April/May 2012 Chemo hang out

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  • luvBngGma
    luvBngGma Member Posts: 73
    edited July 2012

    MelroseMelrose--thanks for the info, and links. MO did warn me that bone pain was common with Taxotere. I did resort to oxycodone last night for sleeping. My temp started to rise this afternoon (of course, it is Friday). Called MO ofc, and they said to call Dr on call, if it goes over 100.5. Also said Neulasta can cause temp to go up a little.

    My son is here from FLA, for a visit, so it does my heart good to see him hanging around. Hoping SE's will dissipate soon, so we can have some better quality time together. Thanks to all who are willing to share experiences. Hoping all who had tx this week will have a good weekend, with minimal SE's.

  • LyndaMarie
    LyndaMarie Member Posts: 92
    edited July 2012

    Hi all~

    The transfusion went smoothly. My resting heart rate was down from the 100s to the upper 80s before I left and the incessant pounding in my ears stopped. My back was still sore from neulasta but it was way easier to walk out than it was to walk in.

    That said, the bone pain has spread from my back outward so now I have pulsating pain from my neck to my hips. My DS wanted to walk me from the kitchen to the living room because I was walking funny and "slower than Grama". So my latest question...how long does neulasta pain usually last? I took a tylenol+ that my husband had left over from surgery in february. Hope that knocks it out soon. I have vicodin the doctors gave me when I had shingles during Taxol and will take that as a last resort for bedtime if necessary. [fyi - I had the mildest case of shingles I have ever heard of and didn't even need tylenol at that time.]

    On to....mouth sores....people do not lie when they say that AC is harder, do they! I have been dreaming about creamy soups. A friend brought me yummy pea soup and bread at my transfusion today. So thoughtful [a BCO friend at that]. I picked up soup from a Brueggers Bagels drive thru on the way home. Chicken Spaetzle that is salty with a rough texture. I blended it up in my vitamix and added a little cream. Wish I had thought to throw in corn while I was at it to sweeten it a bit. I added a little honey to the one serving to combat the salty and that helped. So now I have a very creamy, yummy soup. Feeling very resourceful that I got yummy soup with very little effort. Any other ideas for easy mouth sore foods?

    Melrose - totally get the burping thing. I generally do not burp much but on chemo I burp loud and often.

     Hope everybody is having a good day!!!!!!!!!!

  • Hortense
    Hortense Member Posts: 982
    edited July 2012

    I'm eight days past my last T/C treatment - so glad that's done! Nothing tastes good and even textures seem to change. Lots of things taste or feel creamy, but not in a good way. I do envy those who can enjoy soup. 

    I roam the kitchen trying different foods and healthy snacks, hoping for some flavor or to find something I feel like eating. Things I liked eating after previous chemo treatments I can't seem to face now for some odd reason. I know my taste buds will start to recover in another week or two, but until then it's hard to find food I find palatable. Dinner tasted bland, although my husband assured me it was full of flavor. Funny isn't it, this taste change?  

    I forced myself to eat some fresh cherries today, but didn't like how they tasted, though I ate them by the handfuls ten days ago. Had to toss a glass of mango juice as I couldn't even gag it down. I usually love it. Water is not apealing either, so keeping hydrated is a challenge. My favorite drink, black tea tastes extremely strong and rather bitter no matter how weak I make it or what I add to it. Green tea I can't even face. 

    The peperonni on my favorite pizza yesterday was mostly tastless except for a bit of a "bite" that told me it must actually be very spicy. The pizza itself tasted like cardboard. So strange.

    I'm past the worst of the fatigue and aches and feel more clear headed and stronger every day, so there's lots to be happy about, and I am. I am also very happy I learned to take Dulcolax starting several days before each chemo to ward off a repetition of the horrendous bout of constipation I had after my first round - I wish I had known to take it before the first session.

    Surprisingly, I bounced back quickly after my third round and was able to do all sorts of very active things by mid second week - I bought, brought home and put together two rooms of IKEA furniture. I seem to be recovering quickly again this time, after my fourth. I do have an very annoyed vein in my left wrist which has turned dark rose, but it is not swollen and I know the color will fade eventually.

    I decided to use Penguin Cold Caps after finding out about them on this site and have managed to keep most of my hair in spite of chemotherapy. I have shed a lot of hair, losing about 30-35%, but most people would not be able to tell I have thinned out. It wasn't easy to use them, but I am glad I did. I truly wish more doctors and nurses told women about them so that they could be given a choice to possibly keep their hair. I found out simply by chance.

    I wish all of you well as you go through your treatments and move onward. There are a lot of interesting and very brave women on here. It has been fascinating to read through your posts and nice to be able to take part in the conversation ocassionally. I will be starting radiation in early August - so, a new adventure begins for me! 

  • Marcia1111
    Marcia1111 Member Posts: 368
    edited July 2012

    luvBngGma - That's what my son came up with!  I used it last night and it was so much more comfortable!

  • SLKsMom
    SLKsMom Member Posts: 22
    edited July 2012

    What does PFC stand for?

  • dancetrancer
    dancetrancer Member Posts: 4,039
    edited July 2012

    Post f***ing chemo

    LOL

    It still amuses me, no matter how many times I say it. 

  • SLKsMom
    SLKsMom Member Posts: 22
    edited July 2012

    Thanks, dancetrancer.



    Question for anyone - I have finished my 4 ac tx. Am scheduled for my first of 4 taxol's this coming Thursday. Went yesterday for my CBC and my WBC was too low. Dr. said I didn't need anti-biotics - just be careful this weekend. Here's the dilemma - my 3 year old has given me a head cold. It came on late last night. I'm not running a fever. Do I need to call my doc and tell him? Or do I just carry on knowing there's nothing that can be done for a cold (just like before bc)? Anyone out there had a cold during treatment?



  • LyndaMarie
    LyndaMarie Member Posts: 92
    edited July 2012

    SLKsMom - I had a cold twice during Taxol. My MO said to take sudafed and mucinex on a schedule. I started later the first cold and it was much harder. The first signs of the second cold I started immediately and it was easier. The big things they will watch for are fever and making sure your lungs are clear [hence the mucinex]. All that said, my numbers were strong through taxol so it was likely easier to shake. Do you have an after hours number to call and ask?

    Hope you feel better soon!!

    Lynda

  • LyndaMarie
    LyndaMarie Member Posts: 92
    edited July 2012

    Hi All~

    I got the answer to the bone pain question when I woke up this morning feeling MUCH better! My heart is not racing and the bone pain seems to be gone. I took a vicodin at bedtime and slept peacefully. Does the bone pain repeat in a similar cycle each time? Having a pattern with an end in sight will make it easier.

    My WBC was so low on Thursday that I still need to lay low for the weekend, but I feel much better today! My last thing to take care of [other than avoiding germs] will be the few mouth sores that I have. They are way in the back of my mouth so feel almost like a sore throat [hurt when swallowing] but I really do not want them to spread!

    I hope you are all feeling well and having minimal SE's! Have a great weekend!

  • radioactivegirl
    radioactivegirl Member Posts: 52
    edited July 2012

    As much as I like PFC standing for that, I think the cleaner version is Post Final Chemo.  here is a link to the list of abbreviations.  http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/131/topic/773727?page=1#idx_1

    I get the burping too, and the gas.  It seems to be better this round than the last . . .fingers crossed I didnt just jinx myself into getting more symptoms.

    Hortense - I get the taste changes too.  My poor hubby doesnt really get why I will buy something one day and then not want it the next day.  I did show him my tongue with a couple of mouth sores on it and he *kindof* got it. As for the mouth sores, rinse regularly - like several times a day, or after eating with a mixture of 1cup of water, 1/2 to 1 tsp salt and 1/2 to 1 tsp baking soda.  Make it fresh each time and swish it around and cover the mouth.  It seems to help, and I think it feels good.

    SLK - my docs said to call the advice line if I start to feel like I am getting sick.  I would call if I were you, and of course go to urgent care/er if your temp is over 100.4.

    Lynda - glad you are doing better! 

     AFM - I am on day 4 of my last ac.  I am feeling ok despite not sleeping well, but I am done with the steroids.  I had really bad heartburn/acid stomach yesterday but today I feel better . . . I was drinking a lot of water with lemon - I knwo it sounds weird since lemon juice is acidic, but it actually turns alkaline in your body.  I am also taking pepcid.  I am looking forward to the stomach issues getting better, but Taxotere is starting to scare me.  

  • vickilind61
    vickilind61 Member Posts: 338
    edited July 2012

    Good morning ladies.  It has been a rough couple of weeks.  Urologist appt went well.  Nothing to make the doc worried; she thinks it is related to the chemo (I think the carboplatin isthe one that can affect the kidney/bladder) so I am taking vesicare.  Should make a difference in a couple of days. 

    So, weekend off; coffee and Firefly on Netflix.  It's all good. 

  • lisa2012
    lisa2012 Member Posts: 652
    edited July 2012

    Hi ladies, good to see how many of us are nearing or near the end of FC. Even if other stuff lies ahead, it is good to see us getting through! My MO said my blod tests we's almost back to normal, and my way increased energy is probably because my red blod cells are almost there.



    Anyone see the news report about calcium/vitaminD? I just started taking it this week (MO was stern about this, I have taken it now and ten over he years but lazy and wondered if it bothered my stomach. Now they are questioning whether it is worth it, or even not especially good or you. Heard about this?

  • kjiberty
    kjiberty Member Posts: 1,385
    edited July 2012

    Lisa:  yes, I have heard about this, but my MO was stern about it too.  What to do...what to do.....  I am going with the MO for now. I, too, was lazy about it over the past ten years as well.  The chewable ones by Caltrate are quite good (gummies).  

  • dancetrancer
    dancetrancer Member Posts: 4,039
    edited July 2012

    I'm taking vitamin D, but both my MO and gyn felt I didn't need more than the 500 mg of calcium I have in my daily multivitamin (they both cited concern about the calcium and heart issue studies).  This is even despite my recent DEXA coming back with mild osteopenia (T score - 1.4).  I'm still not sure I am ok with this...but I am making sure I at least drink a big glass of milk with dinner and have cheese or yogurt at lunch or snack to get at least 1000 mg of calcium a day.  (I take my multivitamin in the a.m.)  For postmenopausal women, they recommend 1500 mg of calcium a day...seems tough to get!  Especially when your body can only absorb 500 mg at one time.

    The other issue I have is my multivitamin has calcium carbonate in it, which isn't the best for me b/c I am on acid blockers for my stomach, and the carbonate type needs acid to be absorbed.  Perhaps this is why my T score is a bit low already at my age.  Been on acid blockers for about 7 years now. So, I need to find a multivitamin with calcium citrate, OR, a multivitamin without calcium and then supplement with calcium citrate separately.  If anyone has brand recommendations, would love to hear them. 

  • luvBngGma
    luvBngGma Member Posts: 73
    edited July 2012

    Ladies-- hope everyone had a good night. I am sad today that my son has to go home to FLA tomorrow. Have really enjoyed seeing him on the sofa next to me! Hate that I felt so bad, I didn't leave the house, yet. Twisted the arms of DH, & DS to have dinner out with DD & family (grand kids 4 & 5) on Friday. We r all going to her house this afternoon & have dinner later. I may hang out on her sofa, while they swim in neighborhood pool. Or, if I can manage the heat, go down & watch for a while. This Taxotere has been hard on me--still taking oxycodone at night so I can sleep. Bone pain, especially knees & shins, is really bad. Don't know if my osteoarthritis made the pain strike there, or not. But, felt like I had to force my brain to tell the legs how to walk for a couple of days. Weird!

    Trying to force the looming thyroid issue to back of mind--focusing on getting rid of SE's for a weekend trip to Chicago next weekend. Going with grand kids (& their Mom & Dad!) for a pre-kindergarten BIG CITY adventure. Squeezing in fun times between chemo is a needed goal, don't you agree?

    Enjoy the rest of your weekend, everyone.

  • nofear2012
    nofear2012 Member Posts: 160
    edited July 2012

    PFC 5 days & counting. Feel like crap but it is expected. Somehow I imagined being done would mean I would feel better immediately, but I always do that to myself. It just seems like I am never going to feel better, love reading about how good everyone else is doing PFC, it gives me hope. Se have been run of the mill, except this time I got pain/cramps associated w my period. Just looking forward to feeling better.

  • dancetrancer
    dancetrancer Member Posts: 4,039
    edited July 2012
    It'll happen nofear...I felt the same way!  About 3.5 weeks PFC I really started feeling better.  Almost 6 weeks PFC now, feel much better!  I still have some sx (low red count and believe it or not, can't seem to kick the oral thrush), but my energy level is great.  I've even returned to dance class...not full out - have to sit out 3 or so routines in the hour, keep my arms down, and avoid jumping b/c heart rate jumps too high otherwise - but to be able to do it at all feels like a small miracle after chemo!  You will get there!  
  • kjiberty
    kjiberty Member Posts: 1,385
    edited July 2012

    NoFear--I second what dance says.  I am 3.5 weeks PFC and I feel great!  My bloodwork came back great except low hemoglobin counts, which she said was normal after chemo.  Still waiting to hear on when I start rads.  Maybe Tuesday???

  • winter_flower
    winter_flower Member Posts: 31
    edited July 2012

    Hi ladies, was pinpointed here by melrose...

    just looking for some answers/etc 

    had my 1st AC on 7/19, Newlasta on 7/20, felt terrible for 3 days..today - a tiny bit better..

    had nausea, tachycardia (still have pulse up to 120), feeling as if I had a severe sunburn (all body/skin aches), fatigue of course..

    I have zofran, any better alternatives? 

  • Fierro6
    Fierro6 Member Posts: 224
    edited July 2012

    Dang, winter_flower.  You found a lot of SEs, didn't you?  I am on A/C, too.  I have my last A/C this week before switching to Taxol.  My first two treatments were worse than the third.  I did not have any stomach issues, other than heartburn.  I DID have fatigue, a steroid crash that left me with spaghetti limbs on day 5, and bone pain on days 6 and 7.  

    Advil works most of the time for pain, but I wind up needing to take my hydrocodone 3 or 4 days during the two week cycle.  Zantac works for the heartburn, and I haven't had to take nausea meds.  I really hope you find some relief as you go forward with treatment.

  • Cottontail
    Cottontail Member Posts: 374
    edited February 2013

    I got my fifth of six TAC infusions on Thursday.   I ended up with quite a few new-to-me side effects this past time through, and my MO is sending me to a GI specialist this week, as she thinks I may have an ulcer.  Fun!  I was also sent home with a prescription for gabapentin and a big bottle of Vitamin B6 for neuropathy, and she said if the numbness doesn't improve she is going to lower the dosage for my last chemo in August.

    I've been having chest pain on the left side, but MO thinks it's my chest wall, not my heart.  I sure hope she is right! 

    I saw my surgeon on Friday and she was happy with how the tumor has shrunk.  I have to have an MRI to check if the disease has spread, and as long as it hasn't I'm on track for lumpectomy the last week of August or first week of September.

    I could barely get out of bed yesterday, and only just managed to do my Sunday chores today.  Each treatment just hits me a little harder. 

    For those struggling to get calcium, studies show that populations with the highest dairy consumption also have the highest rates of osteoporosis.  Dark green leafy veggies are a far better way to get your calcium. 

  • dancetrancer
    dancetrancer Member Posts: 4,039
    edited July 2012

    Cottontail - wow, you are getting hit hard.  I hope your SE's improve soon!  I too saw a GI doc in the middle of tx, had endoscopy.  Fortunately, no major damage.  Just very sensitive esophagus to reflux.  

  • nofear2012
    nofear2012 Member Posts: 160
    edited July 2012

    Thx dancer & kliberty, I am so looking forward to feeling better, in time.



    Winter flow the red skin is from the steroids which for me lasted 2 to 3 days. Ask for compazine to alternate for yur nausea meds or Ativan. I would take half an Ativan which helps w nausea. I have body aches from taxol & I take aleve which helps. This is a process of elimination & mystery to find out what works & doesn't for u. Keep asking ? & we will answer.

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited July 2012

    wildflower- Glad to see you.... sorry for the side effects hitting you.  Make sure you take those anti-nausea drugs with food..... Zofran on its own can cause nausea.  If your nausea drugs aren't working, call your onco on Monday to see if your meds need to be changed.  I also have Phenegran (anti-nausea) to take if I have nausea... fortunately, I never had had to take any.  FYI- Zofran can also cause constipation.

    I know that the hunt for food is not easy and trying to figure out what to eat when you feel like crap makes it even harder.  I have two cancer cookbooks-- one i received from my cancer center and the other is a cookbook I found at Barnes & Noble.

    • Eating Well through Cancer- Easy recipes & Recommendations During & After Treatment-- written by Holly Clegg & Gerald Miltetello, M.D. It has food lists, shopping lists, menus and is divided up by Side Effects.  (rec'd from cancer center)
    • The Cancer-Fighting Kitchen- Nourishing Big Flavor Recipes for Cancer Treatment and Recovery- written by Rebecca Katz with Mat Edelson. Lots of pictures

    My pulse is up a little but my onco and internist are aware of that.

    As for Neulasta pain, I've read you can take one Advil and one Tylenol every 4-6 hours to help with the pain.  I'm taking 24 hour regular Claritin for the Neulasta pain. I take it for 7-9 days starting the day I get the shot.  So far now pain. 

    Keep drinking and drinking and drinking to keep flushing that chemo through.....  I know the first infusion regardless of the chemo regimen is a little nervewracking since one doesn't know what to expect and you can't figure out what you are supposed to feel and what you are not......  Hang in there...... Again, if you start feeling worse, don't hesitate to call your onco 24/7.  It's part of his/her job to help you get through the side effects!!!!

  • Cottontail
    Cottontail Member Posts: 374
    edited February 2013

    Running a low fever now, 99.7. I'm chalking it up to my Neulasta shot Friday; took a couple nighttime Advils and am hoping that knocks it down. If not I'll call my MO in the morning.



    I can't afford a trip to the ER right now.

  • winter_flower
    winter_flower Member Posts: 31
    edited July 2012

    Thanks to everyone for the info. I can't get in touch wiht my onco unless it's working hours, all I'm gettign is useless on call physician, who just says to wiat it out and call back in 4 hrs if SEs worsen O_O

    I'm treated at Stanford, is this a normal practice? I thought I'd also have to have some kind of access to MO, no? 

  • Hortense
    Hortense Member Posts: 982
    edited July 2012

    You should have someone you can speak to. I'd call the office tomorrow and insist that you be given someone to contact outside office hours as you never know what might come up. My oncologist calls me back when I call an answering service and leave a message.  I also have a number for an oncologist on call at the hospital. If Standford is a hospital, it should have some after hours coverage for you.

    I only call when necessary - like a fever of over 100.5º. I ran a 102º fever on a Saturday night and was told to take the Cipro I had been given in case I ever ran a fever. The next day I got to a doctor. Of all crazy things it turned out that I had contracted Lyme Disease. I'd been bitten by a tick at some point and my fever, aches and swollen knee were due to that, not my chemo. 

  • bcbarbie10
    bcbarbie10 Member Posts: 319
    edited July 2012

    Glad to read we're all moving along.

    Winterflow, i get the red skin, too, from AC. It lasts for about 2 weeks. Even my melasma get extra dark during this time.

  • nofear2012
    nofear2012 Member Posts: 160
    edited July 2012

    Chapter 4 - how are u feeling? I have more bone pain/ache then before but it is starting to subside, headache & cramps as if I were menstrating, never had that b4. I am just so glad to be done & looking forward to feeling better. Hope se are minimal for u.

  • Rose_d
    Rose_d Member Posts: 144
    edited July 2012

    I am officially 2 hours PFC!!, I truly can't believe it, I remember back in April thinking that 8 treatments and the end of July sounded like lifetimes away. I didn't think I would actually make it!



    They were really cute at the infusion. My MO and her nurse were SO excited for me.



    I'm pooped now b/c of the benadryl, but she said I should expect to feel better than previous times because I am not getting a Neulasta shot. Woo hoo!



    I go to see her again in 4 weeks and she said I will be amazed at how much better I will feel by then. I haven't felt terrible at all during Taxol but she said I will realize how tired I really was.



    Lots more to come including surgery 4 weeks from today, but for now I will celebrate what feels really like a major accomplishment. We should be so proud of ourselves.



    Good luck this week everyone!



    Rose

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