"Cancer Cleanse Camp?"

Ruby, why does that have to happen?  Can't we, as civilised adults, discuss things on which we have widely diverging points of view and not get personal and/or rude with each other?  I have learned alot from many of the people who post here, I try to remain dispassionate (unless directly attacked), and I try to understand.  

Now, now, TNM, you are losing your cool and yelling at me with your bold caps .....lol 

I have no idea who that person is and have no inclination to read about it - why don't you brief me ? or better yet start a new thread about the dangers of alt therapies on the more conventional forums ? 

Kay, I'm not familiar with you (maybe you've changed your profile ?) but I'm guessing you would be very lonely in a crowd which does not extend their courtesy

"I promise nobody will force you to read this thread or to read about Judy Seeger and her woo"

'Do you have any information or opinions you'd like to discuss about "DR." JUDY SEEGER'S CANCER CLEANSE CAMP? 

Why are you then forcing me to read about her ? 

Kay, we like-minded sisters get along beautifully - if rules and boundaries were respected, the moderators would not have their hands full and there would be peace on BCO - wouldn't that be heavenly 

Not only a nice try, but I was right on target 

Don't know....isn't it a bit embarrassing to say you've thrown in the towel, no longer posting on BCO yet feel compelled to ressurect this thread only to cry quack....a man's word ?  Your friends are watching.... 

"Warning: Skeptics may be harmful to your health - Coming between cancer patients and personal choice

Do some so-called ´Skeptics´ ever stop to consider the potential harm they do to cancer patients?

Their obvious disregard for, and dismissal of, any scientific evidence that conflicts with their ´stance´ renders them open to claims of bigotry and makes it all to easy for real oncologists to dismiss then as irrelevant. Somehow, I doubt they care.

However, there is little doubt that their actions can and do mislead the lay person, the patient who is already confused and frightened by the diagnosis of cancer. The net effect is that, rather than ´protecting´ the patient as they claim to be doing, they confuse the patient more, restrict their treatment choice and reduce their potential survival times. Ultimately, the only thing they really protect is Pharmaceutical companies´ profits.

Misinformation and disinformation

Skeptics seem to operate at two levels:

1) The ´we believe we´re do-gooders´: the several hundred foot soldiers who meet in pubs and tweet under bizarre, often childish, monikers; they frequently sound like mid-life crisis sufferers yearning for the days back behind the cycle sheds poking fun at school prefects and teachers alike. They can be anything from pathetically puerile to downright abusive, even publically swearing at people in tweets. Their communications often contain not one scintilla of science. But then, that isn´t the issue. They are frequently just being ´used´ by......

2) The ´Placements´: The other end of the spectrum - the few ´opinion former/leaders´, most usually, directly or indirectly, funded by Big Pharma, Big food, mobile telephony companies or whatever, happy to allow vested interests to drive their opinions. (In our investigations, two of them we found had started their ´skepticism´ when they perceived they had been ´wronged´ in their academic posts by ´complementary medicine´ and its advocates!)

There is frequent communication between the top people and their sycophant followers and highly organised attacks on, for example, Acupuncture and its practitioners, Homeopaths, Chiropractors, Herbalists, Nutritionists, Complementary and Alternative Medicine and anything or anyone else that ultimately is perceived to represent a threat to the sales of drugs.

Importantly, you will not find one mention by them of matters crucial to the genuine interests of cancer patients such as the increasing number of illnesses and deaths from cocktails of prescribed medicines, bribery settlements where drug companies were trying to encourage doctors to prescribe one prostate cancer drug over a better one, or cases where thousands of patient details were passed to the safes-force of one pharma company for money, or simply the multitude of over-claims for certain new ´wonder´ drugs in press releases to journalists. Press releases that reek of false hope and non-scientific eulogy.

Then there´s a group that deny there is any evidence for natural treatments or complementary therapies or newer ´alternative therapies´ like HIFU and Abletherm - their comments are frequently, quite simply, inaccurate and merely serve to confuse patients and restrict treatment choices further.  

The American Cancer Society report says that there has been an ´explosion´ of research into complementary therapies since 2006 and´overwhelming´ evidence that certain complementary therapies (for example: diet, exercise, weight control) CAN INCREASE SURVIVAL TIMES and STAY CANCER FREE! Yet several ´Skeptic opinion formers´ blatantly tell people there is absolutely no evidence for complementary therapies; all complementary therapies.

To cause further patient confusion and to stop patients taking up meaningful complementary therapies does not ´protect´ the patients. It stops them understanding the truth and taking small but positive steps to increase their personal odds of survival. The patient will not survive as long as they might well have done. Is a Skeptic who denies complementary therapy research worried about this?

Be clear: This is business. Very big business. ´GSK pleaded guilty to the illegal promotion (Incentives?) of two drugs as part of a $3 billion (three billion dollars) settlement - the largest US ´health care´ fraud case ever´. In part, the placements are just cogs in this big picture with many of the foot soldiers merely the pawns simply and unwittingly ´used´ to spread the confusion and disinformation.

To quote the words of George Bernard Shaw: "It is easy ...... terribly easy..... to shake a man´s faith in himself. To take advantage of that, to break a man´s spirit, is the devil´s work"

The one-sidedness of the Skeptic arguments says it all. If they are genuinely trying to help cancer patients by protecting them from ´snake oil salesmen´ they would realise the criticism of one homeopath in Australia who supposedly killed a child pales into insignificance with Thalidomide making a resurgence as a cancer drug, or 47,000 deaths to date from Vioxx. They would be arguing to protect cancer patients from all the fraudulent, not just the few they personally deem to be thus.

Frankly, their actions are scandalous"

Are Skeptics Simply The New ´quacks´?

"These faux intellectual lobby groups are running one of the greatest scams ever practised, yet they manage to keep their smug self-satisfied cynical demeanor as they destroy people's choice of health care therapies...

The role of ex-Revolutionary Communist Party members is a fascinating thread running through the fabric of the anti-natural healthcare campaign in the UK".

Oh my dog.

TNM:

"Yeah, Kay, me too! IMHO, useful information includes both pros and cons, and discussion/debate on those.

Straw men and smoke/mirrors are being evoked here, rather than honest discussion about "Dr." Judy Seeger, so I guess nothing has changed, sadly"

"She says you can cure your own cancer at home with three simple things: alkaline water, vegetable juice, and "dealing with your fears." That's why she's a quack, a charlatan, and a despicable snake oil salesman"

"Scratching my head smiley" honest discussion ? I agree, sadly nothing has changed 

ETA You should sign up for the Woo Woo Singing Competition 

LMOF, btw, thanks for posting and promoting your sources 

My chemo brain version of LMAO Lol

ETA, TNM "Sometimes there are only CONS and no pros to discuss"

Glad that you're finally admitting after all this, that you are not here to discuss but only to disrupt.  You really did not have to go through all the trouble.... 

only to conclude and to contradict yourself

"Sometimes there are only CONS and no pros to discuss" 

Your words hon, not mine  and the world is watching while this drama unfolds LoL 

BTW, shhhhh.... the bold caps, your lack of self-control is showing....

Now, about the towel.... 

dear, you're flirting with racial discrimination, only looks bad on you, your call 

Now, about the towel, can you explain in your best manners possible, without contradicting yourself ? 

From drama, this is turning into a comedy, how long before the musical ? 

After steeping to the lowest, yes racial discrimination and finding your bold caps ineffective, looks like you have no arguments left in your pockets, Lollll

Could it be that your towel is too big, maybe get a smaller one, like a hand towel, which could leave more room for your confusing, rambling contradictions ?