"Starvation' diet for cancer?
Before I write this, I just want to say that I am fairly new to cancer, clueless, and am not recommending any change of diet to anyone. But, I thought I'd ask your help for weighing some advice that a friend gave me. The friend has been successfully treated by alternative therapy for his own serious medical condition for years, and he's very intelligent and sensible, so I'm at least listening to him -- but I haven't been able to find anyone else who makes his recommendation.
What he (and his naturopath) say is that I should eat a very low-calorie, subsistence diet with no sugar, something like what people in Holland might have been able to eat during the leanest years of the war. He said that cancer feeds on sugar (something like that, anyway) and that there are lower rates of cancer or cancer recurrence among people who practically starve themselves.
I have already increased my exercise level, because I read a study that said that exercise is good for breast cancer patients for a bunch of reasons. But, should I cut way way back on my food? I'm not overweight but I do like to eat the occasional bowl of ice cream or square of chocolate.
I don't want to cause myself pointless misery when I'm already recovering from a mastectomy and about to start radiation, but on the other hand -- I'd like to do everything possible. And if eating like a sparrow would enable me to skip radiation, that would be a bonus.
Do you know of any studies linking subsistence diet to better outcomes for breast cancer? I did a search and did not find any.
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If you are recovering from surgery and about to do radiation, you should be eating at least 75 grams of protein a day for healing.
I wouldn't starve yourself. Personally, I do an anti-cancer diet - no meat, dairy, sugar, or processed foods. Organic fruits and veggies, wild fish, organic eggs. I just don't think starving yourself is going to be good for you.
My favorite book is Anti-Cancer: a New Way of Life by David Servan-Schrieber.
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I think the book The Anti Cancer may give you a wealth of information. I try to follow this diet. The book was written by a doctor that also had cancer.
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Oh for sure read the book and it isn't about starving u'rself--u need nutrients and vitamins
I always said starving u'rself solves nothing, chocolate on the other hand solves so much.
Now the recommendation is a small piece of dark chocolate a day.--see I was right.
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lol, thank you everyone. I love the recommendation to eat chocolate.
I've read the Anti-Cancer book by Servan-Schrieber and was inspired. But I was already following a version of the diet in that book as I've been eating a vegetarian, organic, low-dairy diet rich in berries and kale & etc since I left home as a teenager.
My friend/neighbour who recommended the near-starvation diet also follows a vegan organic diet, but he said that once you actually have cancer, the best approach is just to try to starve it.
There are so many knowledgeable people here that I'm sure that if this was a widely-held, respected view there would have been a few posts recommending it by now, or at least a few responses from people saying they've tried it. So, perhaps it's one of those way-out-there ideas.
Sweetbean, thanks for telling me that I need more protein. I didn't know that!
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This does sound like a way-out idea to me. When your neighbor says starvation is the "best" way, what does he mean? Are there studies or ???
Many cancer centers and cancer support centers offer classes on nutrition for cancer patients. (I was able to have a free appointment w/ a nutritionist and I wasn't even treated at that center.) They will discuss protein and other issues. Also, I liked the Cancer Fighting Kitchen Cookbook--it has lots of tips like that along w/ recipes.
The sugar issue isn't so simple. Cancer cells are greedy and aggressive so they take sugar before your other cells. Basically you'd have to starve the rest of the cells in your body first. -
Sandyflats - I just came off a four month liquid fast.
NO FOOD, just liquid meal replacements, and one nutritional bar a day, for a total of 960 calories a day. However, it was "complete" nutrition, with vitamins and minerals included in the meal replacements.
It was heavily and closely monitored, as fasting for any length of time is terribly stressful on the body. There can be serious side effects.
I had bloodwork drawn every three weeks. My liver enzymes skyrocketed, my gallbladder got sludgey (precursor to gallstones), and my clotting factor seemed to disappear, making me bleed more heavily and for longer periods of time.
AND - here is the truth: a body that is stressed will not heal.
I did this extreme diet because my MO recommended it. My BC is ER+ - 100%. I argued that I did not want to take Arimidex because I was post-menopausal and had already had a hysterectomy. She politely pointed out that estrogen is manufactured in excess body fat, of which I had plenty. I needed to lose weight quickly, and understood that the medical fast was the best way to go.
It was a tremendous commitment in terms of discipline (NO FOOD), time (weekly meetings, support groups, lab work, and medical monitoring by physicians and nurses) and money - over $4,000 for all the products and the year-and-a-half program.
Last month, we started adding healthy food back in. I've lost more than 50 pounds, and 63 total inches. My lab work is now completely normal.
But had I not had the medical monitoring, I could have done some serious damage to my body.
Trying to starve your cancer cells by not eating only starves your body, which can be deadly.
Please be very, very careful.
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Blessings OMG not only was that extremely difficult, but so disciplined. All that because u didn't take armidex? I understand our bodies need all te help we can ive them but I just never heard of being that extreme for a Dr. to do. Of course u had to be monitored. Well I mean u can't do ot willy-nilly u have to have the right combinations and have to be overlooked by the medical profession. For u to comit to tat had to be extremely hard. Good for u as long as there was no damage done with all good results. So is this a diet of starvation for the caancer itself---U'r still not taking any med. for it and u'r off the diet, Is that the end of the treatment for no med? Wait are u taking armidex now. Are u at the desired weight the Dr. wants now--Is that the point of this fast? I know I'm sounding confusing but I kind of am.
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camillegal - I'm not taking the Arimidex yet. I really, REALLY didn't want to take it (big weenie about side effects) and my argument to the MO was that I had no estrogen in my body so why take the drug?
She straightened me out pretty quickly. For cancer patients who are obese, diet and exercise alone can reduce their risk of recurrence by 23%.
I actually found the program because I was overweight when I had my BMX w/TEs. I got Amazon-sized expanders. I asked my PS what would happen if he swapped out the TEs for the same size implants, and later on I lost weight. He said the implants wouldn't change. "So I'd have stripper boobs?" I asked him. He sort of blushed and nodded.
So I made the decision to enter the program and lose weight before exchange.
I had to get clearance from the MO, and she was THRILLED that I was going to do it. In fact, she sends many of her cancer patients into the program, just for overall health.
Having cancer and being obese is like having a time bomb inside you. If it's not a cancer recurrence, there are SO many other health issues that could disable you. She just wants us all to be at our healthiest. I had to exercise my butt off, too. You can't just do it by fasting.
I think the OP was talking about going on a starvation diet as a treatment for her cancer....as a way of "starving "the cancer cells.
I know that losing this weight has made me healthier overall, but it was not done in lieu of traditional treatment. I start Anastrozole next month. And I have my exchange next week!
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Thank u blessings for all the xplanation. Lately it seems like there's more confusion in how I understand things. Now u made it clear to me. It makes perfect sense about being over weight and all health issues, so treatment or meds would maybe be less of a problem. Still I give u so much credit that is very hard to do.
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Wow, Blessings, you are so disciplined and amazing! Four months!
Reading your story of how your liver enzymes skyrocketed and your gall bladder went sludgey and you had to be closely monitored, made me realize that my friend's recommendation may have been made in good faith, but it's too risky for someone like me to try because no doctor has recommended it.
Thank you for the warning.
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Sandy, great thread :
http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/121/topic/791885?page=1#idx_26
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Dear Sandyflats,
Please keep in mind these principles:
Thhere is no single "anti-cancer" diet. Diet to cure YOUR cancer depends on many factors including:
Type of cancer (ER+ or not? Invasive? In Situ) etc. etc.
Stage of cancer
Metastis or local
Your BODY TYPE (overweight? underweight? medium?)
Treatment protocols (are you post surgical? on drugs? 100% natural? on chemo? on radiation?)USA is very "fad diet" culture. It is dangerous to bring this attitude to cancer treatment.
That being said ... there is general concensus to eliminate the following foods:
Sugar, white flour, whole wheat flour, booze, most vegetable oils, shortening, margerine, caffeine, sweeteners, factory-farmed animal products (i.e. eggs, meat, chicken, dairy) any processed or packaged food.
Add LOTS of things that don't have ingredients lists because they don't NEED an ingredients list.
Fresh fruits and veggies, honey (raw, not cooked), real maple syrup, olive oil, sesame oil.
Eliminate grains & flours altogether or use organic buckwheat flour if you really need a waffle or bread or whatnot.
Things like rice and beans or lentils will depend on YOUR body type. Also percentage of RAW to cooked food should depend on your body type.
Many people use things like almond milk to substitute for dairy, ezekial bread to substitute for regular bread, and some people use soy while others eliminate it entirely. I personally only use soy sauce and miso in small qualitites for flavor.Basically, if it comes in a bottle, jar, can, or package - skip it
If you picked it yourself, or made it from scratch - its probablly okShop at farmers' markets if you can to get best quality fresh seasonal local produce.
After these general principles, please research the best diet for YOU and YOUR cancer based-on your health. There are many good books and loads of info on the Internet, but ther is no one-size-fits-all.
There are too many variables with a disease like cancer.
Also, if you are treating cancer 100% naturally you may be on your special diet for the long haul. This means having a diet which tastes good and satisfies both your nutritional and emotional needs. So also consider the difference between a long-term cancer fighting diet vs. a short-term FAST. Fasting is different than regular diet but also can be beneficial to health.Good luck!
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Hi sandy, you can find a few study results on the starvation diet, as well as intermittent caloric restriction, and diabetic style diets on the 'alternative approach to stage IV etc' thread i started in this alt forum. A few of us discuss it in some detail. At stage IV its a very serious decision to make, as we have to be careful of cachexia, or wasting syndrome. Keep in close contact with your health team to monitor your health if you do try it. Check out the results from the studies of earlier stage women and diet on the stage IV alt thread too. There tends to be many more studies on earlier stage women than stage IV women. Key words to google are 'diet and breast cancer' and click the scholar links at the top of the search. They are very informative, and can help you, for now, avoid the many sales pitches. Natkats post pretty much says it all. Keep researching, one thing i do know, a really healthy diet wont harm you
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p.s i think your friend mentioned holland due to a study on the people there who were near starvation for a few years, and a coinciding low rate of cancer. I actually may have uploaded that study onto the stage IV alt thread, not sure. I remember reading it though. Someone else may be able to find it for you.
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Thank you, everyone. I appreciate your help. I really want to do everything that I can to beat this thing. I feel uncomfortable taking other treatment (radiation starting soon) so passively, just sitting there being treated as if cancer is just something that can be washed off. It's a part of me, so I feel that in some way I should do whatever possible to make myself a less friendly host to it. But on the other hand, I don't want to do something that's just going to make me miserable (not to mention make my family miserable). And I certainly don't want to be foolish. So, thank you for the information, warnings and links. Lots to think about.
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Sandy, as a dietician, I can tell you this is a very bad idea. You've gotten some good advice here. Having gone through chemo, and with rads on the horizon, your body will need protein and lots of it to recover. Not that it shouldn't ever be considered, but I don't think now's the time. Eat healthy....but eat. Best of luck to you with your upcoming rads.
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Thank you, Gracie1. I'm not considering the starvation diet any more. But I'm glad that I ran it by all of you.
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