WTF....just want to die.....

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Kimmie32
Kimmie32 Member Posts: 15

I don't know what to do. Sue doctor for malpractice, go beat the sh*t out of doctor for being that stupid or just curl up cry and pray God takes me first. Ok last statement not good a one cause I have kids of my own but this is really bothering. My mom was dx on 5/27/12 on June 6 she had a biopsy. Got a second opinion 2 days before her scheduled masctomy (both) and the question comes why didn't he take lymph nodes during biopsy? Good damn question cause we don't know. Next question where is MRI? We didn't get one done never recommended or told to get one. Why not you need it is response. WTF!!!! Everything is halted. With a cancer dx that is aggressive shouldn't things be moving forward and not us going back to square one? So a month of BS has passed MRI comes back as lymph nodes look suspicious. My mom spirirts are already down and now this news I saw her go lower today. I am a fighter and Optimistic even when things look horrible but I am scared sh*tless. How can I keep a positive attitude when already a mammogram that looked suspicious came back as cancer? How do I keep on like life is ok when the center of my world is falling apart? I am angry, scared, and stressed. I don't know what to do anymore......

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  • riley702
    riley702 Member Posts: 1,600
    edited June 2012

    Oh, Kimmie, I'm so sorry. (((hugs))). I don't have good answers for you because I'm not sure exactly what did/didn't/isn't happening. How could she have been diagnosed in May when she didn't have the biopsy until June? I thought biopsies were how you are diagnosed. Did she have a suspicious mammogram in May?

    I'm also not sure about the lymph nodes. I didn't have lymph nodes removed until my MX. They did a fine needle aspiration on one lymph node at the time of my biopsy because it was enlarged, but they didn't remove it (it came back negative). I have no idea if that was one of the same lymph nodes removed during my sentinel node biopsy during my MX.

    I did get an MRI between my biopsy and surgery. Are you saying you think it spread (or is spreading) because of the delays? If so, I DO understand that, because they dicked around with my Dad when his lung cancer was just in his right lower lobe. Instead of operating immediately as he wished, they made him go through test after test to prove he would do well with surgery (he was 72). Six weeks were lost, by which time, it was inoperable. I seriously wanted to hurt his oncologist for that. I eventually had to let the anger go, because I was only hurting myself.

    I don't know if I'm making sense, or helping at all. Please write again and know we'll be here for you. <3

  • Kimmie32
    Kimmie32 Member Posts: 15
    edited June 2012

    Her doc is old and as he would say I have been doing this 32 years. He told my mom it was cancer when he looked at her slides of mammogram. The biopsy just confirmed his theory.



    I guess I am going crazy cause they kept saying, you have a small window of opportunity. Those words alone mean at least to me Hurry Up!!! Her MRI coming back suspicious just scares me cause it could have spread. It's unspoken between us but I see that worry in her eyes and I know I have that worry. Not to mention she now has an irregular heartbeat and that delays any surgery as well. It's always hyper sensitive when a parent or child is sick and chicken noodle soup and ginger ale won't do the trick (smile).

  • SheChirple
    SheChirple Member Posts: 954
    edited June 2012

    Kimmie: slow down.  It's okay.  It is not standard practice to biopsy lymph nodes before mastectomy.  It is very, very commone to take lymph nodes in what is called a Senitnel Node Biopsy during the mastectomy surgery.  Diagnosis and treatment comes in stages.  It varies.  I see frequently, as happened with me, mammogram finds a suspicious lump, sent for biopsy.  Biopsy confirms cancer type and ER/PR Her2 status.  Lumpectomy or mastectomy with SNB (lymph nodes).  Post surgery, OncoDx test for some.  Decision is made for radiation and/or chemotherapy or none.  Reconstruction options are considered before and/or after lumpectomy mastectomy.

    I had no MRI.  I had no SNB before mastectomy.

    You are 32 y/o, this is your mother's journey.  You need to keep calm with her and be there for her.  If you show your fear too much, you will cause her additional fear.

    Educate yourself on her specific type and grade of cancer to calm your fears.

  • riley702
    riley702 Member Posts: 1,600
    edited June 2012

    It took a month between finding my lump and starting chemo. I was going nuts! I was sobbing hysterically on the phone to the nurse navigator. Especially after what had happened to my Dad. I could also feel the lump growing and they kept trying to tell me it was just swelling from the biopsy. I was right, btw. It was marble-sized when I found it and it was (by clinical exam) 4 x 4.5 cm at first chemo.

    So, to my doctor, who sent me for a mammogram and ultrasound, then a biopsy, wait for results, "Yes, it's cancer. You need to see the surgeon." Then, "This is really aggressive (dammit, I told you so!), you need chemo first." Set up an appointment with the oncologist, got signed up for a clinical trial (more aggressive chemo), got a port put in and FINALLY chemo. Whew! How I didn't die of anxiety during that month, I do not know.

    I liked doing chemo first, because I could feel the lump getting softer and smaller. It didn't go completely away, and I had a mastectomy (and had the other one off before IT got any bright ideas about trying to kill me, too). My lymph nodes were negative (whew!) and they told me afterwards that with my stats going in, my chances of having positive nodes was about 77% (not sure where they pulled that number from). I feel like I dodged a bullet.

    So I do understand how you feel, and it doesn't help when they tell you a month doesn't matter much, because it sure feels like it does! Hang in there, Kimmie, your Mom needs you to be strong for her. I'll pray for you both.

    Carolyn

    SheChirple - her Mom's cancer is TN, grade 3, stage 3B. That's a serious cancer. I know she needs to calm down, but I also understand why she's so worried. I was TN, grade 3 also.

  • Racy
    Racy Member Posts: 2,651
    edited June 2012

    Kimmie, if you and your mum have questions about the proposed treatment, write them down and ask the doctor directly. He may be able to give you answers to calm your fears.



    Is the surgeon a specialist in breast surgery? If your mum is not happy she can change doctors. Maybe someone on this site who lives in your area can suggest a good surgeon, oncologist and radiation oncologist if required.



    There is a triple negative forum here where you and your mum can get a lot of advice about treatments for that type of cancer.



    I suggest try to calm down so that you can deal with the facts and practicalities of your mum's situation. You will feel more in control and able to support your mum.



    There is heaps of helpful information on this site.



    Keep in touch anytime. We are here 24/7.

  • riley702
    riley702 Member Posts: 1,600
    edited June 2012
  • thefuzzylemon
    thefuzzylemon Member Posts: 2,630
    edited July 2012

    How are you doing? I'm hoping you may have considered finding a healthcare team that fits....that you and mom actually fall in love with. Remember, its her life....Never be too proud to overlook what she needs. I can and did change radiation oncologists 3 times.

    Cancer F-ing sucks. You seem very passionate and supportive...it will makes more sense as time goes by (terms, building your support network, fundraisers for your bail money. ...LOL j/k) and your strength will build with moms. Get involved with support groups....there is nothing better than my sisters....you and mom can PM me anytime.

  • Copper333
    Copper333 Member Posts: 11
    edited July 2012

    I know exactly how you feel. My mother was diagnosed in her 40s with breast cancer.  She had a full masectomy and had lymph nodes removed. She went through a tough round of chemo and radiation. It killed me and I was horrified of losing my mother. She won that battle was diagnosed again in 2010. We were called together during the week and my dad fell apart at the table and told us the cancer has returned. I just wanted to punch something and had to go outside and I just screamed.  The cancer metasized (sp?) to bone cancer in her phemar and spots on rib cage. The cancer has also went to her liver and she has two masses. She is stage 4 and she has been fighting for her life every since. She has gotten chemo, tried different pills and the tumors on her liver continue to grow. She hasn't been able to get chemo for four weeks and her doctor sent her to another team to see if there was anything they could do. they said she qualified for a research group but she is not feeling it. She has a hard time breathing because it is pressing on her diaphram. She is a fighter and her mind wants to continue to fight but her body just can't handle it. It is killing me inside as it is you to know we can't fix this. I fix things and there is nothing that I wouldn't do to change this and it kills me that I can't. She is my best friend and I know my time with her is getting shorter. I pray for a miracle but I also can't live in total denial. She is going to be 54 next week and we are getting her brothers/sisters together for a dinner. Every holiday, like today, I pray for another one. My heart is breaking too and I don't know what I will do without her. I keep telling myself she is here now..embrace every moment and i am but my mother does not deserve to be in this pain. I can't be selfish and I respect all decisions she makes but there has to be something. People tell you that they are sorry and I know they are but no one really knows what it is like knowing your parent is sick. I am also afraid of losing myself - I've been going to counseling and it helps. I'm also on medicine for depression and anxiety. We are very Type A individuals and caring and giving but this just blows. The thing is that she went to the doctors many times prior to being diagnosed this second time because of pain etc. and she was told it was old age. Never ran any tests. I blame them for her cancer going this far. If someone has had cancer or lumps before, you test and do whatever you can..not just write it off as old age. My heart goes out to you because I know how you are feeling.  I pray your mother gets the treatment she rightfully deserves and I will say a prayer for her and you as well. do the same for my mother..her name is Grace.

  • Kimmie32
    Kimmie32 Member Posts: 15
    edited July 2012

    Ladies I want to say thank you to each and every one of you. I did take a moment and just breathed a little. I got my mom a second opinion just 2 days before her surgery. Thank God I did her cancer which her first doctor said was right breast only actually had spread to her left breast and her lymph nodes under both arms. That sounds bad I know but it would have been worse if her original doctor did the mastectomy on both breast but didn't take the lymph nodes as he said he wasn't gonna do. We are at Johns Hopskins Hospital they are the best and surprisingly they moved fast 1 week of testing next week surgery. I had heard they are very busy and it takes awhile to get things moving but thankfully not the case.



    My mom is doing ok and although I know she won't tell me everything I bought her a journal to write what she can't say. She is 5 days out from her surgery and even though she gets misty cause her "twins" are no longer present it's just a step closer to recovery.



    I am well I try to take a day and think or do nothing it helps with the stress levels. I am starting to believe that life throws us curve balls tests our strength our resolve to see if we will rise under pressure. I think so far I am doing good at staying afloat. When pressure hits and it's too much for little me I call on my higher power and pray that God will my mom and me through.



    ***copper333 I put your mom name in the prayer box at my church. I hope that was ok.

  • riley702
    riley702 Member Posts: 1,600
    edited July 2012

    (((Kimmie))) Please keep us posted as to how your mother and YOU are doing.

  • Racy
    Racy Member Posts: 2,651
    edited July 2012

    kimmie, I'm glad to hear you are feeling a bit more in control of the situation. You are right to rely on that higher power when you have done all you can.



    Look after your mum, and you, and keep in touch.

  • Copper333
    Copper333 Member Posts: 11
    edited August 2012

    Thank you for putting her name on your prayer list. I'm glad you got a second opinion for your mom and i pray for her as well. My mom has started to lose weight and she is sleeping alot more.  We are supposed to have a family meeting today. The news is never good but I always wish for a miracle though. It is very hard trying to stay optimistic but I try to so I don't fall apart. I know the news is not good and I could tell when I asked her how her cell count levels were this past Thursday. She kind of went around the question and I know my mom very well to pick up on these things. I talked to my dad this morning and he told me it wasn't good as he had tears in his eyes. I have been through alot but I would go through hell and back again just for my mom to be okay. My counselor had me read a book called 'Death and Dying'. It is a very good book if anyone is trying to understand from a patient's perspective as well as family members. It is more than just a book on the stages of life..it helps with alot of other things as well. The anger, denial, depression, acceptance.. It is horrible knowing that my mom isn't going to be here to watch my daughter grow up and be here physically - that is the reality. However, no matter how much time we have, I can not be selfish. My mom doesn't deserve to be in pain. I wish I could take the pain from her so she wouldn't have to endure it..I love her that much that I would do anything for her. I believe in god and even though I am the little girl that is horrified of losing my mom and best friend..I know I have to be strong for her. She doesn't like talking about the cancer and she has hid alot from us so she would remain in control and protect us. That is who my mom is. She has told me before that she wants me to be a better mom that what she has been and the truth is (as I told her)..I can only hope to be as great as a mother as she has been for me. I don't push my mom to talk about things unless she wants to..I respect her that much. It was very hard because I would always assume the worst. I am alot like my mom - she has a heart of gold but she still continues to teach me every day. Some thing that may help other people understand this if they are going through it is something my counselor told me. He said that I can't intertwine myself around the ones I love most because in the end it will destroy me. You feel others pain and you dwell on it to the point that you would do anything to make it stop and it literally consumes you. There is nothing wrong with caring but if someone needs you, they will ask you or they will give you signs. I mend things and my mind races on how to change a situation but this is one that I can't change. All I can do is be my mom's moral support and be there for my family. god has other plans for her despite the fact that I don't like it I have a greater respect for faith than what I ever did. Please continue to pray for my mom

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