things were stable and that I could plan. I used to be on these boards everyday because cancer was on my mind from when I woke till I went to sleep. This last year has been much better. And even if my high tumor markers are because it's back -- I'm still going to live my life. I liked Mary's comment about letting yourself worry for 30 minutes and that anything beyond that is a waste of time. Since I don't worry everyday I figure I can go beyond 30 minutes for those days that aren't good but I can't let the average go above 30!
Keep talking about it if it continues! We're here to listen!
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I am hoping that in time I will stop thinking about my life ending sooner than later. This just plain sucks!! I am getting ready to leave today for Hocking Hills for my 5 year anniversary and am planning on hiking canoeing and having a great time. I read an interesting post on facebook the other day. Here is the link. Some may be strongly opposed to it but it is something to consider. I have a co-worker who watches a lot of documentaries and has said she has seen people on them who have no pain after smoking or ingesting pot. It is about 40x more potent when injested and not smoked or cooked apparently. For those of you in a medical marijuana legal state, it may be worth a try. Ohio is way behind the times in just about everything but I am still going to try to juice some leaves. I will try anything as long as it has even a remote chance of helping me. i wish more doctors would research natural remedies instead of offering more pills to take. I hope no one gets offended by this post or this link, that is certainly not my intention. Hope you all have a great day and thanks so much for your positive comments and encouragement. I am glad I found all of you!!
http://www.naturalnews.com/035400_juicing_cannabis_remedies.html
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Hi ckgrayoh, I hope you can find some peace with all this. For what it's worth I wanted to share some approaches I use. I'm a bit of an odd duck and I often find myself taking an opposite approach to things I see recommended. I know some women are successful with getting themselves to believe in that best case outcome, and with managing to not think about the alternative and go on with life assuming the best. If that works, great! I think if I had better odds, I might be able to do that myself.
For me with my situation I know that the harder I try to not think about the worst case possibiliy, the more it will keep popping up. Optimism and avoiding the negative just doesn't work well for me. Instead I am trying to make peace with the negatives. I will be thinking about it no matter whether I want to or not, so how can I think about it in a way that's tolerable? I am trying to learn as much about those scary outcomes as possible, and make it not so bad. I'm asking myself, is a death earlier than I expected really so scary? What is it about that that's scary? Is it pain? Well pain can be controlled. Is it the medical procedures? Yes, I dread that possibility but so far I've held up. Is it being a burden on my caretakers? Yes, but I've learned there are options such as home care aids and hospice to help relieve them of the 24/7 responsibility.
A lot of my fear is the impact on my loved ones, especially my husband. But death is part of life, there's always been a chance he'll have to mourn my loss some day. It might be a blessing for him to do that while he's young and strong rather than older and more fragile. Etc. Just trying to look the worst case as clearly as I can and see that it might not be so intolerable, yet without assuming that worst case is going to happen. Dying is part of life, it has always been true that it will come. It's just so much more real after a cancer diagnosis.
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Ann, I love your approach. I am like you - I am no good at being optimistic. Rather, I am very convinced that I will die of this disease in the near future. I try to make peace with this thought, but so far no good. At the moment, I simply panic at the thought of another chemo. So I try to figure out in advance - do I want to go for an extension of lifetime or don't I? Chances are that whatever I decide now, I wil change my mind in the real event, but this is nevertheless what is in my mind right know.
And I cannot help but feel betrayed. I was diagnosed at age 33. And whereas my friends are busy pursuing their career or rearing children or both my life just seems to have stopped two years ago - no career and much much worse no children. I know it is wrong, but I feel like such a loser.
So ckgrayoh you are not the only one having trouble adjusting to this situation. I wish I knew what to do to change the situation because I am well aware that being in this state of mind is not going to impress my cancer - it will do what it wants to do nevertheless. I just don't seem to know the way yet.
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I'm having trouble adjusting also. I no longer wake up in a panic, but, worry and think about the fact that my life will most likely be quite shortened.
I'm getting the most aggressive treatment per my MO, but, now that I am done with chemo And a little hair has grown,I worry they will find mets and I'll be back on chemo forever and lose it again and is that a "lifestyle" for me?
I am afraid to have any more tests that could bring more bad news before I am able to handle it. I am even worried about the repeat bone density due before I start arimidex. What if it shows something bad ?
My beloved mother just died a few days ago and had hospice for a few weeks and died the way she wanted to, but, it has sent me into a downward spiral also.
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Nkb, I am sorry to hear about your mom. I no longer wake up in a panic but the dark thoughts are always lurking. It really just sucks, plain and simple.
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Nkb: I'm am so sorry to hear about your mom. Sending you a big hug!!!!
Take care.
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Couln't help but notice your tag line, ckgrayoh. "Trying to predict the future is like trying to drive down a country road at night with no lights while looking out the back window."So true...and funny!!
I mirror Christy's statement: "..... it took me about two and a half years after dx before I really felt like things were stable and that I could plan. I used to be on these boards everyday because cancer was on my mind from when I woke till I went to sleep."
That is me exactly. Don't get me wrong, I still think about it every day (5+ yrs later) thanks to my botched reconstruction........but not all the time and now, I think about it, then brush it off.
Someone else's tag line says: "Worry is like a rocking chair, it gives us something to do but it doesn't get us anywhere."
Try not to beat yourself up too much. Like the saying on the back of a friends' business card....."It is what it is."
(((((hugs)))))
Traci
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Hi, have just been for my three month check up ( first one ) had breast exam and going to have mammo in December.
BS said I was very high risk but also said she had ladies passed ten years NED. -
So sorry for your pains, fear, sleeplessness. Night is a problem After a bad night I would wake up with a little gray cloud (FEAR), (SAD), over my head. Bad start to the day.
I was a teacher, and I know that research shows that our brains are still working when we sleep. So after I had a bad night or two after the terrible phone call, I bought an audible book, A 1000 Years of Laughter, and played it through earphones ALL NIGHT LONG. Theory: it gives my sleeping brain something else to think about. The early part of the book is a little boreing. After four nights of going to sleep with it on, I was never awake past the Medieval Period. Later I would start it at different points. I have also used free Garrison Kieler Lake Woebegone, Prarie Home Companion podcasts, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the White House, and
Bossypants. Music is great too. I prefer classical. Nothing hot to keep me awake. Hope this helps. -
Nkb, my deepest condolences. Hugs to you.
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Thanks for the condolences. Made me feel better ( i haven't been very good at " sharing" all this recent bad news). It sucks to have the BC and struggle through treatment and have her die. I cry a lot now and feel overall SADDNESS.
When I told her I had breast cancer of course it upset her terribly. She became quite ill ( with esophageal cancer) right afterwards and stopped eating and had a lot of pain and said she wanted to die. I told her it was bad timing for me- she went on chemo, got off pain Meds began to eat and turned it around for 6 months so she could stay alive while I was on chemo! She died soon after I finished chemo. What a gift that was. I thanked her the night she died and she said it was her goal. I hope I am as brave and giving in my life. It made such a difference for me.. -
Hi ladies, just wanted to add that this does suck. Not feeling so hot right now. Hope everyone is feeling better. Healing hugs and prayers to all.
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Melmcbee- are you on chemo right now? Or BC in general making you feel bad? Hugs to you.
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I had my second chemo treatment last wednesday and neulesta shot thursday and first day back to work today. 2nd chemo was a little worse than the first or either I didnt prepare as well this time as I did the first. lol, Hugs to all
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Hi all, well I have been off here for awhile after starting this thread. I had another surgery on the 18th of Sept and despite some allergic reaction to the tape used I feel pretty good.
nkb, so sorry for your loss.
I hope all of you are well!! I am so glad I have this site to come to and unload and vent and be up and down. (sigh) See the onc for my 3 month checup next week. Hope all is well. I am going to ask him about an antibiotic that is being studied for bc tumor growth, it is called nitroxoline, it is supposed to stop new blood vessels from forming. I don't know, I always ask him what is the latest news from the drug industry and to keep me posted. I did watch a CNN special about 3 weeks ago that said there should be a cure for triple negative bc in the next 5 years!! I haven't done any additional research but I did see it on a reputable news channel!
have a nice day everyone!!
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I'm sorry you're struggling Cheryl. There has been some major buzz surrounding the similarities of TN BC and ovarian cancer, and the potential effectiveness of some of the ovarian cancer treatments in treating TN BC. There's a lot of research going on right now relating to TN BC. Stay strong girl!
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Thanks lana. It is hard to stay positive and strong and .... Whenever I am in a good mood a little part of me thinks "Why are you happy? You have nothing to look forward to". IDK, it so hard. But for now I am pushing the bad thoughts away because I have a big horse show this weekend to get ready for!! And it's Ocotber which means Halloween which I love!! I started pulling out my decor last night and even ordered more stuff, I figure what the hell? I am going all out this year and throwing my 3rd annual Halloween party!!!
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