When do most recurrences for HER2 happen? Revived round 2...

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  • shadow2356
    shadow2356 Member Posts: 393
    edited August 2012

    I read on here once that the risk of recurrence is either 0 or 100%. Meaning, either it will recur or it won't. There is no way of knowing. I look at Cool Breeze (Ann) who recurred and ask why. We were diagnosed at the same time. We had similar cancers. Why did she recur and I did not? Or, did I but I just don't know yet?

    I know that I can't dwell on the whole thing because then cancer wins. If you worry all the time you still lose a big chunk of your life. I do my best to move it out of my mind. That has gotten much easier over time. It is almost impossible in the early stages of diagnosis.

    Tomorrow it will be 3 years since my diagnosis. The chemo and herceptin side effects are over. I am loviong life and expecting another baby in March (with the help of a gestational carrier). I know I could recur but I am choosing to live as though I will not.

    Every day is a gift, untie the ribbons!!!

  • Cowgirl13
    Cowgirl13 Member Posts: 1,936
    edited August 2012

    Shadow, congratulations on being 3 years out.  I was 3 years out in June and I think 3 years is big.  Its really all in the past, if you will.  Could be different tomorrow but i'm not going there.  I want to be happy today.

  • cvmarilyn
    cvmarilyn Member Posts: 179
    edited August 2012

    Hi All - I am just about to do chemo #3 and am feeling low - I miss my hair, I miss my sort of carefree life - I get in these negative jags - ughhhhhh - and it is so good to read that you are doing well 3 years out - I only can hope and pray to join your ranks.  God bless you all ~

    cvm 

  • starella
    starella Member Posts: 159
    edited September 2012
  • evergreen9
    evergreen9 Member Posts: 131
    edited September 2012

    Lately I have noticed some pain when I touch the area around my nipple, of the breast where I had the lumpectomy 20 months ago. And of course I fear a recurrence. I don't think I feel a lump, but who can be sure. What do others think?

  • Alicethecat
    Alicethecat Member Posts: 535
    edited September 2012

    Hi Marilyn

    Once you've finished your chemo, you are likely to start feeling better quite quickly.

    I'm a month past my final chemo now and feeling 50 per cent back to normal but cheery.

    Hope you will too.

    Alice

  • bcbarbie10
    bcbarbie10 Member Posts: 319
    edited September 2012

    Evergreen, it might be that you've been poking around that area a little too often so now it's tender. Hope it' s nothing.

  • bhd1
    bhd1 Member Posts: 3,874
    edited September 2012

    everyone is different.   you are not a statistic.   i had recurrance 6 months after stopping herceptin

  • cvmarilyn
    cvmarilyn Member Posts: 179
    edited September 2012

    Hi Barb, I am sorry to hear your news.  I hope that you are doing OK.  What is the plan?

    Marilyn 

  • JRyan
    JRyan Member Posts: 178
    edited October 2012

    Evergreen, sounds like time for a check-up. No sense worrying ourselves when the drs are there.

    Barb, sorry to hear of your recurrence. May i ask how you found it?

    My fear is that i get done with herceptin and go about my life thinking all is fine, not knowing that something is happening that i can't feel. When those of you finished tx, did you get any scans or tests that showed you were clear? I asked my mo at last visit 'how do we know its gone'. He said 'we don't but it was probably gone after surgery, before you even got to me'. Your thoughts?

  • suemed8749
    suemed8749 Member Posts: 1,151
    edited October 2012

    Hi JRyan - Your diagnosis is much the same as mine. I finished my year of Herceptin in April of 2009 (after 2 lumpectomies, a uni-mastectomy, 6 x Taxol, Carboplatin, Herceptin.) Before port removal, my onc's fabulous PA ordered a CT/Pet scan, which thankfully showed NED.

    I did get into a clinical trial for Neratinib after that, which provided some testing and follow-up. Since then, my onc does tumor markers every visit ("graduated" to every 6 months now - yay!) in addition to blood tests. I know that he will not hesitate to order scans/other tests if I have a complaint - a friend who also goes to him recently had a brain MRI based on headaches (all clear!)

    So yeah, the fear is always there, but it is in the background to a certain extent now.
    Sometimes a headache, backache, pelvic pain, etc., is just a normal part of life. After all, I'm almost 5 years older than when diagnosed!

    I wish you all the best as you finish treatment and get back to living as normal a life as possible. And listen to your mo - he sounds like a wise man!

    Sue

  • CameraKim
    CameraKim Member Posts: 81
    edited March 2013

    I just spent the better part of an hour reading the first Her2 recurrence thread and then this newer one. I hope people keep adding to this because it's so interesting what different opinions are out there in the medical community.

    I asked my MO about how she felt about recurrence chances dropping off after 3 years, and she responded that it's closer to 5 years for me. Her feelings were that triple negatives recurrence chances dropped significantly after 3 years, but for her2 was closer to 5. 

    I've finished neoadjuvant chemo...have had scans that show my tumor shrank by 85% and normal looking nodes (one was shown to have cancer before chemo). Had my lumpectomy & SNB last week and am now waiting for pathology. This whole process is so draining. Just when I finally start getting some positive news...the old fears sneak back in. 

  • marjie
    marjie Member Posts: 1,134
    edited March 2013

    I don't think the old fears ever actually go away, we just sort of learn to live with them.  I know my mind will start going if I wake up one morning with a headache....then I just tell myself, if it's still there in a week, maybe call the doctor, and I carry on. 

    I have a friend who went through BC close to the same time I did and she recently found out she had mets and is now a stage iv.....that threw me for a loop and I really struggled with the fears and worries again.....you're right CameraKim - it's so draining!

  • sciencegal
    sciencegal Member Posts: 1,120
    edited June 2013

    Thank you for all of this info girls. My doc said if I do everything (neoadjuvant therapy, mastectomy and radiation), I will have an 85% chance of survival. She did not say how long, I noticed, and I am not asking right now, just getting through it. I start rads next week.

    One day at a time.

    hugs to all.

  • maryannecb
    maryannecb Member Posts: 1,453
    edited June 2013

    The fear does get better as time marches on..but even after 8 years I think about cancer at least once/day. The rest of the day I carry on as usual. :)

  • barbiecorn
    barbiecorn Member Posts: 437
    edited June 2013

    I have not been on this site for awhile because I try not to think about breast cancer...but it is so hard as we all know.. and especially with HER2+ diagnosis....I am a year and a half out of bi-lateral mascectomy and feel well...I chose not to do conventional treatment for many reasons...I am taking the holistic approach....from what I have read and learned whether with chemo, radiation, herceptin, or holistic...there are no guarantees that this dreaded cancer will not return in fact there are no guarantees in life about anything....I know women who did nothing after their surgery and are still well 30 years later and I know women who did everything and are well for years only to have it come back....there is no guarantee that whatever it is you do to prevent recurrence, it will work....that is why I try to live each day to the fullest and I must say with this terrible diagnosis in 2011, my life is so much fuller now that I realize we only have today to be well and happy...it has made me realize that family and good friends and loved ones are so important...the little things that got me down do not get me down any longer...in fact, I don't get down much at all because today is too precious to me....my wish for all of us is to stay well and happy each and every day....hugs to my sisters!!!!!!

  • KellyJ64
    KellyJ64 Member Posts: 3
    edited June 2013

    Hi, I'm about 2 years out now and doing well.  I'm getting pain from tamoxifen in legs and feet.  Tramadol helps with that.  Still have neuropathy from Taxol.  So far no recurrences. Yea!  I try to eat really healthy, which keeps my weight in check. I really don't spend time worrying about it coming back.

  • septembersong
    septembersong Member Posts: 287
    edited July 2013

    Hello, all, 

    I had my annual screening/diagnostic mammogram today. It was clear, and I was very relieved--even after five years, I get extremely anxious in the days leading up to my mammogram. 

    But I'm here, life is good, the sun comes up every day, and I keep learning what it means to live with this diagnosis, this disease, this experience in my life. You will too. 

    Happiness and good health to you all!

    Ann

  • sciencegal
    sciencegal Member Posts: 1,120
    edited July 2013

    Thanks Ann, congrats on your "five year pin". Good for you!!! And Maryann- eight years- yay!!!



    Congrats also to Kelly and Barbie- and may we all stay forever NEDs!!



    :)

  • sallyw
    sallyw Member Posts: 15
    edited August 2018

    My oncologist just discharged me after 10 years because she hasn't ever had a patient with my type of bc who got a recurrence after that point. She did say that it's possible to get bc again but that it would be a new primary, not a recurrence. I'm sure it helped that I was on the herceptin clinical trial for early bc.

    Sally

    Update 8/18/18: Now at 15 years post-bc!

  • sciencegal
    sciencegal Member Posts: 1,120
    edited July 2013

    Sally congratulations!!!! How wonderful for you- and wonderful to hear.



    And thank you from all of us on wonderful herceptin for being brave enough to be in that first trial! You are my hero!

  • septembersong
    septembersong Member Posts: 287
    edited July 2013

    Sally, 

    Just adding one more voice to the chorus of thanks--for posting your good news and for having the courage and determination to join that initial trial. Our debt to you and the other women who participated in that trial can't be overstated. 

    Wishing you a long, happy, and healthy life. 

    Ann

  • suemed8749
    suemed8749 Member Posts: 1,151
    edited July 2013

    Sally - Congratulations and thanks to you. I began Herceptin in 2008 - two years after it was approved for early-stage bc. 5 years later - doing great! 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2013

    New to this forum -- I hope I can help you all feel better.

    I started Herceptin in early 2005, just after they stopped the clinical trials so that they could give Herceptin to all HER2+ patients. I was diagnosed in August 2004 -- finished Herceptin late January 2006.

    I have NO signs of any recurrence!!!!! Isn't modern medicine wonderful?

    BTW, didn't know there is a triple positive forum. Guess I will be heading there later.

    Shari

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited July 2013

    Thank you all for posting your experiences. And congratulations to Sally, Shari, and everyone celebrating milestones!

    • Your Mods

  • LeslieVilla
    LeslieVilla Member Posts: 95
    edited July 2013

    Redwolf,  Amen sister. How are you doing now?

  • LeslieVilla
    LeslieVilla Member Posts: 95
    edited July 2013

    J-ryan, did you have rads after your lumpectomy?

  • LeslieVilla
    LeslieVilla Member Posts: 95
    edited July 2013

    Sue did you have a rads after lumpectomy? i have IDC with Her2nue+ and am going through 18 rounds of chemo right now and trying to decide if i shoudl do rads or masectomy. I 'm praying that I can leave all this behind me one day.

  • sciencegal
    sciencegal Member Posts: 1,120
    edited July 2013

    Hi Leslie, for me, I had a large tumor and had to do both mastectomy and rads. But yours is much smaller.



    If you have lumpectomy as you know they will probably really want you to do rads. We just dont want to take chances.



    I am so grateful for the success stories here, and for herceptin. Thank you everyone.

  • suemed8749
    suemed8749 Member Posts: 1,151
    edited July 2013

    Hi Leslie - I had a lumpectomy and a re-excision but still did not achieve clean margins, so I then had a mastectomy with silicone implant reconstruction. No rads since I had no lymph nodes - I would have needed rads if I had not had the mast. I know a lot of women choose bilateral mastectomy, but I've been happy with unilateral mast. 

    Wishing you all the best whatever you decide. Sue

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