Someone remind me - why keep the breast?

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Jennt28
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Someone remind me - why keep the breast?
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  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited July 2012

    I just wrote this in the June rads thread but thought it might deserve it's own topic...



    Someone remind me why a lumpectomy and rads was preferable over a UMX?



    All I'm seeing at the moment is that I've chosen to keep a breast that will cause: continued pain from surgery and burns, will be too sensitive to touch, harder, scarred, smaller/larger, will still need mammograms and may still get another cancer. And I don't know about all of you but really it's of no psychological use to me during sex anymore.



    Did I leave anything out?



    So remind me what the advantage was again?



    Jenn

  • Beckers
    Beckers Member Posts: 1,883
    edited July 2012

    Hi Jenn, I too asked myself the same. Unfortunately I had DCIS in the other side and was going to have both radiated. After a two week research process I made the decision to have BMX. It is not an easy decision and I am nervous but after meeting with the RO, I found myself right where you are. Good luck!

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited July 2012

    I'm already 9 days into 28 of rads :-/ So shocked by what I'm going to end up with...



    Jenn

  • Lee7
    Lee7 Member Posts: 657
    edited July 2012

    Jenn,

    I understand and don't have a good answer for you. All my options were thrown at me in the same appt I found out I had cancer and I had left that appt already agreeing to the lumpectomy/rads without any clear idea what rads were going to be like.   I really should have asked more questions and I WISH I knew about this site then.

    There are so many good threads about rads and what helps with the recovery.  I did ok. Hang in there.

    Dx 10/2010, IDC, 1cm, Stage IIa, Grade 2, 1/25 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-

  • Stormynyte
    Stormynyte Member Posts: 650
    edited July 2012

    I'm a little over a month out from a right mastectomy. I didn't do recon as I didn't see the need for it. I thought no big deal, not like I need it. I didn't think it would bother me at all to lose a breast, but it does, quite a bit actually.

    I've just ordered a breast form yesterday. I didn't get one before because I didn't think I would care about the flatness, and I didn't realize how, for lack of a better word, naked and vulnerable I would feel with this big dent where my breast used to be. 

    I can't give you any medical advice, but I can sure tell you there are psychological reason to keep it that I was totally unaware of until they hit me. 

    Also, there is the numbness. Not just on my chest, but my arm and shoulder too. I'm hoping that will go away, but I've read that some people have it forever, as well as pain, permanent nerve damage, cording and a host of other issues. I wish I hadn't done it now that it's over with. 

    I'm not trying to talk you out of it or anything, this is just my personal babbling, we each have to do what is right for us. 

    Best of luck with this hard decision.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2012

    Hello ladies. Hope you had a great day! 

    Just posted this reply to ya in Rads Jenn...Repost it here for you too.

    BIG HUGS JENN!! Your post just made me burst into tears...One of those days!!!Can't stop crying but I am right there with ya. That is ONE of my issues today. I feel like a big blubbering BABY! And I should be happy, my last rad was yesterday but I feel the opposite. UGH!!

    Healing, comforting Hugs,

    Denielle

  • Elizabeth1889
    Elizabeth1889 Member Posts: 1,036
    edited July 2012

    In the past year, I have asked myself so many times why I chose to have a lumpectomy instead of an MX. If I had known how much I would hate having rads, I certainly would have chosen an MX. I was so stunned when I was first diagnosed that I went along with whatever the BS recommended and he said a lumpectomy and rads would work for me. I will never know what I should have chosen. I just know that I had to make a snap decision at an incredibly stressful time. We all do the best we can.

  • Racy
    Racy Member Posts: 2,651
    edited July 2012

    Jenn, I believe cosmetic and psychological reasons are two of the justifications for keeping a breast, and these are very subjective.



    Plus the surgery is less invasive and, if there is no recurrence, there are no follow up surgeries such as would be involved with reconstruction.



    As I recall, the survival rates are supposed to be the same with both options but, logically, the local recurrence rate is higher after lumpectomy, but still quite low.



    There should be some info in the treatment and side effects menu on this topic. Plus it has been discussed in other threads.



    Maybe your question was rhetorical. Only you can decide what is important to you.

  • Racy
    Racy Member Posts: 2,651
    edited July 2012

    Postscript: From my first appointment with the BS (same day as diagnosis and my head was spinning!) he was selling lumpectomy and did not recommend mastectomy at all. As I did not want to hear about the latter I followed his recommendation. I have had a few post rads issues but no regrets. But that's just me, not you :-).

  • curveball
    curveball Member Posts: 3,040
    edited July 2012

    Well, you probably won't need reconstruction after lumpectomy. I chose mastectomy and don't regret it (at least not yet--ask me again after reconstruction), because with lumpectomy I would definitely have needed radiation treatment and I was desperately eager to avoid it. I am leaning toward a flap reconstruction, which from all I have heard is a major operation with a long and sometimes very uncomfortable recovery period. There is also some chance that the flap will fail, and generally further surgeries for revision are needed after the original operation to move the tissue flap. With implants, in all likelihood they will need to be replaced after a number of years.

    My guess is that you have avoided at least two surgeries (flap transfer + revisions, or TE placement + implant exchange) by choosing the lumpectomy.

  • thefuzzylemon
    thefuzzylemon Member Posts: 2,630
    edited July 2012

    I'm a supporter (LOL...that was kinda funny) of getting rid of my breast tissue. The left breast was removed 24 hours after diagnosis. The right will be removed later in the year....after I heal from the radiation. That's just me though.

    Now, others do have real connections to the "ladies" and struggle with what the Nasty C takes from us. It is a big surgery and requires weeks (or longer) to recover....reconstruction may not seem/feel natural....there's many reasons to some. I suppose it just depends on what you think.

  • Pessa
    Pessa Member Posts: 519
    edited July 2012

    I had a BMX (second was prophylactically).  No reconstruction.  I was 58 at the time (turned 61 yesterday).  I did not want radiation therapy and was able to avoid it with the MX.  I also did not want to go through mammo/MRI every 6 months with the accompanying worries, and certainly wanted to try to avoid a new cancer in the other breast.  There is numbness over the surgical scars and small surrounding areas, which is very slowly improving, but I doubt it will ever be completely normal.  No LE, no cording, no pain.  I am very happy with my decision. 

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited July 2012

    A mastectomy is not without side effects, particularly if you are having reconstruction. Just like with radiation, not everyone's experience is the same; some women have few physical and emotional issues after a mastectomy but other women have many issues and take a long time to heal physically and adjust emotionally. 

    Post mastectomy pain syndrome is more common that anyone would have you know. So is phantom itching (I still have itching regularly more than 6 years after my surgery). There can be problems with healing.  For those who have reconstruction, revisions often are necessary.  Removing a breast changes your body and can temporarily or permanently affect your muscles, your arms, etc..  

    I didn't have rads so I can't speak for the experience but my understanding is that most of the physical changes usually aren't permanent.  The physical changes from a MX are permanent.  

    And you can still get BC again even after a MX.  

    What it comes down to is that neither choice is particularly good. Undecided  You decide which one seems better to you and then you cross your fingers and take your chances.  

  • LAstar
    LAstar Member Posts: 1,574
    edited July 2012

    I had a lump & re-excision and neither were able to obtain clear margins, so mx was my only option. I chose bmx & flap reconstruction (yah, recovery is not that fun). I do feel a sense of relief about skipping rads & tamoxifen, and my recurrence risk is much lower even if my survival rate is the same for lump/rads. I simply could not have chosen mx without being forced into it! Some people get lump/rads & live happily ever after. I hope you are one of those lucky gals.

  • Racy
    Racy Member Posts: 2,651
    edited July 2012

    Jenn, you should also research reconstruction options after radiation (if you haven't already) if you are thinking of having reconstruction. I have read the options are more limited and you may have to wait a while to allow your skin to recover from rads.



    It is hard to predict how well your breast will recover from rads. I will be one year post rads next week and my breast looks and feels fairly normal and is just a tiny bit larger than the other. I have had some lymphedema or cellutis issues but know how to manage those now.

  • Blessings2011
    Blessings2011 Member Posts: 4,276
    edited July 2012

    When I was dx'd with DCIS and IDC in my left breast last September, I was offered a lumpectomy with rads.

    But my cancer was multifocal, and the surgeon told me that she would have to take such a large wedge of tissue, the breast might be deformed, and I might not be happy with the outcome. She suggested that I think about a UMX.

    I did a lot of reading here (I was fortunate to find this site before my surgery), a lot of research, a lot of praying, and a lot of thinking.

    The original girls were 38DDD. They were huge, fibrocystic, painful, and droopy. If I had a UMX, I would need a major reconstruction on the remaining right breast. I figured there was no way they'd ever be able to match them up.

    Several of my friends had either themselves, or had family members, go through several lumpectomies, only to have a mastectomy later on, wishing they had just done it the first time.

    Some friends had very severe reactions to rads. Others had no reaction at all.

    Other friends had lumpectomies and rads, and have been NED ever since. They have no regrets and no fears about the future.

    My mom had BC, dx'd at the same age I was - 61. She had a radical mastectomy  (and in those days, it WAS radical!) and no other treatment. She passed at the age of 87 from other causes, with no recurrence of cancer.

    My radiologist was very concerned that she couldn't tell what was going on in my right breast, and wanted me to have further testing. I thought about carrying around these suspicions for the rest of my life, and suddenly, there I was, considering a BMX.

    And that's what I did. I had a very small cancer and I had the maximum surgery, with immediate placement of tissue expanders. The lymph nodes were clear, so no chemo, and all my margins were clear, so no radiation.

     I'm about a month away from my exchange surgery.

    Physically, I know it was major surgery. I had a rocky start, especially with the TEs. Not everyone can handle them in their bodies. I was fortunate. I also wanted to try them before I made the decision to go flat. I never considered any of the flap procedures. I think the more work you have done, the more possibilities exist that something can go wrong.

    Emotionally, I hated the way my original breasts looked and made me feel. Losing them was not a huge deal for me....getting perky new ones is.

    My DH is very supportive of my choice, and agreed that of all my options, I chose the one that made the most sense for me. I didn't keep my nipples, but I do have sensation in the breast skin.

    On December 5th, I had a BMX (right one was a prophy - no cancer found) and I have never, ever, regretted my decision.

  • tina_jason
    tina_jason Member Posts: 147
    edited July 2012

    Jenn, I am struggling with this very same issue after having a lumpectomy in May and re-excision in June.  Right now I hate everything about my left breast and have been wishing that I didn't have it there.  I have so many scars from biopsies, aspirations, drains and the actual surgery site.  I am trying so hard not to be vain but its been difficult.  When I was diagnosed all I wanted was to keep my breast and now I can't even remember why.

  • Beckers
    Beckers Member Posts: 1,883
    edited July 2012

    Tina,



    I believe you can have plastic surgery to fix it. Worth looking into.

  • Beckers
    Beckers Member Posts: 1,883
    edited July 2012

    Blessings, you were fortunate to find this site before surgery. I'm now on plan B. Grateful for sure, but wish I would have known then what I know now. I was pretty much deer in headlights then!

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited July 2012

    Hi everyone,



    Your comments have been greatly appreciated and have contributed to my decision making process...



    This last Wednesday after 12 of the planned 28 rads treatments I met with my rad onc (RO) and quit rads! I have not stopped smiling since, although I did have to console my poor RO :-)



    The heightened risk to me from the rads and my ongoing higher likelihood of more BC in both breasts due to an adolescent history of a high number of x-rays (too long a story to explain) was just too much for me to continue.



    So I am on to the alternate plan. I have an appt on Monday week with my BS to discuss plans for a double MX with reconstruction. And I met with my psych onc the other day who validated my decision when she said it was obvious that I had made a considered and educated decision...



    Jenn

  • Lee7
    Lee7 Member Posts: 657
    edited July 2012

    Jenn,

    I sent you a PM.

  • Beckers
    Beckers Member Posts: 1,883
    edited July 2012

    I'm happy for you Jenn. Once I met with new surgeon and knew I was having BMX, I had a weight lift off my shoulders. I know it will be difficult but there's no easy way out of this. Ha! I too, had extenuating circumstances being I have synchronous BC. I'm thankful I had options. Best wishes!

  • rgiuff
    rgiuff Member Posts: 1,094
    edited July 2012

    I've never regretted having a lumpectomy.  Both breasts look and feel the same except for a small dent in the left breast.  It can seem scary at the time when you are diagnosed, but once you get a few years away like I am (over 4 years now), the danger seems very minimal now.  And for me, the most important thing is that I have not lost the sensation of my nipples and didn't have to deal with uncertain outcomes of reconstruction.   Radiation was no big deal, had absolutely no side effects, it was just a daily thing that took 30 mins at most (in and out) at a place 5 mins from my house at a time that worked for me with my work schedule, which I continued full time.  No burns, no pain.  

  • tina_jason
    tina_jason Member Posts: 147
    edited July 2012

    I have been reading a little about reconstruction after lumpectomy.  My breast drained a lot on Thursday and by the end of the day I actually had a dent in it, which was a concern of mine from the beginning.  I knew the size of my tumor as well as the amount of breast tissue they would have to take, and knew there was a high risk of my breast being deformed after the surgery.  My husband says its fine and doesn't bother him but its bothering me right now.  When I am finished with rad I may look into it but at this point just the thought of another surgery fills me with dread.  On the flip side my left breast was always larger than my right but now they are the same size.  I look for the silver lining in every cloud!

  • tina_jason
    tina_jason Member Posts: 147
    edited July 2012

    Thank you.  This was encouraging to me.

  • marilyn113
    marilyn113 Member Posts: 118
    edited July 2012

    I too was persuaded to go with lumpectomy and radiation.  I finished rads in Jan and the breast looks good.  However, I was completely freaked out about how they would be able to find a recurrence in my very dense breasts.  I was really regretting my choice.  Then it occurred to me that I didn't have to live with my original decision.  I went back to my BS and said I wanted them both removed.  She tried to talk me out of it but said she would support my decision.  My BMX will be on 8/1, no reconstruction.  I do worry about PMPS and other possible problems, but I can't live my life in fear.

  • nora_az
    nora_az Member Posts: 720
    edited July 2012

    I was offered a lumpectomy. It was ME who said I wanted a double mastectomy.

    I went under with my old breasts and woke up with new ones and a tummy tuck out of the deal (I had DIEP) My new breasts have no feeling to them but it's ok. Sort of annoying at times. I am happy with the decision.

  • kaza
    kaza Member Posts: 284
    edited July 2012

    I chose to have a mastectomy with lass dors reconstruction oct 09. I do not regret this aithough reconstruction was not great i do not not regret my decision.

  • kaza
    kaza Member Posts: 284
    edited July 2012

    I chose to have a mastectomy with lass dors reconstruction oct 09. I do not regret this aithough reconstruction was not great i do not not regret my decision.

  • OhAyeAyeAye
    OhAyeAyeAye Member Posts: 4
    edited August 2012
     I may be crazy but I did not want any extreme measures to treat my BC. 2 weeks ago I had a lumpechtomy and sentinal node surgery. (Margins and nodes came back neg.Laughing) They wanted to do a more extreme lumpectomy because I had calcifications several cm from the invasive cancer. The calcifications were negative and were extracted during stereo biopsy a month before so I saw no reason to remove more of that tissue and everything in between. I saw no reason to be disfigured. The surgeons gave me my way regarding the scope of the surgery. I am happy with my choice.  I'll have radiation to improve my odds against recurrance but I am not sure I am willing to take the Anastrozole the ONC wants to put me on for 5 years. Awful side effects! Why would I want to take something that will weaken my bones and heart? The trade offs are rediculous! I suppose I am a terrible patient but I'll take my chances with the choices I am making.

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