June 2012 Mastectomy
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@lovemysamoyeds, have you discussed with your doctor whether there are any alternatives to the ALND? Or have you talked about it with them already and decided on the ALND as the most desireable of the available treatment options?
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@curveball: I am meeting with my BS on Monday to discuss all this and hopefully get my drain out. Because where I treat is a Comprehensive Cancer Center, this is their protocol. Last night I read so many studies and of course, the landmark study which changed the course of how circulating tumor cells and micros are handled, my BS/MO will definately follow the protocol. Here is a comment from the NEJM:
" . . . that looking for micromets in the sentinel nodes can be like "baking 1 raisin into a cake and then going after the raisin." If you only take 1 cut of the cake, then chances are that you won't find it, he explained, but taking 300 cuts increases the probability that you will. "The harder you look, the more you will find," said Dr. Weaver about micromets. This is "gratifying," but "it really doesn't make a difference."
So, on Monday, I will have to schedule surgery for the dissection since everything has been done. Since this new landmark study, what ever happened to women that had positive nodes? What happened to the analysis that chemo will clean up any stray cells that are left behind systematically, and I assume, microscopic cell in your nodes?
While reading these boards over the last several weeks, I always wondered why a lot of women had the SNB and a full dissection. Now I understand -- as if we don't have enough psychological and scarring as it is with this disease. I had BC 10 years ago on the other breast and I thought I could breeze right through this surgery and treatment --- OH, SO WRONG!
On Monday, the tumor board review will convene and discuss my case. After I have the full dissection, as I was already told, it will not preclude me from ALSO having radiation to my armpit area after chemo. That is up to the tumor board to make that additional recommendation. I will find out on Monday --
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lovemysamoyeds: sorry you have to deal with this crap. There is no sense to some of us feeling relieved and believing it's all behind us vs one or two little tiny cells that are throwing you back into turmoil. Did you have chemo already? If not or if you have to do it again or a little more, or radiation, chin up and FAKE IT if you have to. You will get through this. The doctors sound thorough and are trying to hunt down and get everyone of those little bastard cells that aren't behaiving like they should. I swear that's how I got through some of my darkest days - faking it or attivan. We are all here for you though.
Good riddance June 2012...surgeries are wrapping up and I PRAY everyone is healing well and getting drains out and starting to rebuild where this crap ass disease tore us down. I've had 2 fills so far and they are not bad at all. Kind of a joke. The TEs are weird and hard but the new girls are going to look terrific I can already see (strangely I don't miss my nipples yet...) I'm marveling at the small but gravity defying bulges slowly growing on my chest and am reveling at not feeling any damn lumps on the left side anymore!)
I've also got some pretty short and ugly hair that barely qualifies as a buzz cut. But thanks to appetite loss and nervous energy that I used to exercise, I'm pretty happy with my stomach and legs and this has me feeling 1/2 female and good. Maybe I'll even feel like being intimate with my husband again sometime later this year. ouch.
Gotta run...3 yr old is not settling down...ugh
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nang- yes i would love to wait with me!!! My doctor is going on vacation thats why im waiting so long. UNFAIR
My drain removal hurt like someone was burning me with a match, but only the right side(nodes remove) the left hurt much much less.
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Just want to know how long did it take after your BMX for you to look at your body?? I havent looked yet...to scared
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Tais I looked right away! I also took a sneak peek in the hospital room and pulled up my bandage. Then I took a sponge bath and asked the nurses to show me in the mirror so they helped me stand so I could see. I also flashed my mom and sisters, my friend who is a nurse, and my husband. I actually think its really beneficial for others to see bc it makes it real for them. For us it's an experience totally encompassing every aspect of our lives, but for especially my sisters I wanted them to see so that they will take my urging them to get regular check ups seriously. Also, I think I might take pics to show my daughters someday. My youngest walked in on me changing a bandaid on my drainhole on the one side that is still healing. Later that day she asked me..."mommy, what happened to those long things on your 'NIN? " (NIN is our nickname for breasts) she was talking about my nipples, so I had to explain that part to her. But she was really normal about it all. I haven't shown my 11 yo yet. I might not. She's at that age where everything needs to be normal and just like everyone else....so, I might just take pics and share it with her when shes interested. I also think its important to look so you can keep track of your bruising and how it's developing. I can't feel anything on the bottom third of my breast and that area is all dark and green now...but it feels like nothing. So, I think knowing that I'm seeing healing is also good. It could like, go black or something and how would I know if something weird was going on if I didn't look and know whats going on there?.
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Thank you, curveball, and for anyone else who sent good thoughts my way on Thursday. I haven't posted much here, but have been reading and following everyone's journeys since this thread started, keeping all of you in my prayers, and learning so much from your experiences.
My surgery was at 2:00 Thursday, and I was home (actually, at my mother's where I'm staying for a couple days) by 2:00 Friday. Just 2 drains, not in any pain except one drain site is a little tender. All the nurses, as well as the lady who fit me for my compression bra, said my site looked great - they couldn't believe it looked so "good" so soon after surgery. I have no bandages, all my stitches are inside & will disolve, and the scars are covered with clear glue. I'm about to take my first shower, and will be glad tou get all the yellow disinfectant stuff off me.
Someone came to my mom's door last night, and when she answered it, we were all shockec to see my big sister. She'd flown in from Connecticutt so she could "see for herself that I was ok". We stayed up till 11 talking and eating peach cobbler!
Is anyone else in a compression bra? I came home wearing it but nobody told me if or when I should take it off. I didn't have any reconstruction or TE's but one of my existing silicone implants (my 30th birthday present to myself 21 years ago!) ruptured during surgery, so my PS had to do more work than he expected. I think that's why I got the compression bra instead of a surgical cami. I'm assuming I'm supposed to keep it on all the time (except for showering); does anyone know?
Hugs to all of you, and huge thanks to those who are so faithful to post. Please know how much you've helped me - and probably many others like me that are better readers than posters. I truly am grateful for each of you.
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7of9: thanks for your words of encouragement from the depths of this hellish crap I'm in at the moment - stuck in. Yes, these last couple of days, Xanax has been my BFF!
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Thanks to all of ya'll for your prayers and support..I had right mx on the 26th and am actually feeling good..Surgery was alot easier than the anticipation of it..I had 15 nodes removed and will know all results next week..I am sure some are positive because I am stage 4 w mets to liver..But at least it is gone out of my boob..woohoo!! I took bandages off and showered yesterday and not at all freaked out which I was so glad of since it was my birthday..My only concern is the drains. I am having a little seeping out and was wondering if that was normal. I put bandage back over it and will call BS Monday..Prayers for all Junebugs on recovery and all of those going into July.
Have a Blessed Weekend!
Terry
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Anybody had problems with bruising or drainholes? I woke up this am and my last drainhole had leaked all over my pyjammas. It was probably about a half teaspoon to a teaspoon of blood, but not fresh red blood, it looks like old blood u know kinda darker brownish? I went to the wound clinic to see the nurse as soon as I woke up and saw it and she wasnt concerned about infection, she said she thinks I have a hematoma bc the breast is green on that side, bruise green but green nonetheless. She gave me a pad to wear on the drainhole because my skin is irritated from all the bandaid tape.
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NanG - i think it's a build up of fluid that hadn't come out yet that you experienced leaking. I have so much fluid underneath since getting my drains out and my plastic surgeon said that would happen and that he would drain me when he sees me. He didn't want to leave the drains in when I was just about finished w my antibiotics (risk of infection).
Lovemysamoyeds- my bs is NOT doing the axillary dissection but I don't remember the reason why as I was so overwhelmed by the word micromet. I am doing another round of chemo (Adriamycin) and radiation. Had my MUGA scan yesterday.
Hope everyone is healing well.
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cjanet: Did you do Taxotere first and then doing AC?
NanG: I think if you had an infection, you would be running a temp. My bruising is multiple colors right now. I have not hit the "green" bruising stage yet. Maybe you ripped the stitching on your last drain that was holding it in. Did you call your BS?
Hope everyone is healing well!
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Good morning everyone. I'm just feeling a little blue this weekend.I had my BMX with immediate reconstruction 11 days ago. I started to feel pretty good. The pain is manageable, I even showered and started to feel normal again. Then the pain killer SE kicked in, and I was so majorly constipated yesterday. The BS prescribed Doc-Q-Lace but only 5 days worth. I had it refilled but then all the pharmacies by my house were out of it. I finally got it Friday night but it was too late. I thought I was dying yesterday. Today is a little better, so hopefully it's starting to kick in.My final pathology comes in on Tuesday, so I am worried. Also, some of my skin is raw so my PS is worried about necrosis. I may need additional surgery.Ugh, I think I should take my xanax now.
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beata44, i had my bmx on the 19th. I am taking colace twice a day. it didn't work until the day I took 3 walks. I'm drowning myself in water too. Hope the pipes work better today! Good luck with your skin irritation & upcoming path.
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Wow hard to believe it is already July! Hoping that everyone continues to heal and get good reports
For those who are still waiting to go and / or got moved into July sending positive peaceful thoughts your way!
I had my reexcisement Weds then ended up back in BS office Fri when it appeared I was bleeding or draining profusely and that the incision had started to open. This of course happened in midst of PET scanBS did ultrasound and said I had a serona and he drained it. He then slapped 5 new new sutures in which I was thrilled about but whatever it takes right?
So now I'm watching and trying to figure how much redness is too much redness. At this point the site is just po'd at constant trauma and letting me have it! I am now hoping that PET scan is clear ...
Hang in there June bugs whatever this POS disease throws our way we got it!! -
I know it's not June anymore so I'm really late to the club, but I had my surgery on June 26 so I am in the middle of trying to sort out if my recovery is going normally or not. Of course that is assuming there is any 'normal' to strive for. Heheh
I chose to have a simple mastectomy along with the normal node biopsy and no recon. I may decide to pursue that later but decided to keep this surgery as simple as possible.
I spent two nights in the hospital. I have no idea how long my surgery was as I kind of lost track of the time during all the pre-surgery stuff and then I was pretty out of it when I did come out of the anesthesia. I don't remember much about the recovery room or the trip to my hospital room. I think I threw up some liquids a few times. I know I threw up a bit after I first got up to use the bathroom. They gave me nausea meds after those incidents. They kept me on liquid diet the next day and progressed to some foods the next day. Everything seemed to go well. I was kind of interested in my blood pressure readings as I had been diagnosed with hypertension in April and I had been adjusting my diet to try to fix that. All of my readings were good in the hospital including a few on the nervously low side (90 over 50). I didn't worry about my diabetes there since I had no control over my diet. They did lower the amount of glucose they were pumping into me through my IV after a few high readings and that seemed to get my numbers down to acceptable levels.
I'm kind of glad that I chose to stay two nights there. I was feeling a lot more restless and active on the second day and was really really tired of how that hospital bed was making me feel. I came home Thursday afternoon. I've been doing my arm exercises and taking my Norco. I'm experiencing some constipation and I'm not sure that or the meds are to blame for my poor appetite lately. I know I'm not really eating enough but I'm just not that hungry.
I wasn't expecting my incision site to look so weird and lumpy. I was kind of expecting just a smooth scar. It seems really fat and puffy right where my drain is but then if I compare that side to my non-surgery side, I do have a bit of side-boob there so maybe it's just where they stopped taking boob out.
They didn't make an extra incision for the sentinel nodes they removed (2) so I don't have the underarm incision. I think that is giving me a better range of motion than I had expected. (yay)
Other than feeling really tired at times - and tenderness in some of the incision area especially around the drain - I'm not feeling too bad. My boyfriend was kind of surprised that I'm a lot more mobile and 'normal' than he was expecting me to be.
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Hello Jinkala and welcome, sorry that its under these circumstances.
Glad to hear that your surgery went well overall, I had my surgery on the 27th so I'm recovering as well.
Wishing you a continued successful recovery in the days ahead.
Beata44: wishing you a clean path report. Hang in there, I know it can be nervewrecking!
kirwin: Wow! What a day for you! How is the redness now? Is it better! Best wishes on your PET scan!
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Okay, so the green bruise is slowly turning yellow. The drainage is stopping...now it's like spotting but it's like brownish yellow coming out I dunno. I don't think it is an infection I think it's just bruise juice. I asked the nurses n they didn't think it was infection and i don't have any fever, chills or shivers or any other signs. I'm pretty sure I'm getting better anyways.
Something WEIRD is happening tho, and I haven't heard anyone else say this. I have weird pain down the back of my arms. Now, wait its not PAIN pain....it's like, the skin is really sensitive. I've had this feeling before in my life where it feels like u can't brush your fingers across your skin because it's too sensitive...pressure doesnt seem to be painful tho. It's almost like my skin nerves are hypersensitive or something? My arms aren't puffy or anything, so I don't suspect LE but I dunno. -
NanG, I don't want to scare you or anyone else at all but please take this hematoma stuff seriously. I almost croaked 2x. Had the Mx on 6/7 and it was a total success (except that the patient almost died lol)..... Got out of hosp 6/9. On 6/15 my chest turned purple, blew up to my neck and I was bleeding out of the drain holes. Went to ER, blood pressure of 81/54. Had surgery for hematoma where there was 1,000 cc's of blood removed. On 6/19, was still in hospital and out of nowhere blood started pouring out of the drains AGAIN and had another emergency surgery. I'm out of the hospital now but still have 2 drains (since 6/7) that are draining apprx. 60 for drain 1 and 80/90 for drain 2 every 24 hours so they aren't going away yet. I had te'S WHICH he of course removed during the first emergency surgery. I will think about what to do about that somewhere down the line. I'm just saying, most times surgery goes exactly as planned but sometimes shit happens. Be careful and watch.
Wishing a speedy recovery to all us June girls and sending good and healing vibes to all you July gals.....
Bev
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Wow bev49, you have really been through it, i'm so sorry, i'm glad you're home and pray for a peaceful healing moving forward!
NanG: are you able to go into your doctors just to get it checked out? Like bev49 said, we can't be too careful.
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NanG - I can't speak to the bruise and drainage, but I agree with bevg you can't be too cautious. As for the numbness in the back of your arm, that may be from the node disection. they can't be very precise when they cut because the nodes are so small and definitely hit some nerves. It's been over 6 months since mine and it is still slightly numb, but much, much better.
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Can u put pics on here?
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NanG- defintely ask your dr but it sounds like something I have too. Its on the underside of yours arms and it feels fine except if you touch it then its REALLY sensative and almost painful. I also have it when I straighten my arms and rotate. its like a tight pain but not horrible. Not sure if thats what you are describing or not. I did ask my BS and she said it was fine.. that it happened afterwards sometimes due to the nerves but will get better. Mine is better than it used to but still there a bit. If you find out more let me know
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U know what it's like? Sunburn...u know sunburn doesn't hurt when u have pressure but if you brush the skin or rub against it it's soooo sensitive. Sunburn is exactly what it feels like.
Called PS and there was no one at office. It's closed for holidays this week. But I still have appt with him tomorrow at the cancer center. I think it's healing girls. I'm really positive it is healing but taking advise from good counsel here I did call and email my PS a hot topless shot of myself that he can revel in for years to come! Lol. Never would've thought id be emailing doctors pics of my boobs ever.... -
NanG, I needed the laugh this morning. Thanks for the giggle about the topless photo!
Hopefully, it's just the nerves tingling. Wishing you the best. -
Hello my June Bugs!! Hoping everyone is recovering and feeling better!
Nang and Jen I also have that tingle feeling under my arm and have been worried about it. I do have an appt tomorrow with BS and MO will be asking about it. Hoping drains come out I have had them since the 18th what a pain in the ass they are!! The only downside of getting them out is one step closer to radiation 😱 -
I too have strange sensation over a large part of the surgical area. It feels different than it did before surgery and different from the other side. I think the skin may be numb, but tissue below skin level retains some sensation, which I wasn't expecting. From my reading before surgery I knew numbness is a common side effect of mastectomy, but I guess I thought there would either be total numbness or no loss of feeling at all, not this sort of in-between condition. Oh well, it may feel weird, but it doesn't hurt.
If this is the "new normal" I can certainly live with it. There is also some odd sensation on the back of my arm, and if you still have a drain in, that can pinch the nerve and cause discomfort or tingling on your arm. Lots of the stiff, hard stuff under my skin that I thought was the drain is still there, so now I am assuming it is sutures/scar tissue from the surgery. I have a followup appointment with the surgeon this afternoon and will check to see if this is the case.
I haven't gotten the results of the Oncotype test yet, but Dr F (oncologist) said it could take up to two weeks, especially with the holiday this Wednesday, so I wasn't really expecting to have heard by now. Which other Junebugs definitely or possibly will be having chemo?
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I have the weird sensation on back of arm and just figured it was due to the AXL it can get better over time so that is what I'm hoping for! My redness seems to be holding steady and I have no fever so hoping we are past all that and will commence healing!
I start chemo 7/19. Because I have the lymph node involvement and the lymphatic invasion (makes me feel like my body is Russia LOL) they switched the order so chemo first and then radiation. So many ups and downs i just keep trying to hold myself steady for now knowing I'll get through it
Hugs and healing thoughts for everyone and hoping you are all getting the maximum support possible on all fronts!
Kristi -
I got cold yesterday and had the sensation that I was getting goosbumps all over my chest, but my skin looked normal. Strange stuff!
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Just got back from my post op with the PS. I only have 2 drains but they weren't quite ready to come out. I see BS on Thursday and I might be able to get them out them. They dont bother me too much. All in all, I just don't think I've handled this as well as I thought I would. I did have a really bad reaction to the anesthesia so my time at the hospital was pretty miserable. Now that Im home, I feel my attitude improving. I even can look at my scars and not feel too bad about it. I have nice muscle tone so I can see that eventually I'll have a couple of perky boobs. As far as pathology, I do know there was more LCIS on the left(not a surprise) but there was DCIS on the right (that was a surprise). Still waiting on final pathology but should know by Thursday. I continue to pray for peace and healing for us all. Best wishes,
Lori
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