April/May 2012 Chemo hang out
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Well.... I'm pretty sure now that my eyebrows are falling out.
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Well darn, IndigoMont11! I checked mine yesterday and they were fine and when I read your post I reached up and tugged lightly...out they came. I still have a 1/4 buzz cut, but even that was kind of prickly and uncomfortable last night. I am not excited to shave the rest. Hubby is funny - he wants me to keep it really short. He said he loves it so much, he wants me to not let it grow much longer when it does come back.
I had the best night's sleep in months! Fingers crossed for a good day. I think I am due for one.
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vaballmom-Glad you got some good sleep!!!! You may want to try a polyester satin pillowcase on your favorite bed pillow. The prickliness of the stubs may not feel so pokey on your head. I got a really cheap set at Ross-- not a great color but hairs didn't seem to catch so much. Good day today is coming your way!!!!!
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Good morning lovlies,
I hope you are all well. I found this link (I hope it works)
Please check it out. It is so beautiful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyQ5ZSMENF0&feature=related
Hugs,
Misty
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Hang in there vball! Good days will come. You are due!
Indigo, I was just looking at my eyebrows the other day thinking that mine look thinner. Im not pulling on them though to find out! With my eyes watering so much the eyelashes keep getting stuck together and crusty. Im trying to not pull on them either to get my eyes open.
You guys are funny looking for me. I was IN the bus!! It was pushing 90 and I am not a fan of the heat! My sister and her friends were on top.
My tastebuds have mostly come back. Just have a little bit of a metallic taste there but nothing like it was. Melrose, I totally know what you mean. I would start to eat lots of meals, only to push it away and not be able to taste it. It really really sucks and I got really tired of eating that same foods over and over.
Im off to AC #4.
Good luck to anyone having treatment today.
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Sandik - I'm so happy you are on #4!!! I hope you sail through this one!
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sandik - hope all goes well today. Regarding the eye tearing - maybe your doc would have something prescription level that would help? My doc said if I started crusting up to let him know...so there must be something prescription that could be given to ease that symptom for you since the GenTeal is not helping.
I looked for a post from kjiberty since last night - none that I see. Please report in girl when you can, and let's all send lots of positive energy that all is going ok for her!
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Sandik and all others receiving treatment this week: good luck to you all!
I took my temp this a.m. and it was 99.9. I wonder if my temp was so high yesterday because my house was so hot and I was covered in a blanket. I will keep checking it today, though. My MO's instructions are if fever is over 101, to call.
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Thanks for reporting in kjiberty!
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Nofear. I'm so sorry to hear you were hospitalized....I feel terrible. I hope your next treatment is better. I feel guilty that my first taxol treatment was not bad at all. I get tired and have some muscle aches and pains.... But over the counter pain meds work well. Other than that I really haven't had any issues.......please let us know how you're doing. I ope it was just a fluke.
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Hello all, well I have one more treatment of the AC, I am hoping that the taxol treatments aren't as bad. Seems like every treatment this far has been worse each time. Now I am very weak, and tired all the time. Not really throwing up, just seem to be queasy all the time. Is anyone doing their taxol treatments yet?, and if so how are the SE's? Hope everyone is hanging in there, just one day at a time is what I keep telling myself.
Kristy
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Kjiberty,
Glad to hear your temp is not high.
I'm sitting in chemo now. Saw the MO before I came in. I lost two more pounds. Down almost 10 since I started. She said most people gain, but since I couldn't taste pretty much anything except fruits and veggies, that's all I was eating. So she was OK with the weight loss.
I got a high 5 for being on my last AC. She told me that we will do genetic testing in the next couple weeks. The chemo girl said she never heard of anyone losing their nails on taxol, but she has seen the nail beds get dark. No one here ices, but she said I can if I want.
Anyone watch Good Morning America and see Robin's announcement?
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sandik- Glad you are in the big girl chair getting that last A/C!!! Icing is no big deal.... being doing it since I started chemo plus painted those nails with clear nail polish. I haven't had any discoloration on the nails plus it icing helps with the neuropathy. I don't know if neuropathy is an issue with Taxol or not. Glad to hear it's okay to ice--- jsut not sure that everyone knows to ice. Saw that quick spot on Robin Roberts this morning... don't know what to think but hope the best for her. Get some rest later today and minimal side effects for you, twin!!!
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kjliberty- Glad you checked in!!! Keep a close eye on the temperature though and keep those fluid intake up!!! I'd still call the MO just to be sure that everything is okay with the fever and rash. Ok--- why were you sitting under a blanket if your house is warm? If you had the chills, let the doctor know... sign of possible infection.
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The watery eyes comments reminded me that I was stuggling with that badly last round. I realized that I was making it worse because I was using a moisturizer with spf in it! I stay inside a lot so stopped using it and instant relief. Took me 3 rounds to figure that out.
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Hi..better today..wahoo..my crash..tiredness days seem to be 3rd..4th..and 5th out from tx...and some of the metalic taste is gone..hope it says that way..LOL..
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Hi ladies
I'm just a little bit ahead of you. Started my chemo on March 2012 and it is still continuing.
In case this helps, I had one Neulasta shot for a low white blood count after my first infusion of FEC (Flouroucil, Epirubicin, Cyclophosphamide) and it had no side-effects but didn't work for me either so I was switched to five shots of Neupogen given daily.
A few flu-like symptoms appeared and I felt the Dexametasone steroids were a little over the top so I had a chat with my onc and my steroids were reduced by half.
Voila - no side-effects - but please don't try this yourself without talking to your onc as the steroids are designed to reduce swelling and prevent an allergic reaction.
Best wishes and good luck
Alice
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Question on the Neulasta and/or Neupogen shots. My onc has never mentioned these. Prior to my first TCH my WBC was 10.7 (range 4.8-10.8)- 9 days later it was 6.7. I think I asked this before but is that all they look at (the WBC) before they start thinking about these injections? At what point do you/they start to get concerned?
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To vballmom: I'm so sorry to hear you're having such a tough time right now. Don't worry about the tears - nobody will judge you for that! It's part of the whole journey and really - you're lucky you can cry! I couldn't cry at all and wanted and needed to! Funny what emotional beings we are, isn't it? Have you tried slicing up some fresh ginger and putting it into a cup of hot water for the nausea? I found that helped a lot. Also - talk to your dr. It could be that your anti-nausea meds need tweaking. I've written a blog post on fatigue - hope it helps you: http://marnieclark.com/cancer-and-fatigue-6-helpful-remedies/ . Sending you lots of love and healing today.
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Well ladies, my reprieve from thrush ended last night when it came back. This is day 19 for me in my 21 day chemo cycle. So, I figured my whites must still be going down (which seems crazy since my nadir is days 7 - 10...I thought they were supposed to climb or stay stable after that). Called the doc, went in for blood work, yep, whites low. Neupogen today and tomorrow to build me up so I can be ready for tx #4 on Wednesday. We also retested my kidney function, and I will find out tomorrow if the first test was a fluke or not. If my numbers are still decreased a bit, I am not sure if I will risk #4...we'll see. So sick of the weighing the whole risk vs. benefit thing. Ughhh!
Otherwise, doing fine. Actually, my red count was UP! Higher than it has been in weeks! Still below normal, but much improved! This explains my improved energy level over the weekend, for sure. I'm amazed that my reds have rebounded. The body is amazing sometimes.
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mistym: What a beautiful YouTube video - thanks for sharing it! I sent it to my husband this morning via his facebook page. He needed to hear it too! Hugs!
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rgina - they look at your absolute neutrophil count (ANC). It is your WBC (converted to the thousands, so 6.7 is 6700) times your granulocyte percent. So say your granulocyte % was 25%...your ANC = 1675. So that % is very important, too. If the % is low, it can make what looks like a good white cell count actually be a bad ANC. I posted the ranges of ANC and what they mean earlier - don't have the scale handy. I do know Grade IV neutropenia is when you have serious risk of infection - and that is ANC < 500. My ANC was 1902 today - I am to do Neupogen b/c you need an ANC of about 2000 to do chemo safely (I'm scheduled for Wed). Onc wants to bump me up even higher b/c I drop so low with TCH - so I'm doing 2 injections before chemo Wed.
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Good question, rgina. I'll be looking for the responses to this one for myself as well. It seems different MO's approach these shots from different perspectives, even for women with similar pathologies and tx's, at least as far as I can tell, but I'm strictly a layman. I think in the end we have to trust our MO, so it's doubly important to select an MO whom we trust! And not be afraid to approach him or her with each and every question, ache or pain. I'm learning that from reading the posts!
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rgina- As for the Neulasta shot, my onco does not give those shots unless the situation warrants them which means until the WBC numbers or a high fever/infection indicate the need for the shot. All oncos handle this sitiation differently and probably is dependent upon the type regimen of chemo one is on and how often you receive the chemo. I know from my quick research on the chemocare website, the recovery period for my particular regimen of Cytoxan/Taxotere is 3 weeks( which is from infusion to next scheduled infusion.) Those receiving the dense dose of A/C have the same 3 recovery period but receive their chemo every 2 weeks which may explain why that they receive Neulasta/Neuprogon as a normal part of their treatment. In my situation, my onco informed me that I would receive the Neulasta shot after this recent #3 round because I had experienced a high spiking fever/infection 10 days after my #2 round was administered. My blood count for #3 round was really high before my #3 infusion. I'm thinking that had I not had that infection and gotten antibotics so quickly, that my WBC would have perhaps too low for the #3 infusion. FYI at the 9 day point since your treatment, you were probably in nadir which is the lowest point that your WBC would be. Just remember, side effects are cumulative so the WBC can be become lower each time you have a treatment. Hope this helps.
dancetrancer- So sorry that your unwelcomed mouth friend decided to pay you a visit. Hope you feel better and those WBC climb up in time for #4!!! HUGS!!!!
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OK, here's what I posted on May 28th (gotta love the search feature!):
So here's the scoop on the whites. It is not just your WBC.
The number you want to examine is your ANC (absolute neutrophil count). ANC = white blood cell count X % of granulocytes (they are also called neutrophils). There is a more complicated formula, but this one gets you close enough and is the one I use.
For example - say your white blood cell count is listed as 3.0 K/uL (scale is important - so look and see how yours is listed) and your neutrophil/granulyte % is listed as 25.2%. You convert the WBC to 3000, multiply that by .252 and get an ANC of 756. This would be Grade III neutropenia.Grades of Neutropenia
Grade 1 = 1500 to 2000 = slight risk of infection
Grade 2 = 1000 - 1500 = minimal risk of infection
Grade 3 = 500 - 1000 = moderate risk of infection
Grade 4 = < 500 = severe risk of infection
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Dancetrancer-- Thanks.... made of copy of that formula so I can have it handy!
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Got it I think - so if my WBC is 6.7 or 6700 and my gran % is 47.3 then my ANC is 3169. I actually made a note of this, this time so I would remember it! Thank you!
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Gemmie- I see that you are having your first infusion tomorrow so it's your first time in the big girl chair!!! I know you have probably gotten all of your things ready to go for tomorrow. Wishing you an easy time with your #1 infusion and minimal side effects!!!
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Y'all are very welcome! The tech's are getting used to me whipping out my calculator in the lab now, LOL! There have been several occasions that my WBC was above normal, and the tech was like "Oh, your whites are good!" And I'd get a copy of the full CBC, run my ANC and tell them, actually, the number that we are supposed to look at is NOT good. They'd run it to the doc and low and behold, out comes the Neupogen. Wouldn't you think they'd know about ANC? Guess they just run the report and look for the flags. The ANC is not listed on the report (at least not at my clinic). You have to do math.
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Thanks, Marnie. I've been drinking ginger tea, have ginger ale, and ginger snaps. They are ok but not solving the problem. More tears today, but I think it's frustration. I am having trouble concentrating and getting thoughts out.
Went for my 5th Neupogen shot today. They did my counts first - WBC = 3.0. Bummer. I was hoping for better. I was at 3.0 last week when I ended up in the hospital. They switched me from Neulasta. Nurse says I am not neutropenic, though, but to be careful. I will ask for my neutrophil number tomorrow when I go back. Hubby is flipping out. He is such a worrier.
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