Went into Surgery Stage 2, Came Out 3A

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  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited June 2012

    Hi there - sorry you have found yourself here, but you couldn't be amongst a friendlier crowd!!

    My kids were little too when I was Dx, 2 and 4. I had a bit of a nightmare of misdiagnosis, so by the time I got my pathology I was frankly quite happy to be "only" Stage IIIa! It is a lot to get your head around at first, but remember, your cancer doesn't know what stage it is. It just is what it is. And if you check out the Stage 3 five years thread, you will see there are so many women with worse pathology than you, who are doing amazingly well years and years and years later.No reason why the same won't be true for you too!

    One good thing about being Stage 3 is you really have an appreciation of how serious it all is. So you will do everything you can to hit it hard. Ask your Onc about Zometa, also about any trials you may be eligible for (Metformin is one that springs to mind) 

    It is no picnic going through chemo with little ones, but in a way they made me "keep up appearances" if you know what I mean. I wanted their life to be as undisturbed as possible, so was up and dressed every day, I kept up our normal routines, I tried to pick them up from school myself all the way through.  And I think that helped me too. Three years later it hasn't affected them one bit, they are happy and thriving and don't remember me being in treatment at all.

    Anyhow, just wanted to welcome you! Hang in there, you'll get through this.

  • 3kidsmom
    3kidsmom Member Posts: 21
    edited June 2012

    Teeballmom,  The one node my surgeon took was positive.  Initially they thought it was clear.  I wonder how many more positives there are.  I have an appointment thursday to discuss what to do. I have already had chemo so that won't change.  So it's either another surgery or rads on the nodes.  I'm just going to roll with the flow and do what I have to do. 

    My mom had chemo for a year when I was six and I don't even remember her doing anything different. She's amazing (and still alive).  I'm sure your kids will look at you and think the same thing someday.

  • MaxineO
    MaxineO Member Posts: 555
    edited June 2012

    teeballmom: I think a lot of have the same situation. I also went in thinking I was a stage II and came out of surgery a stage III. I had the same feelings as you (my kids were 7 & 8 at diagnosis)...devastated at higher staging. But it really is just a numbers game. You will get the same treatment you would have gotten at stage II. It sounds like your onc is really working hard to find the most effective treatment.



    I cling very much to the words from my RO when she looked at my stats (which are similar to yours). She said "I think you will do well." You have herceptin, tamoxifen, & other hormone therapies in your favor.



    It sounds like you have a great support network. Hold on to them, and they will help you through this. I spent 2011 in treatments, and I can hardly believe now how far away it seems. And remember, we are here for you too!

  • teeballmom
    teeballmom Member Posts: 322
    edited June 2012

    KerryMac:  I've thought about how to keep up the "norm" for our boys and am trying hard not to have BC affect them any more than it has to. 

    3kidsmom:  I wonder also if all 9 nodes had cancer cells, how many more do.  My BS said he only took that which he felt had cancer and left those he checked and didn't feel are cancerous.  Doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling, though.

    MaxineO:  I'm looking forward to 2013 (but part of me is terrified it could be worse than 2012) and hoping it will seem far away, too.

    Thank you all for making me feel like I'm not alone.  I'm so glad I found you all!

  • Rainenz
    Rainenz Member Posts: 93
    edited June 2012

    Hi Teeballmum

    I too went into surgery thinking my staging would be mimimal as it was found on my annual mammagram and nothing had shown up on my previous one only 8 months earlier.  I had gone for minimal surgery lumpectomy and SNB.

    Came out of theatre to find I had had a full auxillary clearance and when my path results came in I didn't have clear margins even though my surgeon had taken extra at the time of surgery and I had 29+ nodes making me a stage 3C.

    Had to go back for a full Mastectomy followed by chemo and rads.

    In saying this you will be happy to know that I am now 6 years out from that and doing well.

    All the best 

    Raine

  • Fitz33
    Fitz33 Member Posts: 243
    edited June 2012

    Teeballmom, my BS's nurse told me the BS fingers were so sensitive she could feel cancer and that is like your BS. I wonder if they're all like that or I know mine has a lot of experience and I'm sure yours does as well.



    Good luck today. It will be a lot to think about. I've been trying to find a list on these boards I think is very helpful about what to take to chemo and what to expect. I can't find it but maybe someone else knows where it is.

  • lostinmo
    lostinmo Member Posts: 922
    edited June 2012

    teeballmom, keep us posted, good luck today!

  • faithfulheart
    faithfulheart Member Posts: 544
    edited June 2012

    I too went into surgury a stage 2 and came out a 3c!! Yeah, its a shocker,  however the one thing I can say about it is that your treatment plan will be much more effective for your stage....................they will be more agressive and thats good!!!  I had surgury first and I am so glad I did, they thought I had 2 nodes max involved and well,  hello......10pos nodes later.............I was so scared and angry for a while.....If I had done chemo first though,  they would have treated me wrong.....So now you will get the right treatment for your stage....That is really what staging is for.........You will be ok, and we are here for you every step of the way!!!!!!!!!!! Prayers for you!!!!!!!!!

    steph 

  • teeballmom
    teeballmom Member Posts: 322
    edited June 2012

    Rainenz:  You give me a lot of hope!  6 Years Out!!!  

    Fitz33:  My BS has 15 years experience with breast cancer surgery (his specialty).  He told us he knows what to look for and feels confident.  The feeling thing is still hard to grasp, but with his experience, I will put my faith in him.

    Lostinmo:  Thank you!  I will keep everyone posted.

    Faithfulheart:  My ONC said yesterday that the benefit to having my surgery first in my case was now she knows how she will treat it to prevent recurrence.  I felt great coming out of my appt with her yesterday and much more positive in my attitude.  I had told her that when I got the IIIa stage on Friday, it felt like I had just been rediagnosed and she understood completely.

    My ONC wants me fully recovered from surgery before I start my treatment (she said my blood work yesterday showed a little anemia), so I am looking at beginning in July.  She definitely wants my port in and my BS (who wants to put it in and my ONC only wants him to put it in) is on vacation and will be back in time to perform the "minor" surgery. 

  • financegirl
    financegirl Member Posts: 114
    edited June 2012

    Big hugs to you.  My staging didn't change per se but it was totally unexpected.  Family history meant I've been so strongly monitored since I was 18 (its now 40 years later) and I've NEVER missed a mammo.  Some years they did more than one mammo on me and I always laughed and told people I was the biopsy queen. 

    Fast forward to April 2011, mammo and ultrasound showed a 1cm tumor and everyone said not to worry, I've been in the system so long, surely, even if it's malignant it's tiny so probably can just remove and maybe some rads and life goes on.  That tiny little tumor, did major major damage.  I'm stage IIIc (over 10 nodes were positive).  The GYN, the surgeon and the onc were beyond shocked at pathology.  They went back and rechecked the last 5 years of mammos and the previous one in 2010 even had an ultrasound done very near where the tumor was and there was nothing on the films then.  SO, yeah, I guess in a way I went in to surgery told everything would probably be fine and came out with a totally revised treatment plan.

    ETA:  BTW, it was  my GYN who found my tumor and it was located pretty deep so must be something to the fact that some doctors are better at locating these things. 

  • fondak
    fondak Member Posts: 376
    edited June 2012

    teeballmom:  It felt almost like I was reading about myself with your post.  From the ultrasound they told me they caught it early, then the mri showed a little more than what they thought so he wouldn't be doing a lumpectomy. 

    They also saw some questionable places in my left breast that they took biopsies of and said they were ok.  From the exam he didn't think the lymph nodes were an issue. (All this started because they showed up on a stress test but he and the heart specialist said 100's of things could cause that.)

    When I came out of surgery the sentinel node was positive and I later learned that 9/9 nodes were positive.  The pet scan after was clean and my margins were clear also.

    You were fortunate to have a double masectomy.  I pleaded for one and my surgeon kept telling me that if anything comes up we will catch it early.  Now,  I was suppose to go back for my 6 month appointment with my BS in Aug but that just got moved up because my gyn felt something that concerned him in my other breast.

    Other than that I feel like I have done very well and all this while homeschooling twins......their senior year of all things...which being seniors helped but it was already going to be a chaotic year for us without the cancer.  To top it all off my husband has been out of the country for all of this except for a few weeks during my 5 months of chemo. 

    I just had a hysterectomy/ooph as a preventative and I'm on the generic for Aromasin.  I will be very glad to get this new area of interest dealt with.  Waiting is the worse part but I think I'm improving there.  You can only do what you can do and ultimately it is in God's hands and for His purpose. 

    By the way, I was the same age as you too.  I wish you the best with your treatment.  If you would ever like, feel free to send me a private message any time. 

    What pupfoster said also is so true.  Being this stage had the benefit of the doctors being hypervigilant and as my nurse practioner told me there's no way to predict who will have a recurrence.  She said some people that they thought wouldn't make it through chemo are still around 20 years later and some that were stage 1 have faced recurrence. 

  • teeballmom
    teeballmom Member Posts: 322
    edited June 2012

    Fondak:  Our stories are extremely similar and you are amazing!  How were you able to homeschool with everything going on?  We have thought about homeschooling our 2 but I'm not sure I could do it right now.  I agree with you.  Ultimately it is in God's hands and I believe He wouldn't give us anything He didn't know we could handle.  I will definitely PM you soon!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2012

    Just to echo what everyone here has said.  MRI & PETs done pre-surgery showed no pos nodes.  Also showed just two 1 & 2 cm tumors.  HELLOOOO??? After BMX had 4  pos nodes, and 6+ tumor.  Good thing for us both was clear margins.  Just still cannot get why the tests they have are so useless.  I didn't feel any "symptoms" either, actually was healthy, ate right, played tennis. I also say family history stats should be higher percentage -- at least more than 10%.  Have 2 aunts, and one aunt had two daughers with BC.  Also reading everybody here, it seems all cancer survival stats need to be "updated" as they are many years "outdated".

  • Torreyanna
    Torreyanna Member Posts: 1
    edited July 2012

    Went in for a normal mammo on Wednesday May 31st and on June 5 had biopsy on right breast.  By June 13 had a bi-lateral mastectomy.  Pathology report classified me as stage 3a with 9 out of 15 positive.  I did everything right with yearly mammos even got a second opinion after my 2011 mammo and was told 100 percet nothing wrong!!!  Well one year later here I am fighting this horrible disease.  I'm so angry, so afraid and can't stop the crying.  I have my port being put in on Monday with a petscan on Wednesday, July 11.  I'm so afraid of the petscan and what it will say.  They say my baselines are are all normal but I can't seem to get anyone to say anything hopeful.  Just bad news, it just keeps on coming.  I'm scheduled for first round of chemo July 16th.  So much in such a short time is so overwhelming.

  • teeballmom
    teeballmom Member Posts: 322
    edited July 2012

    Hi Torreyanna!

    I'm so sorry you're dealing with this and completely understand being afraid of the test results.  Each time I have a test, I'm terrified that they're going to find something else new in some other part of my body.  I had a mammo in October 2011 and like you, was told I was 100% fine, in addition to being told on two thermograms (Nov 2011 and March 2012) that I was fine - just a lot of cysts.  Thank goodness I went with my gut feeling (I'm afraid of what would be the results if I had accepted what those results reflected) and 6 months later my mammogram (at a different mammography center) showed the 5 cm tumor, which when going back and reviewing my Oct reports from the other center, my new radiolgist saw that it showed the tumor was 1/2 the size 6 months prior.  It's totally o.k. to cry and be angry and the women and men on this board will help you through it.  I'd like to invite you over to the Starting Chemo July 2012 group.  It's a wonderful group and we'll all get through our treatment together.  It's a fantastic place to vent.  Trust me, they've all been there and can completely relate and there's no judgement.

    Take care.

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