June 2012 Radiation Rads

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  • Loveforlife
    Loveforlife Member Posts: 167
    edited June 2012

    Hi All,

    So sorry to hear all the crappy tech stories. I have the same group of techs this second time around. They are great. Excellent at explaining things and making sure I know how long everything takes. I did have to fight to get a decent time slot. The first time I had rads (left side) I have a 1:10 appointment which meant going to work and driving to the hospital on my lunch hour and then back to work (about a 25 minute drive each way.) It was a pain and added to the fatigue. This time I'm in at 8:30, out by 8:50 and to work by 9:15 or so...

     I'm on day 6 of the Canadian protocol. 10 to go. No boost since the margins were huge. Skin is looking great per my oncologist. Not feeling any warmth. I didn't have any skin changes until the last week or so last time around, so I'm not expecting much. It is important to know that, as a nurse told me, we keep "cooking" after rads. Oncologist told me that with the shorter treatment, the skin changes can happen longer (last time they said 1 week, this time he said 2 weeks.)

     I'm keeping up with my aloe/calendula/aquaphor and/or coconut oil!

    As for bras, I have 2 really nice stretchy ones I got at Kohl's. No underwire. If I start getting reddish, I'll switch to camisoles... I've stil been working out, so I use my jog bras but I get out of them as soon as possible.

    I can't remember who said that my case was their greatest fear (cancer in the other breast.) It wasn't mine. Mine is mets.

    Hang in there everyone! You are all doing so great.

  • akinto
    akinto Member Posts: 97
    edited June 2012

    For got my calendula and Cicaplast at home yesterday. Used lubriderm all day at the office. Arrived home to find the breast was bright red. :-(

     Going to use the good stuff from now on, even if I have to go home before going to the office.

    Last regular treatment this AM. Hurrah! On July 9 I start the boosts.

  • Riverangel
    Riverangel Member Posts: 19
    edited June 2012

    I started my rads last Wednesday, today was number 6. I have to say, this is harder than I thought it would be....i am experiencing weird anxiety, just feel like i am a bundle of nerves. My skin is starting to pink up, is super hot amd my incisions from the lumpectomy and sentinel node biopsy are killing me. My breast is swelling so it feels heavy and uncomfortable. I am using really good aloe that i keep refrigerated and that is helping a lot to keep it cool. I am also using Radx M, which my RO recommended, and that is keeping my skin moist...really like it There is another lotion Radx R that he told me to get if and when skin breaks down it has lidcaine in it to help with pain. Saw my RO today and he said it is pinking up early, but he said he figured I might because I am very fair and I have very small breasts, he said the incisions are still healing a bit and they are getting hit directly, he recommended massaging them with the cream and continuing to do arm exercises.



    I also am getting really dull and nagging headaches every day. I told my RO about it today and he said it shouldn't be from the rads, he thinks it's anxiety and nerves I am feeling. I guess it could be. I I do know I hang on rather tight to the handles and I probably am gritting my teeth, maybe that's it. He prefers I see my primary care physician to get something for anxiety since she will take care of me long term, but she's on vacation, so have to wait a week. Does anyone else have headaches?



    Jenn...so sorry to hear of your experience...good job standing up to them. I felt like I could feel burning the first couple too...like pins and needles sort of. I thought it was just me. I have really sensitive breasts normally so all of this is put that sensitivity into hyper mode or I am just super conscious of everything.



    My tech is a nice man, but all I can think of is Homer Simpson....seriously which does make me giggle a bit. He is friendly enough and is pretty chatty if I let him be, but I really can't get Homer Simpson out of my mind, which is kinda rude of me but does make me smile The one really big downside for me is he is a huge Billy Joel fan since that is the CD playing everyday, not that I have anything against Billy Joel, but hearing Uptown Girl every morning is getting a little old. Of course, then I think of Christie Brinkley....by the time I'm done I should have a wole new story line for the Simpsons...Homer and Christie dancing or something of the sort.....geez maybe I do need anxiety meds, cuz I'm starting sound a little nuts!



    It is helpful being able to share with you all, I do feel a little more relaxed! Hope everyone has a peaceful rest of the day!

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited June 2012

    Anybody else have part of your esophagus/throat being hit?



    When I'm standing it doesnt look like the fields would get it. But right after the first two sessions, on my way back to the car I noticed my throat feeling scratchy and dry at one spot on that side. This morning I laid down like my position on the table and my husband has confirmed that my field includes that exact spot when I'm lying down and everything is placed differently (no downward gravity).



    My throat is definitely uncomfortable in that spot today and I've only had 2 sessions!



    Everyone was really good about telling me all the expected side effects but no-one mentioned this...



    Jenn

  • MiniMacsMom
    MiniMacsMom Member Posts: 595
    edited June 2012

    Yup, got the same problem Jenn, it seemed worse last week (the first week) and better since the weekend break.  I can still feel it, but only when I think about it now.  I am fairly pale, but I tan well, so you can see from the brown tan square I have now it hits the lower throat of my corner.  Not really much I have found to do about it.  A great excuse for icecream though!

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited June 2012

    Nice to know I'm not the only one... NO ice-cream for me, I'm trying to get off this weight and have been on the treadmill each day. Have lost a couple of kilos in the past couple of weeks :-)



    Am being very careful to eat small but highly nutricious meals and I have a drawer full of mini protein bars and I grab one on my way to rads each afternoon and eat it after rads on my way back to the car.



    No idea how long I will be able to keep up the exercise before the fatigue hits again (maybe it won't - haha) but it has been so nice to get some energy back between chemo and rads...



    Jenn

  • Cindyl
    Cindyl Member Posts: 1,194
    edited June 2012

    They tell me that if you keep up the exercise you'll avoid the worst of the rads fatigue, but I just didn't have the umph.

  • achubb
    achubb Member Posts: 12
    edited June 2012

    Hi all, I start radiation tomorrow and am no where as educated as all of you so I will be here alot for training and support :) Can radiation make you lose your hair? No biggie, just want to be ready.

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited June 2012

    In your underarm area yes. But not on your head. You only lose hair in the area being radiated :-)



    Jenn

  • Cindyl
    Cindyl Member Posts: 1,194
    edited June 2012

    Only if they radiate your head, I believe.  Although my hair is so dry and brittle now.  I need to go get it trimmed and conditioned.

    I understand some people lose the hair in their armpits and it never grows back...

    *snap*

  • Iniah
    Iniah Member Posts: 70
    edited June 2012

    Hi Riverangel

    I have the exact same cancer as you, and did my 7th rad today. I have anxiety in my medical history and I can tell you that taking 1/4 Xanax, which in my case equals 0.125mg (which is less than the smallest dose) makes a HUGE difference in how your experience goes. I too clutch the handles and feel like I am going to have a panic attach right there. It is horrible. Today I did not take the mini dose and it was so hard. Everybody is super nice at the hospital where I go, but when they all leave the room, it is just you an in my case, the Trilogy machine.

    I have been nauseous 3-4 hours. after treatment almost every day. It goes away after a couple hours. Is anyone else experiencing this??  Fatigue is starting to settle in as well. No redness yet, I do feel the breast getting warm during treatment and it stays warm all the time. Incision gets quite red (new skin), no real pain yet.

    Someone told me to think of the fact that without God's help these fancy external beam radiation machines coud not have been invented by people. I now try to look at the big round "beamer" that circles around me as God's arm cradling me, giving me the best He can.  Maybe it will help you, it seems to help me too. I hope you will be able to get on some Xanax or Lorazepam (Ativan) to help you get through. I have been on Xanax for over 10 years, I never take more than I am supposed to, and I am at a mini dose only. It works as well today as it did 10 years ago.

    Breast cancer has been a journey that, I feel, we take alone within us, but are surrounded by angels showing up in many forms. Just the people on this board are angels, because we have each other and are here for each other. I am thankful for everyone on this forum, for their honesty and together, we can get through this.

    Iniah 

  • MiniMacsMom
    MiniMacsMom Member Posts: 595
    edited June 2012

    The only exercise I get is chasing my 2 year old at the park when we can handle being out in the 100 degree heat!  THats the only thing MDA doesn't have is an exercise facility.  I think that would be a perk! 

     I get queasy but its mostly when I wake up, like being preggers but I am definately not.  MDA make sure ;)

     I have problems with protein bars since most have a lot of soy in them.  :(

  • Iniah
    Iniah Member Posts: 70
    edited June 2012

    I went to Sears and bought two seamless exercise bras made from a very soft Microfiber. They extend at least 4 inches below the breasts and are very comfy and not tight. ( I got a larger size). They have wide straps and feel really good. They were with all the other exercise bras.

    Hope this helps, in case anyone is looking for bras during rads.

    Hang in there! 

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited June 2012

    Today was 12 of 30 for me.  Honestly, I'm beginning to wonder if I'm even getting radiation.  My breast and surrounding area looks completely normal - no pink or red, no tenderness, nothing.  I've only been using Aloe - that's all my RO wants me to use.  In general I have very little fatigue, but I do have to take a short nap after spending alot of time working my body hard (ran today, then cleaned the garage, then napped).  I'm only getting radiation from two angles, and it's possible I'm not getting much actual "radiation" (I never asked for the dose, but I will next week).  My RO says everyone is different and there's no way of knowing what SEs anyone will experience. 

    Oh, and I now have a student helping my two daily techs.  She's very young - early 20's, I'd guess - and she was trying to line me up today without touching my breast.  It was a little comical - I think she was afraid to touch my boob.  Plus, she was snapping her gum repeatedly - I wanted to reach out and slap her just a little, it was annoying.  I feel bad; she's trying to learn and I'm grumpy, poor thing.

  • Denise-G
    Denise-G Member Posts: 1,777
    edited June 2012

    Minimacsmom - here's a list of protein bars without soy.  I was just researching it as I cannot have soy, gluten or dairy! 

    http://www.nutritionexpress.com/bars/by+bar+type/no+soy+protein/

  • Januaryice
    Januaryice Member Posts: 120
    edited June 2012

    Hi all! Just finishing up chemo one more Taxol on the 5th of July. I have two questions maybe someone can answer.



    How long between chemo and rads did you all have to wait?



    Do they use your port at all during rads or id it taken out right after chemo?



    Thanks for any info. I wish I was as far along as you all are and I'm hoping this phase will be much easier.



    Best wishes to all you special ladies.

  • MiniMacsMom
    MiniMacsMom Member Posts: 595
    edited June 2012

    Denise: GREAT SITE!

    With my rads I have  never needed a blood draw or access.  I had my port taken out at my revision surgery :)

    I waited about 6 weeks... 3 weeks after last dose of chemo for my surgery and 3 weeks from surgery to rads start :)  Hope that help!

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited June 2012

    Januaryice:  My final chemo was March 24 and my first radiation was June 12 - so that's like 3 weeks?  They offered to start rads the week before that, but when I mentioned I was still really tired from chemo (I had dose-dense Taxol and a painful reaction) they asked me to wait another week.

    They have never used my port during radiation, and while my MO said they like to keep the port in for a year post-chemo  "in case they need it" I had it removed last Thursday - four weeks after my final chemo.  I don't need it, and if I have a recurrence (and that's a big IF!) I'll have it replaced at that point.

    For me, rads has been so incredibly much easier than chemo - but I know that's not the case for everyone.  I must admit that the time goes by so quickly it's shocking.  I'll be half-way done on Monday, and I swear it feels like I just started.  So much different than five months of chemo.

    Good luck as you finish your chemo and start radiation - I hope all goes smoothly for you!

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited June 2012

    Oh, another thing - I had my port removed on Thursday afternoon after my morning radiation, and went back to radiation as usual the next day.  My BS removed my port using local anesthetic and it was an absolute breeze.  The only SE was it took me a few extra seconds to raise my right arm above my head to grab the radiation bar, but just because I was worried about my incision.  So no need to take any time off (for me) from rads after port removal.

  • Riverangel
    Riverangel Member Posts: 19
    edited June 2012

    Iniah...Thank you! That's a good way of looking at it and I will try that tomorrow...that seems comforting! My best friend gave some good advice to me today also....she is an avid runner and a spontaneous marathon runner...she said approach the rads as she does marathons....she doesn't start counting the amount of miles until it hits single digits....so she said stop counting until there are 9 left, then it's game over from that point...I loved that too....made sense to me. I hope I am able to get something too...until then going to listen to others advice and guidance! We are on the same path and all of our dates are very close to one another....do you have to do hormone therapy too? I have started that also so that could be some of the anxiety too....kinda forgot about side effects of that since the rads started.

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited June 2012

    I will start Tamoxifen after rads. My MO said she doesn't like to start during rads - that way the SEs don't get confused...



    I still have my port as I'm getting 3 weekly Herceptin until next March. I will have 2 of those doses during rads and so it will have to be accessed (and they should be flushed every 3 weeks anyway?). I didn't think about it yesterday before I saw my RO, but my port tubing must be in the rads field (not the actual port though). Now I am wondering if the rads are going to melt the tubing or anything :-/



    I generally avoid soy products now but I'm not panicking about the soy in the protein bars because there's not much in the ones I got and the research is still so up in the air about soy being bad or good.



    Jenn

  • kyliet
    kyliet Member Posts: 687
    edited June 2012

    I am having headaches since starting rads, constant but not too bad. RO said it is not a side effect but seems too co-incidental.

    The onc nurse warned me I may get a sore throat and have trouble swallowing, she said to eat soft foods if it gets too bad.

    The noise when the door shuts before radio sounds just like my microwave. This scares me, I feel like I would like my head covered with some sort of shield..

    I wish I had the energy for exercise but after 5 hours travel a day for rads I am exhausted. 

  • Januaryice
    Januaryice Member Posts: 120
    edited June 2012

    MinMacsMom and NancyHB - thank you for all the info. My appointment with the RO is on the 17th of July but as you can see I'm ready to move on.



    NancyHB - how long did or are you still having any lingering SE's from your last Taxol? A week out from my 3rd tx and still have some numbing of the toes and feet. Also some leg pains. Needless to say I'm worried the last one will be worst!



    Hope everyone has a great day!!

  • Kitchenella
    Kitchenella Member Posts: 279
    edited June 2012
    Had my first Radiation appointment today. Doctor was nice. Receptionist was nice. Bus rides were long but tolerable. Appointment was very quick. He just got to know me and mapped out what they were going to radiate and probable side effects. Next week I go for 'staging'. Actual treatments will be 5 days a week for 6.5 weeks. I start in 3.5 weeks. Yeah I get a little break! Baruch Hashem. Thank you G-d.

    Peggy

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited June 2012

    Januaryice:  I had mid-range (?) neuropathy with Taxol.  Lost the feeling in my thumb and first two fingers, was starting to lose the feeling in my ring finger.  Kept dropping things, had trouble holding a pen to write, even typing was a disaster (I couldn't feel the computer keys).  My feet were the worst - walking was difficult, and going barefoot was too painful.  Now, five weeks PFC my symptoms are all but gone.  Very minor numbness at the tip of my thumb/fingers, and I don't even notice anything in my feet unless I'm paying attention.  I was so worried about long-term lasting neuropathy, and that doesn't seem to the be case for me.

    The pain was gone completely about a week ago, however, I started taking Tamoxifen three weeks ago, so I don't know if what I'm feeling now is a SE of Tami, or lingering Taxol - or even rads.  *sigh*  But I can tell you that today, I have no bone pain from Taxol, that I *do* know.  I have joint tightness/stiffness, but I am attributing that to Tamoxifen.  Strangely enough, when I run or do yoga, all those SEs seem to disappear...

  • janiemomof2
    janiemomof2 Member Posts: 52
    edited June 2012

    Hi all,

    Had tx 4 (of 15) today. I'm so tired. I wonder if it is just residual from chemo which ended 5/31, I just want my "normal" hellcat energy back :p

    Thursdays are the day the RO sees his pts that are undergoing tx so I was able to ask him all my questions. Some of which I think other folks on this thread are talking about. First, I've had headaches and a sore throat since starting rads on Monday. He says they are unrelated but I'm not convinced. Second, I asked about how much heart and lung involvement I'm dealing with since I'm left sided bc. Looks like 13% of my lung is getting hit with about 1/2 the total strength of the beam and 3% of my heart is getting even less strength of the beam. While it isn't perfect he assured me that I'm more likely to get coronary heart disease from a poor diet than from the minimal rads that are effecting the heart. As for the lung, he said radiation related pneumonia will occur within 6 months of tx if someone is going to have an ill effect on their lung from rads.

    He spent about 45 minutes with me and I felt like all my questions were answered. All in all, I just want to be done. I'm so over this bc taking up so much of my mental and physical energy!!!!!

  • truebff
    truebff Member Posts: 642
    edited June 2012

    Just in case this is helpful, you don't have to have tattoos. I asked not to be tattooed and was given stickers that last for several weeks and were replaced. Some people find it offensive to be tattooed or tattooed for radiation.

  • Riverangel
    Riverangel Member Posts: 19
    edited June 2012

    Today was much better, I took deep breaths and thought about being hugged like Iniah suggested and it did help. I still was hanging on to that peg super hard, but it did seem better...now if we could get a new CD, Billy Joel is not helping me! But it was better.



    I still am concerned about the headaches, but it could be the aromasin, since am doing that at the same time. Will talk to my MO and see if I can stop it and start over when Rads are done.



    My skin is starting to hurt, especially my nipple and boy is that breast hot! My tech..Homer, suggested I get the Radx R with the ladicaine, it's a bit pricey at $24 for about 2 oz bottle, but wow it sure helped immediately....cooled right down and the pain went away. I strongly recommend it.



    Hope everyone has had a peaceful day!

  • MiniMacsMom
    MiniMacsMom Member Posts: 595
    edited June 2012

    They should be able to change the music, my first set of techs always asked :)

  • achubb
    achubb Member Posts: 12
    edited June 2012

    that is wonderful for you!! That gives me alot of hope. Its amazing how stressed out I can make myself. I am trying to excerise everyday, at least walk 30 minutes and maybe next week I will through in some yoga. 32 to go :)

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