Alternative Treatment

I psted on that thresd athena are you still there? the post I responded to, an ititial post on the thread as I recall was then a few years old.

I also have what I think are probably hardened nodes under my arms, some of them can be sloughed off & the castor bean packs, a homeopathy remedy, I do once a week for 45 minutes, seems to have vanished the ones, or most of them from under that arm as the oil drips down on that side.

gonna turn in now, up at 6 & a long day today 

ALTERNATIVE TREATMENT DEFINITION, to me......

Alternative treatment information shared by people who either have been diagnosed with breast cancer or who are not diagnosed but going to do all they can for their health anyway and are seeking information. 

DIAGNOSED..... how ironic for this thead......

Most of us in alternatives have gone through mammograms, biopsies, and /or surgery to be diagnosed according to conventional medicine ---- even though we often choose alternatives for the most part.

In my opinion.........

we accept those who choose alternative ways to diagnose what is happening to their bodies... as far as breast cancer.  In my opinion, we cannot turn away those who will not use conventional medicine for their diagnosis.

About Abigail - her description is quite accurate for IBC, always has been.  Her ongoing issues with breast health and lymph node overload or cancer is enough to say - IF IT WAS ME, and if I chose to not use conventional medicine to diagnose, then I would act as if it is cancer (I would just figure on the worst and go for the healing) and do all I can to support my immune system, use alternatives that give me an edge as far as cancer and anything that could bring me comfort.  And I would want a place to go for support and information.  Seems to me that is here on the alternative thread.

More about Abigail, for those who have not read the entire thread.... she is 75, for decades now she has been more fully immersed in alternatives and herbs, she has led an unconventional life, share on bco her childhood and early years traumas by the medical profession, and she is also always sharing information that someone could use as far as alternatives and herbs and poultices.  She is an artist intent to paint until she dies..... she does not want to chance losing the abiliy to paint, we could all hope or such a passion.... and she could easily and even proudly be called eccentric.  She also communicates quicker than she can type, thus often it is diffiult to translate her typing, but she is well-educated and English is her first language. 

I for one do wish that bco sisters and brothers would choose compassion or empathy or understanding, looking at the full picture.

More than anything, I wish the ones who run through here to ridicule with one liners would refrain, it is so very immature and extremely rude.

LOVEEssa

Essa: We are all interesting and eccentric and fascinating - to someone. I don't say that facetiously. Let me explain: We are all of great value but this space is not intended - it is not strengthened, nor does it prosper, nor help nor heal, on charm. Indee, its best quality comes from lack of discrimination. You can be anyone or anything, with no talent or charm offensive or dubious claim of illness. But we receive you here at BCO if you have BC as diagnosed by conventional medicine, or you have a close loved one with the disease. Reading oneself a bc - or wishing oneself one to get attention, is not the same thing. With IBC after all this time, untreated, a person would not be able to paint or post - the pain would be too much. 

The letter and the spirit of a support organization is broached when there is not trust in the basic concepts of who this forum serves nd what it means to have BC. There are forums for people with any characteristic which may fit Abigail, who has claimed to have myriad illneses and seems to increase the intensity of her claims when attention drifts away from her. Of course, she will post here as she sees fit, but it violates a very special social contract.

It is like the person who neglects to drop the 25 cents to pay for a pamphlet at a church. When a very special and sacrosanct social contract is polluted, its people and the belief system suffer. 

I come to BCO because I believe this is a forum about BC, for BC. The moment that belief starts to be challenged, BCO loses its sacrosanct nature, and women with breast cancer suffer.

Yes. But those people must in turn be prepared to be spoken out against. The analogy of the church and trust is very apt. I hereby speak out. I am particularly dismayed by said person's trivialization of another disease that a friend of mine suffers from. When chicanery does harm it is no longer just charming banter.

From the entry portal... We are 117,895 members in      72 forums discussing      93,901 topics

That means that there are 93,900 other topics you can read, and not be bothered with someone who upsets you.  Or you could click on her name, then click the button that says "block user", and not be bothered with reading Abigail's posts ever again.

I understand that her reality is different from most other people's reality.  But, she's quite aged, she may be lonely, and if it makes her happy to post here, why not just live and let live.  Her theories are so off the beaten path, that it's unlikely that anyone would be influened by her posts, so what's the harm in humoring an elderly woman?    Live and let live, and as long as she's not trying to sell some kind of wacky faux treatment, who does it hurt? 

No ones being mean and it has nothing to do with her views.

It hurts the truly sick. Thank God many of those folks don't take this too seriously. When you pretend you have x or y illness you trivialize the experience ce of a true sufferer. Incredible that you don't get it. Its not personal.

Itsjustme - I totally agree on what you convey regarding empathy. But lets say that someone says they had a really bad cold and therefore know exactly what you went through. I am reminded of those threads like "stupid things pepole say" et ... or you know those people who no matter what happens to you they are always worse off? There are threads about that. You crashed your car? They were in a five car collision that very day! Your child won an academic prizefighter? Theirs just published a book. Me too-ism. Attention getting. And chicanery. Hope this reads well. On a tablet.

Oh, I understand, but I guess I'm kind of taking things from where they come - if a peer of my mother's said that to me about a bad cold making her understand what I went through, then I'd roll my eyes, but thank them.  If one of my friends said that?  Um, not so much... LOL ..and it wouldn't be pretty. 

I see a lot of those threads, and sone of those things are pretty stupid.  All you can really do is shake your head at them.

After everything I've been through this past year (and believe me, the cancer crap was the least of it), one thing I've taken from it is that you have to pick and choose your battles.  With that being said, I really don't want to argue over this, so hopefully we can just agree to disagree about it.

Note: excuse my scrappy typing. Never good with tablets.

LOL! White Rabbit, that's really funny! This is actually much more confusing than the REAL Alice in Wonderland! Go figure!

back to the beginning:  "forum:  alternative medicine.  this forum is a safe, judgement-free place for alternative therapy users & for those wishing to discuss about alternative therapy only.  alternative medicine refers to treatments that are INSTEAD (their emphasis) of standard, evidence based treatment.  please refrain from providing individual medical advice."

bacvk to the studio sunday for a few days & then I'll be here for about 17 days.  I won't answer posts or post every day, (I don't post friday nights or saturdays in respect for the God of this sector, & there are other days during the 17 days I won't post, but when I do I would hope that those who are bothered or stressed by my words block my posts or scroll through them. 

& I don't post when I'm at the studio.  that's up to 21 days a lunar month when I don't post.

I'll also be monitering gary's noon broadecasts & reporting on them when he mentions something pertinent. when I'm here, of course, I can't listen to him at the studio. 

Just popping in here to echo the sentiments of many of the readers of this thread: If you do not agree with a certain post or poster, please exercise your right to use your IGNORE button or quite simply choose to not read their post. If you are not here to discuss Alternative Treatments in a civil, judgement-free manner, please move along to another forum.

Thank you each for your cooperation.

--The Mods

I do not agree with people criticizing others' diagnosis and treatment decisions. 

I do resent the way the moderators handled this, deleting my post, and then posting their own input right after it,  making it seem as though I was part of the piling on against someone who has every right to post about her struggles here, when my post was in fact doing the opposite. 

Abigail,

Enjoy your time with your art. I may disagree with the path you've chosen but you've earned my admiration in other ways. I love how you've never risen to take the bait.

Caryn