Eeek! I'm still anemic!

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sweetbean
sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
edited June 2014 in Alternative Medicine

From what I have read, supplementing with iron is really dangerous for  cancer patients.  Iron is very pro-cancer (I forget why.)  I don't want to eat red meat and I'm already eating my weight in green leafy vegetables.  Suggestions for boosting my iron levels?

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  • itsjustme10
    itsjustme10 Member Posts: 796
    edited June 2012

    The American Red Cross had a whole list of different types of foods...maybe there's something you can add to your diet?  Surprisingly (at least to me), a whole bunch of seafood is rich in iron.

    http://www.redcrossblood.org/learn-about-blood/health-and-wellness/iron-rich-foods

    Hope this helps. :)

  • AlaskaAngel
    AlaskaAngel Member Posts: 1,836
    edited June 2012

    Sweetbean,

    I noticed that my Lindt & Sprungli's 90% dark chocolate says it provides 15% iron....

    I'm not sure how much you'd have to consume... but I don't think that would be TOO much of a problem....

  • camillegal
    camillegal Member Posts: 16,882
    edited June 2012

    Red wine sounds good--it was for me anyway.

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited June 2012

    Maybe some seaweed? We eat the normal Nori at my house, which just happens to be the type our supermarket sells, but I think there are other types that are higher in iron. Even if you don't particularly like the taste, it's easy to disguise it in a salad or something.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2012

    Yikes, I didn't know that iron supplementation was such bad news. Thanks for the heads up.



    I barely eat red met either and during chemo, when I did eat red meat on doc's orders, I did not find it to help my red blood cells much anyway.



    How about eggs? I think they have a decent amount and some easy to use protein besides.

  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited June 2012

    Sweetbean, if you want to stay away from red meat but you're OK with poultry, then chicken liver would be a good idea.

    All the best.

    Leah

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited June 2012

    Leah,

    Love your comment. My younger dd just decided she liked chicken livers sautéed with lots of onions. I'm going to teach her to make chopped liver. She has Celiac's disease and lots of digestive issues so I'm glad she likes the liver. Plus, I'm turning her into a proper Yiddishe maydele! Caryn

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited June 2012

    The thing is, I'm not certain how much supplementation is bad.  It's probably that taking a multi-vitamin is fine, but taking an extra iron pill is not good.

  • candygurl
    candygurl Member Posts: 130
    edited June 2012

    Polyphenols in beverages like chamomile tea and coffee, and beverages with tannins such as red wine interfere with iron absorption.  Generally, I avoid them all as much as possible. And phosphates in milk, and the phytates in refined grains also block iron absorption.

    It ain't easy being mostly vegan. Plant based foods like beans and leafy green vegetables have plenty of non-heme iron, but it can only be absorbed when consumed with foods that contain vitamin c, so take that into consideration when you're preparing salads.  

    I don't eat much red meat nor do I take iron supplements or a multi-vitamin.  But sometimes,   especially during that-time-of-month, I take one or two iron supplements or eat organic liver if my energy level is noticeably low.  Maybe you don't have to take iron supplements every single day and perhaps try having some organic liver every now and then.  Women should get 18 milligrams of iron each day. Elevated iron levels is toxic.

      

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2012

    Caryn, the yiddische maydelen made me giggle. I once worked for a really lovely guy who had a Jewish deli restaurant. Because I am neither Jewish nor American, he took me for an explanatory tour of the food. I was most confused when he proudly declared that it was Jewish food. It just looked like a really good Danish lunch table to me ;) Then later he would crack up, because he would sit in the back and speak Yiddish with one of the cooks. Sometimes I would catch what they were talking about, and he would laugh that the only person whoncould understand Yiddish was the maydelen who wasn't even Jewish.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    Anybody else old enough to remember the Adele Davis books we read about nutrition?  Brewers Yeast?

    I use Vitamin  Methyl-B12.  Important to check what KIND of anemia - to determine if it's an absorption problem too.  I haven't eaten meat in years, and notice my blood levels DO drop if I'm not supplementing with the Methyl-B12.  I have it in drops, and also these little tablets that go under the tongue.

    Still think Adele Davis had it right - but can't face brewer's yeast - tho lovely woman at my local health food co-op swears they have some better tasting kind now.  Harrummph...she's too young to knowWink

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited June 2012

    Brewer's Yeast!  Genius!  I will toss that in my morning smoothie and never notice it. 

    Zuvart, I read about the ceaffeine interfering.  can't decide if I should give up my one iced coffee per day.  I gave up caffeine during chemo and stayed off of it during Herceptin, but started drinking it again in late May.  Hmmmm...what to do, what to do?  

    I have a multi vitamin that has 6mcg of iron.  I'll start with that and the Brewer's yeast and see how I'm doing.  I'm going to ask my Doc to order a bunch of bloodwork in a month, so I'll add that in.

  • candygurl
    candygurl Member Posts: 130
    edited June 2012

    I drink Starbuck's ice chai tea lattes or overpriced smoothies sometimes as treat.  As long as you are not having your ice coffee with your multivitamin, you should probably be fine. (That's 2 hrs or more apart.)

    If you're using the ice coffee as an energy boost, that could be a sign that your iron level is too low and you need to cut back on the caffeine.  I keep gogi berries at my desk and snack on them throughout the day.  They have lots of iron, vitamin c as well as alkaline healing and cleansing minerals.  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    sweetbean,

    let us know if the by helps - and how it tastes.  Gads, I remember taking it when I was a kid, YUCK!  And cold liver oil, oh, my, I was quite old b4 I realized why the orange juice served in my house tasted so AWFUL - and so different from the stuff I drank when I visited friend's houses...

    can't face by myself, yet, unless it does now come without the "old" taste...good luck sb!

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited June 2012

    I just bought it and mixed it with water.  And drank it really, really fast.  It was not delicious, but it wasn't terrible, either.  I will try adding it to my morning smoothie - I bet I won't taste it.  My morning smoothie is kale, watercress, spinach, blueberries, strawberries, chia seed, flax seed, 1 scoop of vegan protein mix, 1 scoop of Amazing Grass ORAC blend, bee pollen, and now brewer's yeast.

    I have to say, I feel better already, having added in the multi.  I'm naturally high-energy, but I have definitely been feeling a little draggy.  This was probably the reason.  Maybe I can switch to iced decaf!

  • geewhiz
    geewhiz Member Posts: 1,439
    edited June 2012

    SUNFLOWERS is right...check what type of anemia. I am vegan, and as such stay on the low end in blood tests. But I have pernicious anemia, which means I need B vitamins. When I supplement with a sublingual B12, my anemia propmptly straightens out.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    also, pernicious anemia can include something re: "intrinsic factor" - not sure which one, but know just getting b-12 isn't enough if your body can't "process" it.

    Friend has been getting b-12 injections from her doctor for 6 months, not really helping her.

    What "brand" of brewer's yeast has the least awful taste?  Tho' I'm pretty happy with my methyl B-12 tablets.

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited June 2012

    i love the taste of brewer's yeast and am a big fan of molasses for all it's nutrientsm.  My iron levels have always been a bit low and i used to take a tsp. of molasses for about a week  before giving blood... also while pregnant. molasses is pretty delicious in some type of hot milk or water.

    http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/sweets/5573/2

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited June 2012

    Oooooh, I didn't know this about molasses!  Thanks, apple!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited June 2012

    sweetbean - if you switch to decaf in your iced coffee try to find one that is a swiss water process decaf - it is the "cleanest" decaffeinating process. Starbucks used to have one - don't know if they still do.

  • steelrose
    steelrose Member Posts: 3,798
    edited June 2012

    Hi Sweetbean...



    I had no idea about the iron supplement being cancer friendly! My oncologist has me on a high dose of iron... I will ask her about it at my next appointment! Think I'll cut back and try some of the suggestions in this thread. Thank you and hope your anemia improves...



    Rose.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited June 2012

    Yes, on the swiss water processed - those chemicals in regular decaf are no good!

    Steelrose, if you are anemic, I'm sure extra iron is fine.   Right now, I'm taking a multi with iron, plus eating 1 hard boiled egg per day, plus drinking 2Tbsp of brewer's yeast  dissolved in water.  Plus eating my weight in spinach and other green veggie.  I also eat wild salmon a few times a week.  I have a yummy salmon salad recipe that I make.  I'm going to go post in on my Anti-Cancer: Recipes! thread.

     Since making these changes, my energy is definitely better!

  • steelrose
    steelrose Member Posts: 3,798
    edited June 2012

    The salmon salad recipe sounds good! I'm a big spinach eater too. Will check the recipe thread. Thanks, as always...



    xoxo

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