Breast Cancer Drugs: Many Play, Few Will Win

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  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited August 2012

    This just makes me sad. Not that I didn't already know, but it's just hard to read in print sometimes. I suppose we should be grateful that vaccines are in the works....somehow that doesn't ease the pain though, of knowing if you have advanced disease, your f*cked.

  • carpe_diem
    carpe_diem Member Posts: 1,256
    edited August 2012

    I had already read this article and have to admit that I couldn't follow the logic. I'm glad to hear that there are three promising new drugs for MBC and that there are new diagnostic tests becoming available, but I don't understand how they can assume that the vast majority of the 250 companies working in the BC area won't come up with anything useful. And I wish someone would explain the paragraph:

    Because new drugs are expected to improve breast cancer outcomes, the number of women first presenting with advanced disease is expected to increase more quickly than the number of those presenting with recurrent disease. 

    I'd certainly like to see better diagnostics that didn't involve radiation. Those PET/CT's every 3-6 months really add up. I realize that I'd be lucky to live long enough to suffer from the effects of the radiation, but just in case I am one of the few long-term  survivors, I'd hate to succumb to radiation effects from all those scans.

    Janet 

  • cp418
    cp418 Member Posts: 7,079
    edited August 2012

    What my question is how can they already know 10 years out that only about 3 'drugs' will be added to the currently approved treatments?  Are these projections only based upon the drug pharma companies and not the research going on at universities?  I'm wondering about a conflict of interest as we always read about possible promising 'vaccine' research struggling for years to get funding.  Obviously the Drug-Pharma companies CONTROL manufacturing to make any treatment available to patients.  So does this mean much of the disease research going on at the unversities is for publication purposes only?  How would they possibly get a promising vaccine into clinical trials if a BioTech or Pharm companies views them as a threat to their current drug market.  After all, many of the current cancer drugs bring in billions of dollars to these Pharma companies.  Do they view the university research as a threat to their profits.  Therefore they would never consider buying - funding the university vaccines for clinical trials, NDA, manufacturing etc.

    Please don't shoot the messager - - I'm just frustrated and disappointed by much of the news......

    There's also been quite a bit of activity in vaccines, with institutions including the Cleveland Clinic, San Antonio Military Medical Center and the University of Pennsylvania touting new developments alongside companies like Antigen Express and Galena Biopharma.

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited August 2012

    I don't think there are three promising new drugs for MBC. My interpretation was that the ones in the works are biosimilars, which is just a fancy, pretentious word for a new name for the same drug. Because the patent on Herceptin is expiring, the other drug companies can pick it up, but can't use the same forumlation or biological means to re-produce it. It will still end up being essentially, the same drug.

    carpe diem, I didn't understand that paragraph either, nor could I enterpret it, but it doesn't sound good for those of us with advanced disease.

    cp, it is very disappointing and frustrating. I truly believe our donations have to go directly to the smaller entities doing the research, for us to get anywhere....ones in which raising stock prices and protecting shareholders is not the main objective. Thanks for those other links.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited August 2012

    My interpretation is very different and I think what they are saying is actually a good thing for patients.  

    Reading the article and a couple that are linked to it, what I believe they are saying is that currently 62% of all treatments for advanced BC are given to women who developed advanced BC because they had a recurrence.  In the future, "due to the anticipated approval of novel agents that will improve outcomes for localized disease", they expect that fewer women will have recurrences and therefore fewer women will have advanced disease. Since advanced disease is where most of the drug money is currently spent (Herceptin costs a whole lot more than Tamoxifen, for example), with fewer women with advanced disease, the overall market for breast cancer drugs will decline.  As such, there will be few blockbuster drugs in the future, from a sales revenue standpoint.

    They do say that "the number of women first presenting with advanced disease is expected to increase more quickly than the number of those presenting with recurrent disease." But this does not necessarily mean that they expect a greater percentage of women or more women to be diagnosed with advanced disease.  It's just the way the math works if fewer women develop recurrences. And in fact given that they are projecting a slowing of the drug market for advanced disease, one can conclude that they in fact expect fewer women to have advanced disease.  Here's an example of how the numbers could work:

    2012: 400 women with BC; 100 of these women have advanced disease

    • 25% have advanced disease
    • 62 women had recurrences that led to the development of advanced disease; this represents 62% of those with advanced disease (as per the article) and 15.5% of those with BC
    • 38 women were initially diagnosed with advanced disease; this represents 38% of those with advanced disease (as per the article) and 9.5% of those with BC

    .

    2021: 410 women with BC; 91 of these women have advanced disease Note that the reason I've assumed that more women are diagnosed with BC is because of population growth and an aging population. The rate BC development could be quite a bit lower than it is today and yet for those two reasons, in 10 years we'll still see more women being diagnosed (as an absolute number, not as a percentage of the population). 

    • 22% have advanced disease
    • 52 had recurrences that led to the development of advanced disease; this represents 57% of those with advanced disease (as per the projection in the article) and 12.7% of those with BC
    • 39 were initially diagnosed with advanced disease; this represents 43% of those with advanced disease (as per the projection in the article) and 9.5% of those with BC

    .

    This example shows how the percent of women who are diagnosed with advanced disease could grow faster than those who develop advanced disease as a result of a recurrence, as the articles suggests will happen, and yet the number of women diagnosed with advanced disease still falls both as a percentage of the population and as a percentage of women diagnosed with BC. 

    As for the question about the 250 companies and whether any other drugs will come onto the market, I think that part of the answer is what gracie said, which is that many of the drugs in development are biosimilars.  After all, Tamoxifen is not even marketed anymore; now it's all generics.  I think another part of the answer is that it takes a long time - more than 10 years in most cases - to get a drug to market. So there is no mystery about what might be coming to market over the next 10 years - it's all drugs that are currently in the pipeline. Looking at the pipeline, what the market analysis seems to have concluded is that there will be only 3 blockbuster drugs.  The other drugs in the pipeline likely are more targetted, drugs that they consider "novel agents that will improve outcomes for localized disease".  So I don't think at all that they are saying that only 3 drugs will make it to market. They are talking about the number of "big winners" from a revenue standpoint.  I think it's a good thing that much of the development is going against these types of more targetted "novel agents".  This means that in 10 years we will be able to refine and target treatment much more effectively.  

    That's my interpretation.   

  • carpe_diem
    carpe_diem Member Posts: 1,256
    edited August 2012

    Beesie,

    Thanks for the explanation.  That makes a lot of sense. Maybe you should be writing for these publications.

    Janet 

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