I'm glad I opted out of chemo

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Anonymous
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edited June 2014 in Alternative Medicine

http://community.breastcancer.org/blog/robin-robertss-recent-diagnosis-of-myelodysplastic-syndrome/

I don't know what stage or grade Robin Roberts' BC was, but I certainly hope it was not early stage.  It truly is sad that she now has to deal with something this serious.

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  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited July 2012

    Dr Weiss says this and she is quite correct - it's an extremely rare situation:

    "Second malignancies after chemotherapy are rare. Some studies have shown that the risk is about 1 in 1,000 women; other studies say the risk is lower. The bottom line is that it's very rare for this to happen to someone after chemotherapy for breast cancer. Examples of chemotherapies used in the treatment of breast cancer that are associated with the rare side effect of Myelodysplastic Syndrome include: Cytoxan (chemical name: cyclophosphamide) and anthracyclines. Anthracycline chemotherapy includes doxorubicin (brand names: Adriamycin, Doxil), daunorubicin (brand names: Cerubidine, DaunoXome), and epirubicin (brand name: Ellence). The timeframe for developing this very rare complication tends to range from 2-10 years after treatment. Myelodysplastic Syndrome can be detected from a routine blood test: the "CBC" (complete blood count). Most women receiving treatment for breast cancer will never experience this complication."

  • NattyOnFrostyLake
    NattyOnFrostyLake Member Posts: 377
    edited July 2012

    Rare doesn't matter if you're the one whose immune system is destroyed.

    I'm so glad this is the Alternative Thread and we can be relieved we made our choice and didn't do chemo.

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited July 2012

    NattyPatty - there are hundreds of women on this site whose immune systems haven't been destroyed. In fact, everyone at work seems to be getting sick lately and I haven't, so mine must be tough.

  • NattyOnFrostyLake
    NattyOnFrostyLake Member Posts: 377
    edited July 2012

    There are thousands of women on this site who have had permanent disabilities from chemo and my heart goes out to them. I'm glad you have had good luck this far. Blessings to you. And blessings to those who have had to suffer so much.

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited July 2012
    Correction - tens of thousands of women who have intact immune systems.
  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited July 2012

    Yes, it must be horrible to have that kind of complication. However, if I am looking at 1. No chemo and a 50% chance of being dead in five years vs 2. Do the chemo and have a 20% of being dead in five years (of cancer or a complication of treatment), then I pick #2, but that is just me.



    Disclaimer: The numbers above are made up. However, the 20% chance is approximately what I am facing after doing all the treatment available. Also, my cancer was advanced with significant lymph involvement. Since I had neo-adjuvant chemo (as well as adjuvant), I know that the chemo shrunk my tumor from 8cm to a few millimeters.



    Chemo is nasty. So is cancer. So far, knock wood, I seem to have come through it all in pretty good shape.



    Now I read along here to see what else I can do to push a recurrence as far into the future as possible.

  • Racy
    Racy Member Posts: 2,651
    edited July 2012

    Well said Momine. I am inspired by your great response to chemo. I had TAC x 6, which may be similar to your prescription, for grade 3 ILC. I am also on Femara.



    I wish all success with their chosen treatments.

  • camillegal
    camillegal Member Posts: 16,882
    edited July 2012

    Let's face it Chemo does a number on u'r body and immune system--althos I did different types of chemo and rads--things are srill happening and I've been done with all of that--I'm in and out of the hospital finding "rare" side effects so I really don't know what the answers are pro or anti==Does anyone really know. I doubt it. And the word rare is of no comfort when u'r experiencin it.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited July 2012

    Racy, good luck back atcha. I had 4 FEC before surgery and 4 taxoteres after. I am also taking femara. The way I see it, there is no magic bullet, so I will throw whatever I can find at it, in the hope that between all the TXs it will stay away for a while.



    Camille, I do hear you. As best as I can figure out I am having some allergy problems, courtesy of taxotere. Femara is not super-fun either. Still, as my husband says, it beats the alternative. ;)

  • NattyOnFrostyLake
    NattyOnFrostyLake Member Posts: 377
    edited July 2012

    Almost everybody I know had a "rare" chemo side effect and ended up in the hospital. You just need to read the stage IV threads to see the many complications and the poor "success rate." This website is a documentation of the catastrophes.

    Some will remember actor Stanley Tucci reported his wife died of complications of treatment and not the cancer. So sad.

    I see this may becoming another thread of those who come to the Alternative Threads to defend their chemo decision. Good luck with that. Blessings to all. Bye.

  • Mardibra
    Mardibra Member Posts: 1,111
    edited July 2012

    Thousands of women on ths site have permanent disabilities? A bit of an exaggeration don't ya think? No worse disability than death from cancer.

  • camillegal
    camillegal Member Posts: 16,882
    edited July 2012

    Momine--it's a fun trip LOL--to me it was never a journey--it was and has been a bad trip that was thrust on me. LOL

    And natty I made my choices myself so I don't regret what I decided on. And anyone on alternative medicine I give credit to they are well disciplined and  trust in the unknown---but we are all taking chances on whatever we decide. Bad things happen with any and all our decisions. We all are here to fight cancer anyway we can and usually talking about it releases an inner peace within ourselves.Because everyone hhere underdtands our feeling and confusion.

    I find alternative options extremely interesting and don't deny them, just don't have the guts to do them and I love to see success with them, so I'm here out if interest not self examination for my choice.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited July 2012

    Camille, I like that, a "bad trip" rather than a "journey." We agree. It is not a cutesy journey, but rather "a total downer, dude!" ;)



    Like you, I feel no need to "defend" my chemo decision, lol, but remain interested in any and all possibilities for holding this beast at bay.



    I do think chemo complications are more common in stage IV. Usually people have been through a lot of treatment and they also often have a lot of cancer messing up their systems. But if you have a good reason to live, the hassles of chemo may be worth it. To me there is also a difference between "SE" and "complication." The constant runny nose during and right after taxotere is an SE to me, as is my mangled toe nail. A complication would be something far more serious.

  • digger
    digger Member Posts: 590
    edited July 2012

    Natty,

    I'm thinking if literally all your friends had "rare" complications from chemo and ended up in the hospital, perhaps you need to broaden your horizon and expand your friend selection?  It appears there must be something going on with you that draws (and dare I say attracts?) you to the worst case scenarios in people, ignoring the scores of other potential friends that lean toward health.  Bears some personal analyzing, I think.

    As always, blessings and good health to you Natty. 

  • camillegal
    camillegal Member Posts: 16,882
    edited July 2012

    Momine what is it about our toenails with this LOL--A couple fell of and grew back sideways ahahaha--so ugly it won't go straight. Now my 2 nails on my right and left hand (ring finger nails) are leaving their bed and twistin and bein pulled up. This is not a big deal, bit it looks so silly cuz otherwise I have long, strong nails.LOL (which BTW I never did???) SE don't really bother me either some are just plain silly too.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited July 2012

    Camille, sideways??? OK, that is so not cool. Give your onc hell about that one ;).



    My mother sailed through 6 TXs of taxotere. She rode her bike to and from chemo and went to the gym regularly. She was in her late 60s. My aunt had 3 surgeries and 4 rounds of chemo a couple of years ago (she was 70+). Then she went to the Himalayas, because it was so long since she had been there last. She also went skiing in Norway, an old habit of hers. Now she is back in chemo (had progression) which is working, yeah, and still running around like the energizer bunny. She will be 75 in the fall.

  • AlaskaAngel
    AlaskaAngel Member Posts: 1,836
    edited July 2012

    Obviously we each have the freedom to choose our own treatments. I especially admire those who are comfortable enough with a less common choice to be able to provide their impression about it for the benefit of others in a forum provided specifically for voicing their preference. 

    In addition, since the overwhelming majority of those posting on these forums are posting from the standpoint of being personally less than 5 years out from treatment, with the majority that number being within the first 3 years of treatment, forming accurate opinions is subject to that limitation.

    A.A.

  • AlaskaAngel
    AlaskaAngel Member Posts: 1,836
    edited July 2012

    Obviously we each have the freedom to choose our own treatments. I especially admire those who are comfortable enough with a less common choice to be able to provide their impression about it for the benefit of others in a forum provided specifically for voicing their preference. 

    In addition, since the overwhelming majority of those posting on these forums are posting from the standpoint of being personally less than 5 years out from treatment, with the majority that number being within the first 3 years of treatment, forming accurate opinions is subject to that limitation.

    A.A.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited July 2012

    I'm so glad I didn't have chemo because it was NOT RECOMMENDED by my MO. If my stats indicated I would benefit from chemo, I would have done it in a New York Minute. Statistically someone who needs chemo has a much better chance of living due to the treatment than dying from rare SEs of treatment. But whatever rocks your boat.

  • AlaskaAngel
    AlaskaAngel Member Posts: 1,836
    edited July 2012

    Hi yorkiemom,

    I support those who independently choose to do chemotherapy as well as those who do not.

    Unfortunately, and while it is not obvious, the risk for dying due to the chemo itself is not presented in those statistics, since it is not obvious who or how many of those with bc would have lived were it not for having done the chemotherapy.

    A.A.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited July 2012

    I opted out of chemo. It seemed like a harsh treatment for stage 1a. Literally overkill. I can understand why those with late stage cancer might choose such an aggressive treatment. 

    Other aspects of chemo that concerned me in regard to the immune system is all our life, we are building antibodies, immunity cells that are sometimes called smart cells that have a memory of all the viruses and etc that we've been exposed to in life. The antibodies killer cells know these intruders and are equipped to fight them when exposed to them again. Chemo kills all these fast good smart cells that's taken a life time to get. When done with chemo, you have to start all over and rebuild your immunity.

    These kinds of threads do become hot beds for bad feelings between alternative and conventional. No matter what treatment we choose, we will defend it. The alternative board is the place for those who chose treatments other than standard care and I suppose the person posting this thread is looking for support on her choice. In the chemo thread someone might post...Why I chose chemo. In that instance, you would respect her choice, knowing it was a place for her to voice her choice.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    thank you Dr. Weiss     Plus, given how rare this type of problem is, few of us know what this diagnosis means, what’s involved with her treatment, and her chances of a full recovery.

    Isn't it amazing, how far some people will go to provoke, and when so, ah, "new" ( neigh, neigh) to BCO.  Gotta go darn my socks Kiss

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited July 2012

    Wasn't this discussed before?

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited July 2012

    Locking the thread before this goes any further. Sorry to those who were truly engaged in the conversation.

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