AM I crazy for wanting a PBMX for ALH and no family history?
I was diagnosed last October with multiple areas of ALH. After an excisional biopsy, I was upgraded to LCIS. My pathology slides were then sent to Johns Hopkins for a second opinion and they downgraded all areas to ALH. They recommended a "tie-breaker". My slides went to Vanderbilt University Hospital to the top LCIS pathologists who felt the cells were not quite distorted enough to be classified as LCIS. I have VERY dense and fibrocystic breast tissue and my imagery is almost impossible to read. I do not have any family history of breast cancer but my brother and cousin had colon cancer at ages 35 and 40. I decided to try the tamoxifen route and had terrible side effects. I am also a huge worrier. I think about a possible future breast cancer diagnosis every day. I was scheduled for a PBMX in May but I had to cancel the surgery due to a bad mediction reaction. I want to reschedule the surgery for the fall but I wonder if I am completely crazy for doing this. I almost wish everyone would have agreed with the LCIS diagnosis because then I would feel like I was dealing with something more serious and I'd feel confident in my decision to do the surgery. ALH seems like such a grey area...I hate this diagnosis!!!! At the same time, I am so thankful that ALH is all I have! Has anyone else been in this same situation? It seems that most women with ALH who have had mastectomies had a pretty strong family history. Thanks for any insight you can offer!
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You are most certainly not crazy for making decisions you will feel less stressed about once all is said and done and I do not think ANYONE would dare tell you what to do as this is an entirely personal decision. Good luck!
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dmarie, ALH doesn't always turn into cancer, but from what I've read, it increases your risk of breast cancer in the affected breast by 3 to 5 times than the unaffected breast. With that much increased risk factor already, I wouldn't think family history was relevant at this point. Your personal risk has increased. You're not crazy for wanting the PBMX. But you might want to consider that while a PBMX does lower your risk it doesn't take it down to zero. They do leave a small amount of breast tissue. Whatever you decide is right decision for you. I hope all goes well for you.
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I am not in your situation but whatever you decide to do is not crazy, especially if it makes you happier.
Maybe you are really asking for more insights or information, rather than an assessment of your mental state. I can't help you with the former but your state of mind sounds fine.
How do you feel about the surgery? Would you be happy with your decision to have reconstruction or not to?
If these are not concerning to you and you are able to have the surgery and won't regret it, then I see no problem in proceeding.
You may benefit from having a trained person to guide you through a structured decision making process for such a major decision. You don't want to regret your choice whatever it is. -
Sounds like a reasonable choice. You are not just interested in detecting cancer early - you don't want to get it at all. And sounds like you were very close to the LCIS line.
Are you planning to reconstruct? If so, immediately or delayed ?
I like the idea mentioned earlier of seeing a counsellor a couple times. They can be really helpful at any major decision. Help you clarify your pros and cons so you won't have regrets later, even if you run into complications. Help you prepare for the mastectomy - any special way you want to honor your breasts before surgery? Anything you need to prepare for as far as sexuality goes with altered breast sensation?
You should be prepared for some people around you to not understand your decision. Worth deciding who you will tell, who you won't. Are you confident enough in your approach that you can handle it if you someone in your life doesn't "get it"?
Good luck -
Thank you so much for your responses, advice and confirmation. I think what finally confirmed my decision was when my oncologist said, "You have a higher risk of developing invasive breast cancer than you do developing complications from the surgery". I also asked her what she would do if she were in my shoes. She explained that she spends her lunch hour visiting her hospice patients. She saw my diagnosis as a ticking time bomb. She said she wouldn't even take the chance of developing breast cancer. I've met with several breast surgeons and plastic surgeons at three top hospitals and I feel so confident in the doctors I've chosen to do the surgery. The PS is one of the nations best in breast reconstruction and he's completed over 1,000 expander to implant reconstructions. His NSMX results look amazing...more like augmentation than reconstruction. He told me that I should expect nothing less than excellent results.
Learnin - Are you suggesting I talk with a counselor who deals specifically with breast cancer? I would love to do that. Where do I find one?
All of my family and my friends are 100% behind my decision. I've had two doctors (my gynecologist and a BS I met with at Hopkins) tell me that surgery is way too extreme for this diagnosis but MANY other doctors I've discussed this with are fully supportive (especially the female drs). I just have so much respect for all of you on this site who have "fought the battle" and I wondered what you may have done if you were given such an early diagnosis. Thanks again!!!!!
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dmarie71 - I was one who chose NSMX for ALH. I was tired of the worry, I would have to have had constant monitoring, MRIs every year which find more things, which would mean more biopsies. The oncologist also wanted me to take Tamoxifen and I had talked to ladies that were on it and they hated the side effects. My surgeon also agreed with my decision and said she would do the same if it were her. I have been very happy with the whole process and would make the same decision again. If you have any questions please feel free to ask - or send me a message and I'll give you my phone number if you would like to chat about it. There aren't many ladies on here that have had masectomies when there diagnosis has been ALH. I will bump up a thread on it for you - look under active topics.
Hugs, Valerie
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Not crazy at all - actually, after 6 years of being Birads 3, going in every 6 months for diagnostics, follow ups, biopsies and surgeries - I would actually say you are quite sane!! I am all for getting rid of optional body parts that can later kill us. I started growing uteran fibroids and having ovarian cysts that were huge and painful (one collapsed while I was flying internationally!) and said right - I am done having kids - out with everything!
Do what is right for you and will give you piece of mind. I am very aware now of the interplay between our brains and our bodies, so if it takes away something that will rob your life of enjoyment, rest, pursuing goals, etc - then definitely proceed ahead!
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dmarie71- NOT crazy, as a matter of fact, it sounds like you have proceeded through all the right pathways and asked the right questions.
Your history sounds very much like mine. First there was ALH, several years and biopsies later, I am now upgraded to LCIS. I also do not have a strong family hx, paternal grandmother had BC in the 1950's..... one cousin on my mom's side. Mom's been deceased for many years and I have no sisters.
It is true that ALH seems like a very gray area but if you look at the research out there, some experts say that there is very little difference between ALH and LCIS. Some even say they are one and the same.
No matter how you look at it, either dx puts you in a high risk category and if you put meds and PBMX aside , your only other option is hyper vigilance for the rest of your life. If that option is increasing your anxiety to the point of interefering with your quality of life.....then I say, your body, your choice. It's even better if your BS supports your choice!
I, myself am jumping off the hypervigilance wagon next year in May. I am in the process of building a plan to rid myself of the monkey on my back. BS, DH, and all wonderful kids and friends are on board with me!
My best wishes go out to you.......
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BTW _ What part of PA are you from? I live in the eastern portion between Philadelphia and Wilkes Barre.
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auntiems3: I live in south-central PA, 30 minutes north of Harrisburg. Thanks for your response. I so desperately want to put all of this behind me. I'm currently struggling with some additional health issues currently (possibly an autoimmune disease), but I'm hoping I can proceed with surgery in the fall.
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I have been thinking the same thing. I was diagnosed with adh and alh a year ago. Now I have alh again plus I was called back for a third biopsy in less than a week because the surgeon seen something else that needed to be looked at. Waiting on those results. I told the surgeon i would rather lose the breast than have to have surgery and biopsies every year. He said lets not drop the atom bomb just yet. I know what I want to do. This is too much stress to live with. I feel like it follows me like a dark cloud not to mention what it is doing to my family and friends. I am so glad that there are women out there that share their stories. I don't feel like i am the only women who has made this choice at this early stage. i have read all I can get my hands on about this diagnosis and the medical opinions are so conflicting I would rather drop the bomb now instead of waiting for it to be dropped for me.
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Not at all. I was diagnosed with ALH and ADH. Had 11 biopsies in 5 years. Diagnosed with LCIS with the last surgery. That was it for me. I am having a pbmx on aug 14. I made my decision on the day the LCIS diagnosis came in and never looked back. I am nervous but not nearly as nervous as I was while waiting for all those biopsy results. Good luck to you!!
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Hi,
I was diagnosed also with ALH so I had a PBMX with implants. I am a life long worrier about anything and everything so I immediately chose the PBMX. Tamoxifen was a choice but i didn't want to take tamoxifen. How are you doing now? What did you decide to do about your ALH?
Amy Lynn -
Amy Lynn: Thank you for your reply. I am hoping to have the surgery in November. I had been taking lorazepam to deal with all of my anxiety due to the diagnosis. Three weeks before my surgery, my eye dr suggested I stop taking the lorazepam to see if it would help alleviate the severe dry eyes I was suddenly suffering from. I quit taking the medication cold turkey and immediately began experiencing wicked withdrawal symptoms. I was put back on the medication at a lower dosage and tapered off of it slowly over the next 3 months. My symptoms gradually improved, but I am still having issues with neuropathy. I've been to a neurologist and now I'll be seeing a rheumatologist this week to determine whether my symptoms are still related to the medication or if I have something else going on. I am sooooo frustrated. I just want to feel well again, especially before I have an elective major surgery. Sometimes I am second guessing doing the surgery because I do not have any family history of breast cancer. If I had a family history, it would truly be a no brainer. However, I am such a huge worrier and I can't live with this breast cancer black cloud looming over me! Thanks again! It is so helpful to hear from others who had to face this decision and chose to take drastic measures to deal with the diagnosis.
Dawn
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Dmarie,
No, you are not crazy. The treatment for breast cancer is difficult. Chemo, surgery, radiation, anti hormonals depending on your diagnosis. If you can avoid it, why not. I think although hard to do, you are making a good choice. Pam -
I decided to go with surgical biopsy for the second time. This is the last. Much worse than the first time. Started with 2 needle biopsies. Alh was diagnosed. Sent back for one more. Benign. Went for wire placement before surgery needle went in and was not in the right spot. The second try i became very hot,
sick and dizzy with introduction of the numbing agent. The needle was incerted and the last mammo was in progress. . . I woke up laying down with the doc holding my breast in his hands and the nurse putting cold water on my face. Went into surgery after that already worn out. If i get another diagnosis requiring surgery i will elect double mastectomy. I am not trying to scare anyone or enfluence anyone elses decession, but i am tired. I have had 6 biopsies counting 1do over, 3 wire placements and 2 surgeries. It takes an emotional toll and a physical toll. And the thought of doing this again and maybe again after that is terrifying to me. Right now i am waiting for the results of the surgical biopsy. I go for an mri in 2 days to diagnose a mass that is in my abdomen. More waiting. . .I try not to feel or sound doom and gloom but that is where my emotions are taking me right now. -
BBJBB - so sorry to hear all that you are going through. I totally understand about the countless biopsies and scares. I finally decided on double mastectomy when I was diagnoised with ALH - I have been very happy with the whole process and the constant worry is gone - finally
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Hi Dmarie71,
I just wanted to let you know that I was diagnosed with ALH in May 2011 and had a Bilateral Mastectomy June 2011. Due to many factors including:ALH, maternal breast cancer at young age, biorads 4 results, numerous biopsies, calcifications, lumpectomies, my breast surgeon suggested that I have the surgery as well as an oophorectomy. Of course, I was very scared.
Here I am a year later and I am doing great. Before, I was at the doctor's office monthly in 2010 for one test after another. I was hoping that 2011 would be different. Tests were still being performed.
Now, 2012, I am more relaxed and I am not at the doctor's office as often. You have to feel comfortable with your own decision for yourself. Don't let anyone try to sway you into anything that you are unsure of doing. I have come a long way since surgery. I had true belief in both of my surgeons. I had a positive attitude because I have seen my Mother live as a survivor for many years. She has always given the goodness of her heart to others. I knew that if she could survive, so could I.
This is my first posting; new to the site. I wish that I had known about this site before I had my mastectomy. Such a great resource for women.
I wish you the best in your decision. Plz let us know how your surgery goes in November. You will do great. Big hugs to you and all the other women that visit this site. I know there are many of you out there that have endured so much more that I.
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Hi Dmarie,
It is such a difficult decision to make. I have a significant family history. I have been getting annual mammo starting at age 28. I am 46. The last 6 years I have been on a mammo alternating MRI rotation every 6 months. I would also have clinical breast exams every 6 months. This does not include my annual Gyno exam.
About two years ago I knew I was done with the surveillance. I couldn't take the anxiety and stress that it put on me every 6 months. Two months before the test I would start to worry. I was not living the life that I wanted for myself and my family.
On August 7th I had a pbmx. The final pathology revealed Lobular neoplasia in both breasts. Prior to pbmx I had only one biosophy at the age of 18 for a fibrodenoma. For the last 28 years I have had no biosopies, but a questionable mammo that turned out to be fiber cystic change after a sonogram and MRI confirmed it. That was 6 years ago.
My BS said I made the right choice. She said that most likely I would have developed bc in 3 years. The Lobular neoplasia was not detected on any of my scans.
I am at peace with my decision. I feel so grateful that I listened to my inner voice. I don't think about bc 24/7 anymore. I feel so blessed that I followed my heart and my instincts.
You must do what is right for you! It's what your heart and mind can take. I needed to be set free from the emotional pain it was causing me.
Please, if you ever wanted to talk, pm me and I will give you my number.
XO
Elise -
Do risk factors increase every time alh/adh are found? I recieved the results from surgical biopsy no cancer. Relief. . .but still making choices for the chance there is a next time.
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Hi bbjjbb,
I know ALH is a precancerous but I know this site and the mayo clinic site have a lot of information about ALH and the risks associated with it. Your risk is also related to family history too...
Hope that helped
Amy Lynn -
Hi Dawn,
How are you doing with the tapering off of lorazepam? I hope you are doing well. I take it every day so I know how you feel if you run out especially if you have generalized anxiety disorder as I do. I have been taking it at night for good sleep maybe that would work for you taking it at night.
Also how are you doing with your elective surgery?
Amy Lynn -
Hi AmyLyn,
That is exactly why I was taking lorazepam...to sleep. I was so anxious about having surgery, I could not sleep at all. I took .5 mg each night and slept like a gem. I stopped the med cold turkey and went through MAJOR withdrawal. I went back on and tapered slowly and have been off for 8 weeks but have just been slammed with horrible neuropathy symptoms. I've been to a neuro twice and a rheumatologist and no one knows what is wrong with me. It may be post acute withdrawal, thyroid, Sjorgens or idiopathic. I feel terrible! I want this surgery so badly but my body is feeling so bad that I don't know if I can physically handle major surgery right now. Be very careful when you want to come off of lorazepam....taper VERY slowly. Most patients are fine coming off a low dose but I was an exception to the rule..of course!!!!
Dawn
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Thank you. That does help. After the second surgery I am making choices for what if there is a next time. Already dreading my six month mammo.
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I had a PBM in Feb for "just" ALH and ADH plus a strong family history. Despite every screening available, they found a 1.1 cm IDC in a different area. I had a failed ductal excision in 2009 (wrong duct taken out) and then again in 2011. If you have dense and busy breasts and have had multiple biopsies even an MRI may not see something lurking in there. You must be your own best advocate.
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