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  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited June 2012

    mybee Laughing

    At least I took off the email notifications for this thread....

    And at the risk of sounding condescending here, I just wanted to say I'm so proud of everyone here (myself included) for owning up to our feelings about all this. It's a huge thing, ya know. Good for us! 

  • mammalou
    mammalou Member Posts: 823
    edited June 2012

    I've been reading along and relating to all of you. I think I may be addicted to BCO since I feel I have to sneak on here and hide it from my family most of the time! Lol

  • mybee333
    mybee333 Member Posts: 1,189
    edited June 2012

    Orangemat - I guess you could say it is a start..........it's all baby steps.  Two steps forward and one step back.......like most of life!!

  • Ginger48
    Ginger48 Member Posts: 1,978
    edited June 2012

    Kate- I have been doing the same thing; thinning out my favorite topics. I read what still speaks to me.

    I take longer breaks between coming on. I know the time will come where I don't need to be on here anymore but for now I am so grateful that BCO exists and for all of you who so generously share feelings and experiences.

  • jittersmom
    jittersmom Member Posts: 165
    edited June 2012

        I come on but don't always write. I feel the same that this is a place where everyone gets what I am going through, I think my family and Friends are just sick of hearing about BC. For me it was such a life changing experience to go through I feel the need to talk about it..an to be honest some of the crap people "talk' about is boring and meaningless and mundane to me now!

        I still have problems sleeping combination anixiety or joint pain. I don't feel the same so getting back to "normal" is hard when you don't know what normal is anymore. I was out of work and job searching before I got diagnosed, so I am really floating in a sea of nothing lol

    thanks for listening everyone

  • crystalphm
    crystalphm Member Posts: 1,138
    edited June 2012

    Jittersmom, I had trouble sleeping too. I had a double mastectomy and learned eventually to hug a pillow as I am a side sleeper.

    Also just to be kind to myself. If I can't fall to sleep, I get up, read, watch tv, do some work and finally fall to sleep.

    I do think it is so much harder when our job is disrupted. I too left my one job right before all of this happened (and never got a card from them, but that is another story). Bottom line is I don't see how I could teach special-needs preschool again, too much arm work and even lifting. Not to mention controlling temper tantrums, how would that even be possible? If anyone has answers, I would want to hear.  I am not even sure I could get my brain-set into that preschool place again.

    My new job, artist, is slow because of the economy, but I am starting to see volunteering could be a good thing for me, even 4 hours a week. It keeps me from floating, as you said.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2012

    jittersmom- I had been job hunting when dx, too, so "floating in a sea of nothing" is a great description.  I know I use BCO not just for support but also to fill that void.  It's my therapy and my coffee klatch.  Going through BC can be isolating in itself but not working makes it even more so.  I think this place staves off that loneliness and helps me feel connected with someone and something.

    Does anyone watch "The Conversation with Amanda de Cadenet" on Lifetime?  She had Christina Applegate on who was talking about her BC and MX.  Two things stood out to me.  She is the first one I've ever heard that said despite great recon it's just not the same and won't ever be.  She said she has a real disconnect with that part of her body.  The other thing that stood out to me was her need to somehow become involved with helping other women going through BC.  She has started a foundation which helps underprivelaged women receive necessary medical care.  I don't know but I think that's somehow Christina's BCO.  Most of us aren't in a position to start our own foundation but are trying to help other women in our own way and are helping ourselves in the process.  I think Christina is also helping herself through her foundation.  I don't think we ever need to apologize for feeling the need to come here, talk about and talk about it some more.  I'll keep doing it as long as it feels healthy and cathartic for me for me to read and post.

  • LaurenM730
    LaurenM730 Member Posts: 366
    edited June 2012

    I couldn't stay away for too long. I've been keeping myself busy with family and friends, and trying to enjoy life and put aside the BC for a while. It works, at times. But as we've all said, this place is very welcoming and helpful, but also a constant reminder of the BC. I can't deal with it every day. It just gets me down and makes me feel like I'm not the same person I was since my dx.



    Tomorrow I'm having some of my daughters friends over for an endof the year celebration. Then, I'll just be "Ali's mom" and no one else. I won't have to talk about it, or even think about it. It's just great being around 6 year olds...



    Hugs to everyone!

  • jittersmom
    jittersmom Member Posts: 165
    edited June 2012
    crystalphm..... I was a preschool teacher/director as well. I know I can't do that anymore with all the lifting running jumping etc.Not too sure what is next for me once I get this behind me!
  • 1openheart
    1openheart Member Posts: 765
    edited June 2012

    Ali's mom....have a fun, great day tomorrow!  Six year olds are so great.   I love that age.

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited June 2012

    Hi everyone, 

    Orangemat, thanks for starting this thread, and for your excellent contributions. The fact that so many are posting here, is a sure sign that there is a huge need for it.

    This truly is a life-changing experience. You can never be the same afterwards. Like the rest of you, I sometimes feel such a fake when I smile and act as if everything is okay, while inside there is still such turmoil going on. It is almost like I am two different people! Yes, we are past treatment and yes, we are stronger and living our lives again as best as we can. Is there a choice? What the hell else can we do? Nobody outside this circle knows what it feels like to be so confronted with your own mortality, or how hard you try to keep away from that black dog that will be on your trail for the rest of your life. The doctors tell you you are fine now, but there is always that little voice that speaks up, mainly at night when you're trying to sleep: Will I get it again? Where will I get it? When will I get it? In what form will it come back? Etc. etc. This must be almost impossible to understand if you're not in this position, so I am always trying to put myself into the shoes of the people confronted by my illness, and to not judge them too harshly. It is nobody's fault that I got cancer.

    I hope that one day I will reach a point where I will not feel that weird compulsion to talk about it any more. I hope that as time goes by, it will fade from my mind, and not take up so much space and energy. Lastly I hope to get so far ahead of that black dog that he is not even a speck in the distance any more . . .

  • crystalphm
    crystalphm Member Posts: 1,138
    edited June 2012

    Kate33, you expressed yourself so well, this *is* my social network. I did go out with friends today, I mentioned I ordered silicon breast for my friend's daughter's wedding, but they are not going to come in on time. And wow, you could have heard a pin drop. So I changed the subject. They don't "get it"...all of you do.

     It is no one's fault, not mine, not my face to face friends,  but I need all of you right now to heal myself.

    And add to it other life transitions like losing a job....having "cancer" in the back of our minds. Actually this might be pretty outspoken to say but we really "should" be different. We are survivors of cancer. This makes us different, not to continue being where we left off before.

    So Jittersmom, what do we do now? I am 56, in this economy I can't see myself getting a job. and I worry.

    Liefie, You are right, we think differently. I found a bump on my back a few days ago...and I immediately thought it was skin cancer. The next day it turned black, so I diagnosed myself with melanoma, aggressive because it was twice the size. I knew mentally I could handle seeing a doctor the next day, so I made an appointment (3 days passed now) and it was a tick! Before cancer, I would have never rushed to diagnose myself with skin cancer so quick!

  • 1openheart
    1openheart Member Posts: 765
    edited June 2012

    Welcome liefie.  I totally relate to what you said in your posts.

    crystalphm...It is almost like we also had a mutation in our brain's isn't it?  The way we see the world has changed forever....sometimes it is in a good way, like having more appreciation and gratitude for the little things.  And sometimes it is in a more negative way, like when we get nervous about any little bump or lump. 

  • jittersmom
    jittersmom Member Posts: 165
    edited June 2012

    crytalphm...good question I am 56 as well almost 57 too tired to start over not sure what i will do..I also think every ache and pain is cancer...even though i can't believe anything survived that chemo and rads!lol........

  • Ginger48
    Ginger48 Member Posts: 1,978
    edited June 2012

    crytalphm and jittersmom- I am also a teacher in a preschool which includes children with special needs. I have been back at work for 6 months and there are definitely things that are harder now than before cancer. But I missed it so much when I was out on leave and am so happy to be back there now. I would miss it too much to leave. I hope you find a job that makes you happy; that is what is most important.

  • SuzyBlue
    SuzyBlue Member Posts: 125
    edited June 2012

    Funny enough I had been doing voluntary work for the Cancer Society, going into the Acute ward at the hospital and spending time with the patients and their support people, before my dx at Christmas. I had cervical cancer when I was 20 and thought cancer was an area I could have empathy for, and do something useful with my time. I never imagined I would end up with breast cancer 29 years later, felt I had had my brush with mortality and the Big C. How wrong was I. One of the things I was saddest about was having to stop going in to the hospital as a volunteer as I loved what I was doing and think I was good at engaging the people there.



    I had no choice but to stop, they don't allow you to continue or indeed to work around cancer patients within two years of having it yourself or having someone close in your life with it. I decided that I was going to keep in touch with the volunteer manager though and in fact I have now gone back to working in the Cancer Society main office helping her in administration. Now she has told me they are going to make an exception for me and I can go back on the wards at the end of July. Yay. Now I really do think I have some good solid experience and understanding under my belt!



    It does make me feel good to give back in this way, makes something come out of a horrible situation and allows my brain to switch off from my own predicament and focus on something else for a while.



    Anyone know the odds for getting a third type of cancer in one lifetime??!



  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited June 2012

    SuzyBlue, I don't know the answer to your intriguing last question, but I've often been wondering about my odds. Was diagnosed with two different cancers simultaneously last December, endometrial as well as breast cancer. My obgyn said that he had never seen this in his 20 years of practise, and other specialists said the same. As if that was not enough, I bled internally overnight after the first surgery, the hysterectomy, losing half the blood in my body. I was sent home like that, because nobody in the hospital had picked it up, even though I was so pale, weak, and fainted when I tried to get up. Long story short, at home my husband, a fam. physician, immediately saw what was going on, had a CBC done and my HB came back at 59 - normal is 120. Was rushed back to hospital by ambulance for three blood transfusions. I could have died then, but here I still am. Guess what I'm trying to say is that I have had my fair share already, don't you think? LOL. Only joking. Here are many people on this forum who have endured much more than me, and in this business there are simply no guarrantees. We just have to forge ahead and make the best of it.

  • jittersmom
    jittersmom Member Posts: 165
    edited June 2012

    So I finally broke down and made an appointment with my primary for tomorrow for my leg pain. My MO said if my pain continued see my primary. I made the appointment but it took all I could do, my leg is in pain but the thought of going to the Dr and starting another process was unnerving. I actually got teary eyes and emotional, more so than during my initial cancer treatment. i guess I just feel overwhelmed and frustrated at not getting back to normal. maybe it is the tamoxifen..who knows I was just so surprised at my emotions. Anybody else expierence this?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2012

    jittersmom- I think every medical appointment, test and procedure just dredges it all up again.  I do believe most of us are suffering from some mild (or severe in some cases) PTSD and these events trigger a flashback in some ways.  Then there's the frustration of feeling like your life is centered around medical issues once more.  And maybe even anger at the expense of it all.  So, yes, been there and done that.  Since MX I've also dealt with fibroids, hypothyroidism and now LE.  (When did I get so old and decrepit?!?!)  Each time I found myself processing some old emotions again.  I hope everything turns out o.k. for you with the leg pain like my foot pain did.  (((hugs)))

  • crystalphm
    crystalphm Member Posts: 1,138
    edited June 2012

    JittersMom, Kate expressed everything exactly as I would. I was at my medical doctor yesterday with some "other" issues...and anxiety and fear. And he expressed it all so well. We are taught to expect to see a horse, not a zebra. but once a zebra has walked into our door (cancer) no matter what the medical issue, we relive that zebra...or look for the very worst it could be.

    I agree, i have some form of PTSD.

     Push past the anxiety and get your leg checked out. I had leg pain also, and it turned out to be a cramping sort of thing (in my calf), the lack of hormones affected my electrolytes...I added more to my diet and am fine. There could be a VERY easy answer for your leg pain. The doctor took one look at it, knew it wasn't a blood clot but I had to have a doppler anyway...and then diet changes solved the problem. More nuts, melons, potatoes...

    Kate, you are not falling apart, you are falling together! Ok, I keep telling myself this anyway.

  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited June 2012

    Oh, I like that! "you're not falling apart, you're falling together." :)

    What I've been doing lately that I find is helping me move past this last year is doing the things I couldn't do last year, namely the races. A local Fourth of July race is coming up next week which my husband ran and I only spectated. This year I'm running it so that I will now have the memory of having participated in it, as opposed to feeling left out from it. Same with another local race at a small airport later next month (you actually run on the runway!). Every time I do another thing I wasn't able to do last year, I feel one more step past it all, ya know? One more step removed from being so connected to BC. It's helping. :)

  • SuzyBlue
    SuzyBlue Member Posts: 125
    edited June 2012

    It seems we all have moments when the waves crash in and it all becomes too much. Memories, fears, isolation and despondency. I sometimes feels like I am in a bubble, carrying on with life but slightly separate too. There is so much going on in my world at the moment and I want to be fully connected but I'm being held back by my ongoing daily dealing with the aftermath that BC has forced in to my life.



    I like the zebra analogy, it makes sense that we jump to the worst scenario because it has already happened to us. Pretty much everything I was afraid of came into being, apart from actually dying of course, and I guess that seed is now firmly planted in the back of my psyche - cancer is out to get me, it's tried twice now and will it ever give up?!

  • mybee333
    mybee333 Member Posts: 1,189
    edited June 2012

    I like the idea of falling together too.  So much has changed in the past year.  I had a revision of my reconstruction today and feel great relief at knowing I am further down the road. This has been the most painful of the surgeries but my spirits are the best too.  I realize how strong I have become, but it is more than that. I think I have adjusted, to some degree, to the loss of my breast.  I know I have come closer to accepting that yes, I had cancer and it could come back.  Devastating thought but true. 

    Yet, it is in the reevaluating of my priorities and reassessing of relationships where I feel the most has changed. And sometimes that is hard and you get lonely, but mostly is it good, in that it feels solid. It is hard to describe. I believe my reassessing has put me back on track and in some ways a new track.  I don't have to worry about things I can't control.  I don't have to orchestrate and manage so much.  My faith has deepened (that took awhile) and I am able to see people and their character much more easily.  Riff raff has moved on.  I am just excited about the direction my life is taking and truthfully, the outside has not changed nearly as much as the inside.  And it really did start with BC.  So to go back to the original post, I definitely feel life has changed and it is hard to put your finger on it. I am starting to feel greater satisfaction with life.  

    I agree too Orangemat that doing things we love is so very freeing.  And there is no guilt now about taking the time to do those things, although sometimes there is just not enough time in the day.

    One year from my MX June 30th or as I like to say - one year NED!

  • jittersmom
    jittersmom Member Posts: 165
    edited June 2012

    I love "I am not falling apart, I am falling together"...Hopefully my leg issue is something simple.I am anxious to get back to living...walking riding my bike.....I am so tired of treatment, SE's etc.BC has taken too much of my life my time etc

  • 1openheart
    1openheart Member Posts: 765
    edited June 2012

    There is a framed poster in my PT's office that says something similar...."Sometimes things fall apart so that things can fall together."  Funny that it should turn up here too.  I said that to myself, almost like a mantra, many times over the past year.  As awful as this year of the bc has been, I think that I have found more of my wisdom.  I've learned to really listen to my heart and the innate instincts  of my body.

    Congratulations MyBee on your coming 1 yr. anniversary.  I just passed mine on the 15th.  It was a day of reflection and celebration for me.

    Jitters...I too have leg pain.  Lots of cramping and aching.  Could be menopause exacerbated by the tamoxifen...don't know.  My foot is cramping as I write this.  Need to get up and move around some.

    Everyone, have a wonderful day and try to stay cool.  Looks like the hot is over a lot of the nation this week.  It was 108 here yesterday afternoon.  

    I love this thread.  I love the honest openness of our words.  Thank you all. 

  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited June 2012

    Today was another moving-on point: my last day of physical therapy. I could've stopped weeks, even months ago, but I felt the need to keep going there, to be supported in my return to full-fledged physical autonomy. It's like we've talked about here, we want to be past it all, but still keep coming back... but today was finally THE LAST DAY. After a full twelve months of going there twice a week, there was no graduation party or anything momentous like that. My therapist, a total godsend in his understanding of who I am and how I operate, couldn't have been a better match for me. Maybe that's why I felt hesitant to leave? Why is taking responsibility for my own health and welfare so intimidating now? I was strong and healthy before, so there's no reason why I can't continue being that way now....

    And now that I think about it, I couldn't have picked a better week to say I was done: training for the NYC Marathon officially begins this weekend for me. Out with the old, in with the new!

  • crystalphm
    crystalphm Member Posts: 1,138
    edited June 2012

    Orangemat, I think we find taking care of ourselves very intimidating now because we have gone through the "unthinkable". We have never had cancer in our family, this was beyond my wildest nightmares. So now we are left shell-shocked, uneasy.

    I don't expect to ever get "over this". I mean I have no breasts, that is something you just don't smile and "get over". But I do expect to live my life fully with happiness and joy, and hopefully always have a place here with all of you to cope witht he darker moments.

    I am so excited you are running!

  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited June 2012

    crystalphm, I'd like to think that we can also share the brighter moments too. :)

    It's a bittersweet sort of thing for me, because my running and my BC will always be intertwined. I've been active and exercising for over 25 years now, and started dabbling in running about 18 years. But my running didn't start to really take off until the summer of 2010, and I had just ventured into racing on January 1, 2011. I was DX'd barely three months later.

  • mybee333
    mybee333 Member Posts: 1,189
    edited June 2012

    I like your attitude Orangemat!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2012
    orangemat- "Why is taking responsibility for my own health and welfare so intimidating now?"  I find I sometimes struggle with the same thing.  After multiple setbacks (5 surgeries) I find myself second guessing every decision I make wondering if I'm doing the right thing, seeing the right doctor, etc.  In some ways I'm too in tune with my physicality imagining the worse with every ache and pain.  And in other ways I am completely remote from it and disconnected as though I'm observing from afar.  I really admire the way you've channeled your feelings into something so positive as a marathon.  Focusing on the strength of your body rather than the weakness we all sometimes feel.  Wishing you the best with your training and congratulations on "graduating" from PT!

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