Alternative Treatment

NattyGroves,

I was answering a question that was specifically asked by Abigail. 

4 hours ago abigail48 wrote:

okay, lets not get polarized though, that doesn't help anyone.

can't they tell what kind of breast cancer by where it's located?  how do the biopsies tell?

By the way, abigail48 has not had a diagnosis.  She has a very large red lump.  Best wishes, Abigail48.  I will not be posting again and will take this thread off my list.

I thought that anyone could post in a forum if they thought their words would help another sister.

It does not make sense to me to ask people to stay away from your forum.

Susie,

Abigail has unique and deeply personal reasons for not getting a diagnosis. I think that continuing to hound her about it won't change her perspective. Badgering rarely works with most people. That being said, I think self diagnosis of bc or any major illness is a bad idea. After all, you have to know what you're treating in order to treat it whether you choose alternative or conventional tx. Caryn

back to alternative stuff?

I would hope that none of us leave!!

sweet bean:  it is not a rash:  there are new still small veins feeding the red place on the hardened & moved up cyst.  if I was a scientist looking at it I would want to cut the veins & see what happens, It no doubt would form new ones.

I'd like to see the cell slides to see the difference between the types.

will be off to the studio for several days beginning this sunday & next

that is the topic of this thread is it not?

& what if the protocals for the diagnosis cause more trouble?

Eeeek....(sweetbean, stop posting...)OK, just one last point.  Ruby, since I work for a naturopath, I watch her diagnose people all day long.  People can come in with abdominal pain, however, the treatment is TOTALLY different depending on the diagnosis.  Abdominal pain can be caused by GERD, candida, or IBD.  She will prescribe totally different tinctures, supplements, and diet strategies based on what is causing the pain.  Natural treatments may not cause any harm, but they also might not be that helpful if you don't know what you are dealing with.

However, I'll say it again - I am not pressuring anyone to see a doctor or have a treatment of any kind.  I'm just disagreeing with the idea that a diagnosis is unneccessary for quality treatment.  

gary just said a study that the more stress you have the faster the cancer grows.

he also mentioned a study stating clove oil is the best antioxidative spice, gary said cinnemon is even more so..talking about fish now, said sardines the best, but possible to get fresh ones???

I have no idea what the naturopath I write knows, but I've mentioned this thread & the dlocked forum & I write her once a month.

& in this very small place what is the liklihood that any gp at the hospital here has ever seen ibc or knows what it is

How about we discuss what alternative choices we can make for various cancer dx.

• ILC, IDC, IBC, DCIS,
• tumors vs masses vs in situ vs multifocal,
• ER+ or ER-,
• PR+ or PR-,
• HeR2+ or HeR2-
• or any combination thereof, 
• aggressive vs not so much....
• small vs large,
• B-cell vs T-cell, (do not even know if this is a factor, here to learn)
• in nodes and not,
• mets and not......

That was a worthy comment, in stating that there are different choices while using alternatives for breast cancer.

My integrative MD / pathologist, holistic chiropractor and Chinese medicine person, and the endocrinologist I am heading for next week, all asking hundreds of questions to dx and taking every inch of reports I have thus far.  They want to know what they are dealing with.  

But a healer of whatever degree, they often can tell what it is by knowing all about the person.  The homeopath for one, spends hours on a patient's information to find the clues of the body, spiritual, emotional, physical, illness and wellness of a person.  Very often they do not even treat for cancer, it goes deeper to them, cancer is a catch-all like Lupus, when they know the real reason is so far underneath and they must get to it becasue the life of the patient is at stake.

In my opinion, from the first beginning of a mass, cancer is systemic.  And can be terminal if left unchecked.  It cannot just be cut out and viola, no more cancer, NED.  The host is off-kilter healthwise, for whatever reason, and while natural phleomorphic changes are made in the bacteria to virus to bacteria, now the cells are affected.  Simple as I can put it.  The host, meaning us, must come back into balance and the unnautral cell issues dealt with - both must happen or it is futile to think any changes of NED can be long-lasting no matter what the testing reveals.  If becomes a life thing, not a few months and NED.

Does not matter whether aggressive or not, en mass or in situ, throughout the body or localized.  Everything must be addressed that can be for the host to bring balance and for the cells to be given every chance to BOTH heal or die.  I say both because who can take the chance on choosing one over the other, such a gamble could be mistaken.  I use multiple therapies for both causations each and everyday, changing choices often, hammering this and sometimes more relaxed, listening closely.

ER+ PR+ HeR2+, or not, to me with very extremely e x t r e m e l y limited knowledge of cancer on the scientific level.... this is especially where the choices in alternatives must be considered very seriously, this is where the diagnosis can make the difference.  One can be partaking and using various estrogen-laden foods (not talking about phytoestrogens bcz that is another conversation and deserves a lot of attention) lotions, dishsoap, breathing toxic air, etc., and fueling the ER+ cancer.   But, why do those things to begin with?  The bioidentical progesterone is another conversation, do a bco search and find threads with info, there are multitudes of studies from worldwide scientists, doctors proving this being beneficial for PR+ cancer.  So worthy of considering what to do with alternative choices but I am not recommending anyone do so, must be medically supervised by a knowledgeable source or could do harm.  Just like homeopathy can do harm, how can something so powerful not do harm if not used properly and with true skill and knowing how to anecdote if issues arise for the patient, so not saying to play with that either.  Just watching my back here.

We find out by a biopsy or excisional biopsy of the mass.  We risk spread of cancer in doing so, live link to studies and admissions from medical professions on seedingwhich does happen and is a fearful thing to me personally, and I am dealing with it now.

1. http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/5/topic/672467?page=1#
2. http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/62/topic/748686?page=1#
3. last paragraph in sciencemag    http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2012/03/cancers-many-faces-of-resistance.html
4. and if anyone wants to kick around some Karl Loren info, see his frank links on biopsies and cancer. 

If one is not going to do conventional radiation or chemo, then what is a biopsy worth?  Wecan glean soem onfo hat could be useful, but for the most part, as I am face-to-face with, the danger of seeding and creating more cancer for my tx and immune system to deal with is what has happened, causing me great alarm. And just having the lumpectomy with 25% of my breast removed in 2011 still left me in harms way.  Because it is systemic.

To biopsy is a choice that is highly personal and involves personal belief systems AND whatwe wil do next.  When we know more about the cancer then we can fine tune choices for alternative tx.  To me, it all comes back to the same thing.

Aggressively and for life dealing with the fact that one's system took a course with cancer and to not do so again.

LOL - I know sweetbean, I feel the same way, dianeessa stop posting, let it go.  No love lost, okay.  See you in the threads, as always.  And I have to say working for a naturopath would be an ideal job for me.

Been a storm through here twice in morn and another just went over, so took a long time to get back to computer, not that I have been sitting here for hours. 

I know, the first naturopath that I went to wasn't so hot.  

I would recommend anyone with access to NYC go see George Wong - he specializes in herbs and TCM. He has basically studied breast cancer his whole life and his knowledge is impressive.  Even my BS likes him!  He could definitely come up with an herbal protocol designed to address specific types of BC. 

joy lies within, the aussie nurse here has studied eastern herbs

I think he was about $200/month for the herbs. 

The AIDS virus was/is pretty vicious, especially back in the 80's.    I would have been surprised if you had told me that they had beated AIDS with herbs.  The difference here, though, is that Wong actually knows a ton about the science of breast cancer. 

gary just now on the health segment of his broadcast:  exsercize helps with cancer .  2, olives & olive oil, general health, gojiberries aka wolf berries strengthen immune system

Thanks Graced - I will look into these options. I don't really feel I need to do anything else, but after reading all these posts I'm wondering