Alternative Treatment

Blue dahlia,

I have already posted several times and don't want to belabor the point but Abigail has made her position abundantly clear. I think self diagnosis is a terrible idea but she has a right to seek medical,confirmation or not. What is the point in badgering her about this? Why can't everyone let it go?

Caryn

WE are not doctors and may be feeding into something that needs medical attention, be it physical or psychological.  You are doing her an injustice by coddling her.

Joy, I don't want to argue but I think, personally, this is all an attention seeking endeavour for whatever reason and I will not be a party to it.  I made my point.  Ciao ciao!

Joy said,"If we excluded people like Abigail and then read their obituary would we feel good about having excluded them due to their choices?"

I would change that to-if we encouraged people  to continue as they have, and then read their obituary, would we feel good about encouraging them in their choices? 

Mary 

Mardibra,

I'm just asking that people respect each others decisions and not badger those who have chosen paths we disagree with. It seems pointless to keep going over the same ground. You did hit the nail on the head by the way. I am an elementary school teacher and this is pretty much how we would handle a situation like this at school. We agree to disagree and then let it go.

Caryn

My father was 76, about the same age as Abigail, when he was diagnosed with cancer and refused treatment.  Not that treatment would have helped anyway.  He had decided years earlier that due to his life circumstances he didn't see the point in living any longer and wished for an early death.  All we could do as a family was give him emotional support and be there for him as his life slipped away.  Neither the doctors nor family had the right to try talking him into treatment which would have maybe delayed death by a few weeks at enormous QOL cost. 

Any nurse, doctor or professional knows people have a right to decide their own treatment.  There are so many in poor countries that don't even get the choice of treatment or even any palliative help.  Maybe those who show so much concern could sponsor one of them to get treatment, especially young women caring for children whose life would be cut short.  That would be fantastic. Save a life, if that's what you really want.

One last thing. I am deeply offended that she would self diagnose PD so flippantly!  AND I worked in an elementary school too.  When there was a real problem, we called the parents to get the necessary help for a child who had special problems.  I don't think we were equipped to handle them.

Blue - I agree that it is insulting when hypochondriacs misdiagnose themselves with very serious illnesses based simply on a popularized misconception about a symptom of said illness.

Man, when people call those they dislike "crazy" I want to intervene and say "hey, you have no idea what crazy really means...."

So, for the record, shaking does NOT mean you have PD - only a careful work-up specialists can assess that. AND, if someone is obnoxious, they are not necessarily mentally ill - they are just obnoxious or, in the worst case bad, but perfectly sane people.

All that aside, if a 76-year old finds some sort of comfort in believing that she has had  untreated AIDS for half of her life, then who am I to take the illusion away?

Buyer beware. The BCO discussion forums are NOT scientific salons, and people shouldn't expect perfectly sourced and reliable information. Sometimes you just have to go with the flow, realize that there is no gatekeeper here and use common sense. Oh, and learn to be less intolerant and insufferable.

Athena,

Well said.

Caryn

Okay, I know someone is going to bite my head off for questioning this, but since when are biopsies and ultrasounds "corporate medicine?"  I'm not saying Abigail should or shouldn't do something, it's obviously her own decision, but I was just surprised to see biopsies and ultrasounds labeled as "corporate" now.  Is there an alternative, natural, "non-corporate" way to diagnose cancer?

Well, I found both my lumps myself by checking monthly.  When I found my first lump in 1982 the doctor did a biopsy in his office. No such thing as ultrasounds at that time. I then chose a mastectomy as lumpectomies were very new then and the doc didn't really trust them. There was no follow up for me; other than a yearly blood test.  Things were so much easier then without all these tests they do nowadays.

I was cancer free for 28 years until I got a new primary in the opposite breast.

ELLAGIC ACID - RED AND BLACK RASPBERRY

Moving this ellagic acid info forward for all, conventional and traditional choices - I was able to speak to Dr. Webb, who was involved in the original ellagic acid research at Hollings Institute.  He said 1/4 scoop of black raspberry and 3/4 scoop of red raspberry powder, the Meeker variety is best and not from an extract on shelf and losing potency, my caution there, this is about life.  I am emailing him this evening to find out how many x a day when one had lymph node cancer and breast caoncer.  Will add that info when received.  Anyway, I had ordered black then ordered the red.  Quite comfortable w my decision to make this a center to my protocol.  I was cautioned, no pork, no store chocolate use the good real stuff that is made without white sugar, and no white sugar.  Be happy, be beautiful, be as young as I was before this shit started, be me. 

Note within 48 hours the research proved the G-arrest would begin, meaning the G-arrest stops the process of the cells mutating and dividing out of control.  Within 72 hours the P53 gene would be supported so it can induce the normal cell death or apotosis.   If you check this out on your own, please post back here and let others know what happens with you over the days, weeks, months, years. 

posted earlier.

Yesterday I ordered 1/2 pound of black raspberry seed powder to add to my smooth Budwig drink with all the other good stuff I put in it (chastetree berry, iodine, sea calcium, potassium, magnesium, probiotics, tumeric, etc.).  I was after the red raspberry seed powder but when I got to the website by Dr. Jim Webb (involved in original study mentioned below) I found that their recent research proved the black to be 3+x more powerful though the book I was reading did not mention black. And NO I did not see anything on Dr. Oz LOL, I read this in some books and had decided to add to protocol, but I see Dr. Oz has been telling gen public about the ellagic acid and the red raspberry alone contains about 6x more than other berries. First found it in a natural health and nutrition book then in Outsmart Your Cancer book. The quality of red or black raspberry powder must be high, as that used in all the studies, anything off shelf will not do.

The research on ellagic acid was done at Hollings Cancer Institure by Dr. Nixon ---- greater than 40 mg a day showed induce normal cell death in cancer cells. Many other studies supported this finding, effective against colon, cerical, breast, prostate, lung, esophageal, pancreatic, melanoma, leukemia. Supports the P53 gene so it can induce apotosis and induces G-arrest which stops process that causes cancer cells to mutate/dividing. To those of us alties who realize by now that there is strong belief and proof that cancer can also grow from the bacteria we all have when our host defense is down for whatever reason (trauma, toxins, health issues other than cancer and more, meaning a change in the host i.e. us, then to know that ellagic acid is also a powerful antibacterial and antiviral is key too because when the bacteria morphs (pleomorphic) into something else, it becomes a virus too and can morph back again to bacteria. This morphing only takes a cancer-causing form when the host is off, only then. Not an infectious disease, it is a personal health transition. See Rife information for details and to realize a microscope was made to see this happen back in 1930s - 1970s. Therefore antibacterial and antiviral is of utmost important to research for yourself. As far as more benefits for ellagic acid from the red raspberry and now the black especially, the AMA even lists strong ellagic acid as 1) activating detoxifying enzymes in liver, 2) preventing binding of carcinogens to cellular DNA, 3) an antioxidant that helps clear away free radicals, 4) stimulates immune system.

Other ellagic acids are available with other research tied to their wonderful benefits, one being the Chinese gall, but I have not read much on this.

Diane Essa

The way I see it is, unlike some others who have come and gone, wreaking havoc by trying to sell some "treatment" under the guise of a journey, but then making the moderators lock their threads when things go wrong, and skulking off to greener pastures, Abigail isn't hurting anyone.  I feel badly that she won't get a formal diagnosis, and is probably living her life in fear of these things, but she's almost 80 years old...she has earned the right to do what she wants, to live (or even die) on her own terms.  It's not like people are going to follow her lead, and look to her as an expert.  So, other than wishing her well, and hopiing her self-diagnosis is wrong, live and let live in her case.  JMO

Bluebird

You asked :" QUESTION - did I mess something about the dx mammos?  Is it true that those are so much stronger and can they burn you?  or waht was the reference?  Lost me, thanks...."

I dont know if they can burn you...I sure would like that answer!

I do know that I had one back in april and will get another in OCT.

They definitely hurt more than the regular and also involve (even) more compression and are more targeted ...not fun, by any means.

I know that after having 4 taken in Sept and 6 in Dec, I felt burned.  I had internal pain prior, the reason for the 6 taken againsst my better judgement, why it always comes to that little detail of my better judgement, I have to learn I guess.... but after the 6 mammo slides, within a day or two I experienced skin pain, burning, felt like hell on fire, a discolouration and redness in top of right breast.... and I remember that I was terrified I now was developing inflammatory bc, but eventually the pain left on skin in about 4 weeks I believe so I knew it was not IBC.  The pain internal was mostly over in 5 months, that was from surgery, being scraped from inside out esp behind nipple and losing 25% of right breast tissue, but I chose that over a mx. 

I do believe with all my heart that I was burned, perhaps too much in one time frame 4 then 6 plus surgery.  So question was....

"Did I MISS something, not mess LOL, on the mammos and I was wondering if these were regular mammos or the digital and if anyone has ever had an issue like mine with perhaps too much too soon.

LOVEssa