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  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited August 2012

    You have my admiration also Abigail, though you know I wouldn't follow your path. You bring up lots of treatment options that we can then explore, thereby keeping the thread and ideas flowing. 

    I have no idea how your mentioning other conditions in any way takes away from those who have a diagnosed or more serious illness.  I read of women with stage 0 or 1 BC worrying on BCO.  That doesn't take away from me in any way with my stage III.   If they are worried that is legitimate for them.  They need to express their feelings and be heard just as much as anyone else. 

    My interpretation is that this thread is for those who seek alternative therapy and that surely includes alternative diagnosis and self diagnosis.   You are taking an alternative path and if it turns out not to be cancer then nothing has been lost and your lifestyle and diet will have improved.  It's not as if you're using up valuable health care funds, hospital beds, doctor's time or having toxic treatments.  Maybe you can even teach a few people tolerance by refusing to take the bait and remaining your wonderful, unique self.  I also love the way these responses are showing me who is caring, kind and supportive.  Enjoy your art work.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited August 2012

    when I couldn't sleep last night I began thinking once again about royal raymond rife & his cancer cure machine.  I think, joy, we first need a kid, a science kid, & you perhaps are the best to find one.  the machines are 1200 t0 3600 if you can find the real ones.  but the sites say no one knows how he worked the machines.  none of the sites say that the bacterium which cause cancer are greenish blue.  where I got that information I don't remember.  jethro kloss possibly, long before I knew of gary.  so we need the opposite light, not pigment0 color(s) to work.  on physics.info/color/summary.shtml  I glean that the opposite of green is magenta light, & the opposite of blue = yellow light.  shined through a quartz prism with I should think a florescent light.  gary says they all give off radiation because they're microscopically cracked, but the heat from incandescents would be counterproductive.

    he got cures for 86.5 in 90 da7s & the rest in another 4 weeks for 100 percent cures.  the device was called the beam ray device.  the need was to find the particular reswonance of the microbe, then increase the natural oscillations so the microbes disintegrated.

    there's also a book apparently:  the cancer cure that worked by barry lynes.

    gary's been talking about honey, best mamuka, then tupelo then orang3e blossom.  that it's a powerful pro-biotic. 

  • HLB
    HLB Member Posts: 1,760
    edited August 2012

    Abigail, about the fruit skins, I got a nutribullet (made by magic bullet) and you just throw it all in there and it gets pulverized into a smoothie. That way you don't miss out on the skins like you would with the juicer. you can put nuts in it too. I have been putting local concord grapes in, seeds and all, because the seeds are supposed to be beneficial too. some seeds are apparently poisonous though and they tell you which ones in the book that comes with it. as for juicing, my parents have the Jack LaLane and it is an excellent juicer!

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited August 2012

    I have a la lanne here, inherited it from bob, I love it, easy to clean.  at the studio a kitchenaid, it's okay bit more expensive & harder to clean & dangerous, a razorblade knife.

    does your smoothie gaget grind stuff really really smooth?  not like crunchy peanut butter?  I don't even have a blender.  dis have once, my former husband got it, he'd given it to me, then I got one after bob died & wrecked it the first week trying to make almond butter. 

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited August 2012

    Abigail, I wouldn't trust any of those rife machines at those steep prices. I looked at different sites and they all quote exactly the same information, copied from page to page.  I doubt anyone can duplicate what he did and it sounds like they are just out to make money.  It would be great if it was that easy. 

    If I had one that cured me, I'd want to use it on anyone who had cancer to save their life and before long people would hear and they'd be queueing  up to use it.  I'd be sending it to my friends from BCO and they'd all be talking about it.  That's why I doubt they work.  Pity.  We need miracles.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited August 2012
  • HLB
    HLB Member Posts: 1,760
    edited August 2012

    Yes, very smooth, but not quite as smooth as a milkshake. I prefer to drink them with a straw. I don't really notice any actual lumps in them, but more like it turns out pretty thick. you can add more or less water than they say to your preference. sometimes I use almond milk or juice instead of water. I have put nuts in and also oat bran and I have never felt any lumps or grains. just one time a pice of prune that didn't get the whole way ground up.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited August 2012

    yes.  I wouldn't get a machine, that's why I think we should find a genious kid to make one for us.  none of the sites I saw have the color info, that the filterable?/unfilterable bacteria which is?/causes cancer is blueish green or greenish blue & the complimentary aka opposite colors in specific oscillations (say the contemporary sites but not what I heard long ago, there' wasn't that info anyway,is the curative element, & through a quartz prism (contemporary info)

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited August 2012

    "oscillations"  is a misleading term.  every color has a frequency, & with our machine we should be able to grar the frequencies of magenta & yellow in various proportions for bluish green or greenish blue.

    I remembered this color spec because greenish blue is the color of highest enlightenment in tibetan? buddhism.  this color spec is just for cancer, for other troubles the colors I'd guess would be different but this is the only spec I heard.

    by the way, I'm not always in pain. or under the thumb of the F demon.  I still think the discomfort is based on barometric pressure, possibly bad when the barometer is falling

    on the ibc thread someone told someone else that the statistics were now different. that death in 6 to 9 months was no longer operative.  Just for those diagnosed & treated?? I have no idea 

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited August 2012
    "be given MRIS or ultrasounds..>"

    I would much prefer this, and I have No  doubt at all my ins would reject that bill and my BS would say DX mammo was ok and this was not necessary ...sure wish I had the RX pad !
  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited August 2012

    Abigail, I imagine 7 to 9 months would be for the treatment at the time.   With new treatments maybe it's longer for some now.  With no treatments it surely must be less.  Since you've had your problem from before joining here, I guess that rules out IBC or you'd be gone by now. 

    I can't figure out what the "f" stands for.  Do you mean a fungal infection?  Give us a clue at least. Maybe we can help.

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited August 2012

    Purple, I paid for my own MRI after the mammo, US and CT scan all came back negative.  The biopsy was enough to get me the treatment but in my own mind I wanted the surgeon to see what he was doing and whether he might cut into the tumour without guidance.  The small thickening turned out to be much larger on the MRI. 

    I only paid $300 Australian and that's about the same in American dollars.  I think they put up the price when they think the health fund is paying.  And people wonder why we're cynical!!!

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited August 2012

    I'd be happy to pay $300, but I cannot afford $6000.00.

    I currently owe $2700.00 as a 'co pay" for my LX.

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited August 2012

    Joy got it done cheap - latest price for me was $700 AUD. We have Medicare here but MRI's are not convered unless you are under 50 and never had breast cancer and have 1 of the bc genes - not fair IMHO.

  • HLB
    HLB Member Posts: 1,760
    edited August 2012

    I just came acrosss a website called Next Generation PDT. I think it means photodynamic therapy. I'm on my phone so I don't know how to post the link. I think they were in Australia. Has anyone heard of or had this therapy? Looked pretty interesting. You drink some kind of stuff that attracts the light and I think it only goes to cancer cells. Then you get in a light machine which heats up the cells and kills them. I think its infrared light.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited August 2012

    well what else could it possibly be?? inverted, vein feeding, sesations of "f", I refuse to use that word.  check out garynull's article on cancer, the spect for IBF........somewhere it said that older people with it last longer.

    I've spent some time reading the rife book, the book about him, his papers were all vanished but some notes of his helpers survived.

    it is indeen filterable bacteria.  bacteris grown small & changed shape what are now called viruses

    greenish blue or turquoise is mentioned:  the dye roy used to see the microbes with his microscope early on

    specs of time were mentioned in the pages amazon allowed for a preview:  at first he used 3 minutes a day with the machine, found that the detrius engendered couldn't be eliminated in that time so he changed to 3 minutes every 3 days

    I've though of a mini rife machine:  a flashlight with a halogen glass lense, some contraption to hold it, a magents & a yellow piece of glass covering the lense, perhaps afixed with aluminum foil & duct tape or something better

    if rife cured 100 percent after 120 days at the outside, perhaps 5 minutes every 3 days for a year.  the magenta glass may be difficult to find 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    Was gone two days, Hubby weekend, enjoying ourselves hunting old mags and bottles.

    When I first realized I had a mass I ordered what I call updated Rife technology - Rife's work continued into modern technology.  The machine is small, there are cds for whatever I need, and I use one for cancer mostly, also for lungs and general alignment. You are right Abigail, every colour has a frequency.  I don't know about the colours, but I do know I was using it off-and-on for a few months before my surgery.  After surgery, the path report stated there was neucrosis of cancer cells - I was so shocked and so excited.  I have been told by the developer never to over use.... to use it every 2 days, one hour, the first half hour at 10 min intervals on localized areas and the last full systemic, meaning on feet, while the whole time I have upper body systemic since electrode pads are on my hands.  It takes time for the body to catch up after each treatment.  After over a year with the lymph node cancer and not knowing the surgeon did nt get everything, plus leaving a positive margin, I have used this in thinking I was pretty clear and later found out I was not, but with the PET CT, it sure could have been much worse.  Recently have ordered what are called silver electrode pads  and get much better contact that does not burn me if the adhesive of pad is wearing down, others would wear out so quickly.

    Have to say too, after a week on the red and black raspberry for ellagic acid, I feel so much more energy and strength.  I am amazed, no pain, no confusion today, strong, worked all day so to speak with flea markets and a festival and such seeking the deal of the day for resale, had a good day and it was hotter than blazes here again.

    HLB - the treatment sounds enticing.  I often go for UVB therapy, ultraviolet light blood therapy that focuses on lymph node and cancer cells.  My next one is in 2 weeks. There are so many ways, so many choices and this is another one of my favorites.  When you get links, please send them.

    A day doesn't go by when I don't ask myself, "Self, what have you done for the cancer today?"  

    I know it says this, but I never eally feel safe saying anything here...... """"This forum is a safe, judgement-free place for Alternative Therapy users and for those wishing to discuss about alternative therapy only. Alternative medicine refers to treatments that are used INSTEAD of standard, evidence-based treatment. Please refrain from providing individual medical advice."""" and to me that is very disconcerting.

    LOVEEssa

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited August 2012

    extremely fascinating

    in your bottle searches have you found what could be called magenta glass?  yeallow should be easy.  I have a new friend, actually one of 1 who knows I'm sick,  he's an artist, makes mosaics on small tables, I'll see him tomorrow probably & ask if perhaps he has some magenta glass in his cchard collection

    I don;t know about ultra violet.  gary says after sun for vitamine d you need vitamine c & pro0biotics to counteract the ultra violet.  he says a good start to the day is the juice of 2 lemons with a teaspoon of raw organic honey 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    yes, that is a good start, I do the lemon w honey.  also as you mentioned, the honey I have is Manuka from New Zealand, anti-viral, anti-biotic, strong immune support. 

    Have not seen magenta glass.  But will tell you I have been strongly tempted to break up all my china sets I have for sale and do art and mosaics, always wanted to do that art.  I miss my art, the therapy of art is profound, quieting.  Used to do art on vintage windows, my favorite medium actually being old mirrors, esp folk art on mirrors.  Will do again, but now focused on cash flow. 

    One of my combinations that I take 1 - 2 x day is olive leaf extrac, tumeric, cinnamon oil drops, manuka honey..... powerful antibiotic, antiviral, which I believe we need because I do buy into the Rife info and what he found as bing a great part of the imbalance.  He built the only microscope that would not kill the bacteria / virus while observing and from that what he witnessed gave him the inside information on cancer that led him to the technology. A shame the technology was not duplicated, always others taking shortcuts or changing it up to suit their interpretation.

    LOVEEssa

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited August 2012

    I take olive leaf decoction I make myself from organic olive leaves from frontier in iowa, 2ce a day.  handfull of leaves in a quart of good water, reduce by half, strain & chill.  very bitter, very very delicious

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited August 2012

    gary just mentioned a study about plants which help prevent metastasis in cancer:  vit d, ginseng, curcumin, fish oil, lycopene.  I googled that & it's the red color in foods except cherries & strawberries, though recently gary said strawberries leads to a long life.  esp tomatoes have lycopene.

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited August 2012

    abigail

    I am really not trying to needle you, but I have to ask - what is it that make you trust gary so competely ?

  • Natkat
    Natkat Member Posts: 75
    edited August 2012

    Personally i would like to see this thread return to topic of breast cancer treatments - not personalities. Lovingly asking EVERYONE to please focus on types of treatments you use for bc. We are all here to help eachother and perhaps best way to help is stay on topic. Now back to drinking my ayurvedic lymph tea which tastes like curried dirt.

  • HLB
    HLB Member Posts: 1,760
    edited August 2012

    Speaking of tea, I just ordered some pau D'arco tea. I'm not even sure I remember what its supposed to do, I've done so much research in the past month my head is swimming. And speaking of dirt, just ate some kratom. My God that is some awful tasting stuff. Reminds me of dirt because it looks like dirt but I doubt dirt tastes as bad.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    Lapacho - Pau D' arco - Taheebo all refer to same tree and medicinal tea prep. The Divine Tree. Lapacho, huge evergreen. Astrigent, anti-inflammatory, antibacterial, antiviral, antifungal, anti-microbial, anti-cancer, diuretic, hypotensive properties - plus stimulating production of red bllood cells. Is an accepted tx for leukemia in many S American hospitals. Studies in S America, Europe, U.S. and Asia reveal active ingredient is lapachol - a plant substance called napthaquinones or N-FACTORS.  The doses for cancer are high, do refer to studies for these, I do not take responsibility to list doses that are saving lives, but I do reference Outsmart Your Cancer which is a huge index for studies and other books. 

    LOVEEssa

  • HLB
    HLB Member Posts: 1,760
    edited August 2012

    Thank you! In my notes it says 4 teabags a day for 6 weeks and the 4 weeks off. Don't know if I will do that much. Just doing some of everything!

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited August 2012

    what's in the lymph tea?  why am I still alive?  now will be an ongoing topic:  lymph massage. don't know if I'm doing it right, I watched gary do his daughter's arms at a sleep-away years ago when the servers & cooks & vbuyers contracted didn't show:  firm not hard strokes towarss, I think, the heart.  I didn't see this but also neck, shoulders, sides front even legs.  I try to do this to myself every day.

    If you'll read the posts carefully, purple?  I don't "trust gary completely", well I do trust him, but there are protocols he uses I wouldn't: c infusions :  "needles are intrusive" -abigail  for instance 

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited August 2012

    I was asking about the trust in gary because I did visit his website, and  wondered  trulky if I had " missed something".  I too am exploring, just like everyone else. I'd love to find  a guru I believed in explicitly  .

    Thanks abigail for your response.  I have read the posts, but perhaps not every single onbe .  Mine was just an overall impression.

    Best wishes to all.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited August 2012

    gary is best on progressive radio network listen live on tunein.     m-f 12 noon edst.  other broadcasts as well, allnight in la, I've never listened to that one, one evening here with callins mostly, I listened once, a good show.

    why I trust gary (2) he reads the medical journals & reports on them 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    Being able to read medical journals and understand them and pass on the info is a wonderful service.  Being able to understand studies and research is needed.

    Natkat - yes, what IS in that lymph tea?

    Right now I am big on the red and black raspberry and finding it to be very health-turning for me.   I am still taking 2 - 4 Laetrile amygladin tablets each day, one at a time w food since I am very sensitive to them (with cancer cells active, one would be sensitive to them from what I understand, but they parts in them counteract one another and tame it down in a while after taking).  Also a lot of support for hormones naturally.

    HLB, encouraging you to rethink the a little of everything approach.  Cancer responds to hard hits putting it in a place of healing or regaining the ability of natural cell death - if one is going alternatively.  We know the conventional approach is another story and sometimes much needed.  What I am saying is I had to find my overall health protocol, including hormone support.... then I add one to three hard hitting cancer tx to that protocol and use them for a few weeks to a few months, then transition.  I imagine cancer being displeased with something I take and going, yea, don't like that but not bothering me much or healing me at all.  So a little does not do it for me, I believe.  But to hit hard, the cancer would respond in the expected way that the tx would suggest in their studies.  For instance the ellagic acid (must be the good stuff) both stops the cells from multiplying and it allows them to begin a natural death, very deep info in studies.  But I cannot just take a few capsules and expect that for my body.  I am taking a very large amount of the best and doing it in the best way for absorption that I understand would work.

    Hope this gives you something to think on, it's just that I believe as one of the alternative people on the  threads, one who has great hope in what I have chosen for myself and is sharing what I am doing, that I have a greater responsibility to share what I know and believe and make sure I say these things to help others realize that in my opinion a strong approach is best.  

    If you are not choosing the tea for a tx but are for general support, then that is another way.

    Hope you accept these words with the love they are sent to you.

    LOVEEssa

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