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  • Ellendou
    Ellendou Member Posts: 139
    edited July 2012

    I am off to the BGC early in the morning, its an hours drive, so will be leaving about seven.....this is my second treatment, hope the SE will not be too bad this time.

  • Marcia1111
    Marcia1111 Member Posts: 368
    edited July 2012

    Pamela - Hooray for being done with AC!  O am so happy for you and will able to say the same in one week!

    KeepMoving - Thanks for filling me in!  My memory was bad before chemo, but now it's even worse.  Your quilt sounds beautiful.

    radioactive -  I have done 3 rounds of AC and will have 1 more next week.  I have gotten a Neulasta shot after each one.  The doctor said my WBC count was good, but not good enough to not get it.  I take Claritin beginning the day before and for a few days after.  I have had minimal bone bone pain.  She's going to reevaluate the Neulasta when I move to Taxol.

  • steelersluver
    steelersluver Member Posts: 112
    edited July 2012

    Keep Moving, I'm like you with the cost of things.  Every once in a while there is a coupon for the Biotene, but I've been happy with the ACT formula and the rembrant canker sore touthpaste.  The toothpaste was expensive, but goes far.  I have also had luck with finding scarves on ebay.  If you're interested, I can email you a few selles I got some from.

    Marcia, I have to admit I went through the "what to wear" before getting to chemo yesterday too.  I also ended up wondering why I was so worried when the main thing was that they could get to my port! 

     I survived round 2 of AC yesterday, but had a very long day because my counts were too low (drawn 2.5 days ahead), then the port did not work when they tried to access it to get a new blood count (I expected that since it didn't work 2 days before for the draw either).  I had to get an xray to check placement, but had to wait in line all over again at oncology...ughhh!  After arriving at 8am, I never actually got back to the chemo chair until after noon.  Then it took 2 tries to unclog the port before we could start.  The rest of the day went smooth, and I had a really funny "neighbor" in the chemo chair.  She is in far worse shape then me, but had an amazing sense of humor.  They are letting me try the L-Glutamine to help with the mouth ulcers this time, and suggested the neulesta may help by stopping my counts from going so low.  The did not require the neulesta yet because the counts came up, so I opted to see how it goes with the glutamine and being extra careful what I eat.  I'd rather avoind another drive to the clinic and another set of side effects.

  • havingfaith
    havingfaith Member Posts: 93
    edited July 2012

    Stepanie- I'm glad you were able to get a good nights sleep. Its amazing how we feel when we sleep through the night.

    Marcia-We are almost there. One more A/C left. Will you be doing taxol?

    Ellebee- I'm glad to hear you haven't had to do the Nuelasta. It would be nice to have one last trip to the clinic. Your energy is amazing!

    Pam- How are you today?  I know, it is so nice not to worry about all the color, drying, flat ironing during chemo. Take care!

    Melrose- It must feel good to be almost done. That is so great!

    Keepmoving-As the bills are starting to pile in I'm starting to get nervous about the cost of all this. I'm going to have to learn to be a better shopper.

    Radioactive- Iv been getting the Neulasta shot, but have been receiving A/C every two week instead of 3.  I think by going every 3 your body has time to make it own wbc.

    Ellendou- Good Luck today!!

    Tammie- So sorry to hear about your port. I hope there wont be anymore problems. What a long day you had. Glad the last half was good.

    Well everyone have a great day!!! Off to work, so glad it's Friday. Saturday is my husbands birthday. Looking forward to a nice day with the family.  Sunday we will be taking our oldest son to music camp. Its a 2 1/2 hour drive up in the mountains. Hopefully its cooler there!

  • Jane64
    Jane64 Member Posts: 29
    edited July 2012

    Hi has anyone had neupogen. Do you take the claritan with this too. Im in bgc now and my wbc are down so im getting neupogen now. Not happy about that but it is always something. Hope everyone has a nice weekend

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2012

    jane - Neupogen and Neulasta are two different formulations of the same drug - Neupogen is a multi dose drug, Neulasta a one dose version.  I would take Claritin with both, but it important to take it an hour before the first injection and then continue taking it every 24 hours for several days after the last injection.  Take the regular Claritin, not Claritin D. 

    Regarding Neulasta - onc have differing philosophies on this, just like they do on scans and tumor markers.  Some give it preventively, and some wait until you show a precipitous drop in WBC before using it.  It does come with side effects so I think that is why some docs hold off until it is needed - also it is quite costly.

  • Jane64
    Jane64 Member Posts: 29
    edited July 2012

    Thank you specialk, will take the claritin when i get home. So much info so helpful. Almost out of the bgc, only had herceptin today

  • pamelahope
    pamelahope Member Posts: 534
    edited July 2012

    I just finished my fourth a/c on Thursday and have gotten Neulasta the following Friday each time. My wbc drops low the following Thursday when I test. Then it rebounds.

    Keep moving, I just got my cea tumor marker test. I am not a big fan of scans. I believe they cause cancer in some instances. Anyway, after my third chemo my cancer cells went from 17 to 7.5. I just got my fourth infusion so this will only be reduced later. My BUN is creeping higher at 28. I hope I don't wind up with kidney damage.

    Getting tired. Asked for the smallest dose of ativan today. Seems to take away the low level nausea, plus, emend.

    Pam

  • KeepMoving
    KeepMoving Member Posts: 112
    edited July 2012

    Radioactivegirl, yes, I have Neulasta the day after every AC, because I go for an infusion every two weeks. 

    Ellendou, good luck on your 2nd treatment.

    Steelersluver, I pretty much wear my wig and these $1.00 bandanas at night - found them at Walmart for $1.00.  Thanks for the site offers.  I'm all set for now.

    Marcia, thanks for the bra donation site.  It's something that we don't think of donating.  Nice idea.

    Pamelahope, I don' t know much about tumor marker tests.  Just have heard of them and that they measure cancer in your blood.  A drop from 17 to 7.5 sounds huge though.  The chemo must be doing the trick.  Great!  I don't know about BUN and the kidneys.  Hope no kidney damage either.  I bet that doesn't happen.  CT scans increase cancer risk, but I don't think PET scans or bone scans do.  Hope you do ok on your last AC.

    StephanieJM, anything yet from Steve and Billiemae?  Hope they're doing ok.

    I'm having fatigue a little earlier this time, #3.  Can't wait to get #4 over!

    Take care everyone    

      

  • ElleBee
    ElleBee Member Posts: 162
    edited July 2012

    Hello my beautiful fighters!!!

    I feel like I am so detached from you all. I have been really busy with work, and work, and being there for a friend who is going through an awful breakup. He is actually the owner of a company I work for. And he calls upon me when his life is crumbling! And I love it, because I get to forget about my own crap for those moments.

    Ok...so the best thing that happened all week? The thing that blew my mind, and humbled me, and made me cry from the sheer wonderfulness of it? My boss at the restaurant I work part-time in....the place that is my social life....well, she SHAVED HER HEAD FOR ME! And I call her my boss, but she is so much more than that. She is one of my best friends. And after this, she is probably the best friend I have ever had. She took me out the day I had all my hair chopped off in preparation for the balding. And now she buzzed her head! Now many of us here are moms. We sacrifice every day for our kids. We do so for other loved ones too. This kind of selfless act, one that clearly shows that she is willing to put her own needs second to mine, just to show me she loves and supports me, is usually reserved for family only....if at all! I can honestly say that not a single biological family member of mine would even consider this. Well, it blew me away. I am tearful now as I type. WOW! Just wow.

    And she said, "I don't ever want you to feel alone, or ashamed, or embarassed. I am with you girl. Every day that you are here, I am going to rock the bald look. And I will do it until you don't need me to anymore".

    WOW. I am sorry for gushing, but I know you will all get it.

    Ok, now that I have that off my chest, I am going to take some time to read what I have missed and respond to each of you.

    All my love, my beauties!

    ElleBee 

  • Ellendou
    Ellendou Member Posts: 139
    edited July 2012

    ElleBee - what a wonderful friend you have --  really a true friend.

    My Daughter In Law and son and my Hubby have shaved their heads..I am still chicken to go out in public without a had or cover on -- did go for a few minutes when I was having Chemo today ---

    Big Hugs to you and your boss. 

  • Jane64
    Jane64 Member Posts: 29
    edited July 2012

    Ellebee that truly is an amazing friend

  • ElleBee
    ElleBee Member Posts: 162
    edited July 2012

    Ok, just did a little homework on Steve and Billiemae. They have not posted since 7/1. I really hope they are ok. I sent Steve a Private Message. My hope is that since he works in construction, and it is summer, that he is just SUPER busy. But isn't it always summer in Dallas?

    Ugh. I am hoping for the best.  She was one sick kiddo there for a while with an infection.

    Pam! Yay!!!!! AC is O.V.E.R.!!! You did it. Marcia, you are next girl.Who else is almost off the AC??? 

  • ElleBee
    ElleBee Member Posts: 162
    edited July 2012

    Ellendou: Glad to see you posting a day out of #2. How goes it? SEs minimal so far? Big hugs to you!

    Marcia: Thanks for the link about Bra donations. I will donate any that aren't shot by my surgery in Nov/Dec. But I have refused to buy any until after reconstruction....so they will probably all be shot (none are new as it is).

    Having Faith: Hope you have a wonderful day with your hubby tomorrow! Happy birthday, hubby! And i hope you also have a peaceful, beautiful drive into the mountains.  

    Steelersluver: sorry about the port issues dear. What a LONG day at chemo. 

    KeepMoving: Hang in there girl. One more to go!!! Then what? Taxol?

    So what are you ladies rinsing with for your mouths? I am just starting to get some more sensitivity 7 weeks in. (see? Taxol rocks! Everything is just slower to creep on). 

    Jane: hope you are doing well, darlin'.

    I am sure I am forgetting someone, and I am sorry for that. Please know I think of you all.

    XOXOXOXO

    ElleBee 

  • mom24boyzs
    mom24boyzs Member Posts: 53
    edited July 2012

    ElleBee- What a wonderful boss and friend you have! I find it amazing how wonderful everyone has been. I gent cards daily and meals just show up when we need them, the hat party. I have some wonderful friends and it soy ds like you do too!



    Pamelahope- I have not heard of the tumor marker test, but it sounds like your chemo is doing it's job! I'm sorry to hear about your continual fight with the WBC. Hoping it resolves itself.



    I feel like I have been out of the loop. My brother and his family have been visiting the past couple of days and I have been disconnected. I went to the BGC today. The port worked great and all my blood work looked really good too. The nurse and doc were really pleased. Me too! No nuelesta for me. The only thing I am concerned about is my blood sugars. I have diabetes and the steroids I take are making my blood sugars go through the roof. So, off to the primary care doc next week to see if we can figure something out. This was my 3rd treatment. That means I'm half way through! Yipeeee!! Now I have to start wondering when I will have surgery. Anyone els doing neoadjuvant chemo?

  • ElleBee
    ElleBee Member Posts: 162
    edited July 2012

    mom24: I am doing neoadjuvant chemo as well. Many of us are...Pam comes to mind right now. I have chemo through the month of October. Hoping to do surgery early to mid December so I am home in time for the holidays. I am looking at the flap procedure, so I understand it is a week in the hospital, minimum. Sorry about your sugars dear. How tough! Like one thing isn't enough?

  • Marcia1111
    Marcia1111 Member Posts: 368
    edited July 2012

    Ellebee - That is a wonderful story and you have every right to gush!  What a great friend.

    mom24boyz- You too!  I think that hat party sounds awesome.

    Ellendou - You too!  That is so sweet.  I doubt I will ever go out without a headcovering, but I was wering a baseball cap the other day with a headband under it to add a little more cover.  I wanted to try on another hat, so I looked around and very quickly switched hats.  I took a quick peek in the mirror, another quick peek to see if anyone was nearby, and one last switch of the hats.  I felt kind of silly, but it was kind of fun.  (I didn't buy it.)

    Pamela - I'm not familiar with either of those tests.  Your results sound promising.  I'm impressed that you're posting so soon after your infusion.  I hope that means that you're feeling a little better this time!

    KeepMoving - I hope you get a good night's sleep and have more energy tomorrow.

    Jane - I take Claritin the day before Neulasta (which is also chemo day) and for several days after.  I have had minimal bone pain.

    I hope everyone has a side effect free night!

  • ElleBee
    ElleBee Member Posts: 162
    edited July 2012

    Hey ladies....with the whole Claritin thing. I was told that only the brand name Claritin works....not generic. Is this true? It makes no sense to me. I think my source might have meant regular claritin and not Claritin-AD. Generic should be fine, right?

  • steelersluver
    steelersluver Member Posts: 112
    edited July 2012

    Ellebee, what a great work-family you have!  My coworkers have been great, but I can't see them going that far!  As for the mouth rinse, I've used both the Biotin and the ACT version of the dry-mouth formular (alcohol free).  I'd suggest using it after every meal.

     Marcia, Thanks for sharing the tip on the bras.  I gave some to Goodwill, but do still have some and it's nice to have a good home for them.

    I hope someone hears from Steve and Billiemae soon.  I worried about them with their rough times they had.  I've had a crappy couple days myself with this round, but it's slowly getting better.  I need to drink more water I know! 

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2012

    elle - you can use any antihistamine.  Some used Zyrtec also.  If you use the generic just double check the drug name, which I think is Loratidine, it is the same as the Walgreens or CVS (or whatever drug store) brand, just don't use the "D".  I actually used the one that dissolves on the tongue because I was really tired of swallowing pills!  Plus, that way you could take it if you didn't have water with you.

  • dgcote
    dgcote Member Posts: 28
    edited July 2012

    If your dr won't answer your questions ,if treatments are in a hospital setting you can go to the records dept. and get coppies of all your medical treatment by request.

  • dgcote
    dgcote Member Posts: 28
    edited July 2012

    Mine did not want to draw the first time, they had me raise my arm above my head it worked right away, only thing i could think was that the pressure helped to unblock it

  • pamelahope
    pamelahope Member Posts: 534
    edited July 2012

    Ellebee, What a beautiful story. What a true friend. She understood how hard it was to walk along alone and she did it too. Is she wearing scarves now or rocking the buzz cut?

    Day 3 after 4th chemo. So far okay. I added the smallest does of ativan to emend like 0.5. I think it is helping with the low level nausea. Plus slight anxiety.

    Pam

  • StephanieJM
    StephanieJM Member Posts: 78
    edited July 2012

    Good Morning,  Great to hear from all of you.  Great stories of friendships and support.

    I also emailed Steve privately, I am hoping maybe they just have a computer problem, or work overload!!  Let's all give them a big group hug.

    I do not understand what it is about Claritin that helps with the neulasta shot??  Was this recomm. by your dr.??  I had just been taking pain reliever, had my last neul. shot on Weds.  too late for claritin??

    Ellebee, I have had a real problem with mouth sores.  I rinse with 1/2 teas each soda and salt (sea salt if poss.) in a pint bottle of water, also use Biotine rinse.  MY NP suggested getting a little rubber baby gum brush that slips over your finger to brush with.  It is great, way better than even the baby toothbrush which she says can still tear and cut tender gums.  Stay away from crunchy foods, chips, even toast. 

    Hope you all enjoy a good Saturday.  Bless you!!   Stephanie

  • an30
    an30 Member Posts: 9
    edited July 2012

    Keep moving, I started chemo 5/31, TCH every 3 weeks for 6 weeks.  I just completed 3 round of chemo, and have not lost any eyebrows or eyelashes yet.

  • an30
    an30 Member Posts: 9
    edited July 2012

    Anyone experience low platelet count, and need platelet transfusion?  I have to do bloodwork again on Tuesday to see if this will be the case.  If so, what should I expect?

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited July 2012

    StephanieJM- The Claritin was suggested to me on this chemo threads.  I asked my onco if I could try taking the Claritin for the Neulasta shot pain and she said it was worth a try.  Here is a link for an ongoing clinical trial for the use of Claritin to help prevent the pain from the Neulasta shot:

    Evaluation of Loratadine for Prevention of Pegfilgrastim-Induced Pain

    http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01311336?term=claritin&rank=3

    Detailed Description:

    Pegfilgrastim is a myeloid growth factor that stimulates neutrophil precursors and can be used to decrease infection risk associated with neutropenia. However pegfilgrastim may induce back and leg pain in 20-50% of patients. No intervention has been consistently successful in treating or preventing this pain.

    The exact mechanism of pegfilgrastim-induced pain is unknown but may be related to histamine-mediated inflammation. Several case reports and anecdotal reports have suggested efficacy of antihistamines for this indication.

    This study will have two parts. In the first part (Observational Phase), patients receiving pegfilgrastim will be surveyed to document the incidence of significant pegfilgrastim-induced back and leg pain. In the second part (Treatment Phase), patients who previously experienced such pain will be randomized to receive a 7-day course of either the antihistamine loratadine or placebo to determine whether pegfilgrastim-induced back and leg pain can be prevented with this intervention.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2012

    an30 - I used to work in Transfusion Services in the hospital I had my BMX in.  Platelets are very fickle and undergo constant regeneration in the body.  They are the most fragile and mercurial of the types of blood cells in the body.  Your count can be low one day and normal the next.  That said, sometimes you can require a platelet transfusion during chemo.  It is also important to note why - platelets are what helps your blod clot - if you have irritation of the soft tissue in your body as a result of chemo and your platelets are too low you can bleed internally - NOT GOOD!  This is why they are checked and your doc will delay your chemo if they are too low.  A platelet transfusion is different from a blood transfusion in that it is much quicker, usually about 20 minutes.  The platelets are not refrigerated but are transfused at room temp.  Platelets are donated differently from blood and contain so few red blood cells that you do not need a crossmatch and can receive a blood type other than your own - but you will have blood drawn and sent to the blood bank anyway so they can type you - they would prefer to give you the correct blood type if they have platelets that match and are available.  For cancer patients the platelets need to be irradiated and cytomegalovirus negative and should be ordered that way by your doc - make sure this is the case.  This is to protect you in your immuno-compromised state.  If you have any other questions please do not hesitate to ask me, that is why I am here!

  • steelersluver
    steelersluver Member Posts: 112
    edited July 2012

    an30, My counts were too low 3 days prior to my chemo last week, so they re-ran them the day of chemo to see if I'd need platelets, and they actually came up enough to get the chemo. So, like Special K said, don't throw in the towel as they can change a lot quickly.

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