April/May 2012 Chemo hang out

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  • lsharvey822
    lsharvey822 Member Posts: 257
    edited June 2012

    omg rgina!  the waking up with hair balls was the final straw for me too! 

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited June 2012
    rn4babies- Sorry you have had so much bone pain from the Neulasta/Neuprogen shots. I got my first Neulasta shot this past Wednesday , the day after I got round #3.   My WBC were high the day I got my chemo but got the shot to prevent the big drop since I had a high spikey fever after round #2.  I took the Claritin, the morning of my afternoon Neulasta shot and take it daily in the morning.  I'll keep taking it until next Wednesday.  So far, no bone pain.  I will tell you that I did have some bone pain after my second round of chemo, especially in the heel of my left foot.  I took some Advil or Tylenol which made the pain more manageable.  You may need to talk to your onco about getting some stronger pain meds to handle the pain. Hang in there.... hope you feel better soon!!!!
  • lsharvey822
    lsharvey822 Member Posts: 257
    edited June 2012

    rn4babies - my brother's friend has been fighting Leukemia for 10-15 years now and the first thing he told my brother to tell me was to take the Claritin.  Day before, day of and 7 days after.  I figured he's a pro at the whole chemo thing so I just listened to him.

  • kjiberty
    kjiberty Member Posts: 1,385
    edited June 2012

    JKBuffy and rgina: Congrats on your courage.  I am still broken out all over the place--don't know if its a reaction to the Neulasta injection from yesterday.  I am soooo tired, and so, so bored.  I hate lying around and doing nothing.  I have been reading, etc.  Sorry about the pity party

  • vickilind61
    vickilind61 Member Posts: 338
    edited June 2012

    pity parties are d'rigeur these days.  Sealed  I've been kind of having one all day; feeling, just off.  Had a headache, but that's gone, still just feeling crappy.  Can't really put my finger on what, well, the port thing.  It still feels weird.  And now, every once in a while, it feels like its pulsing, for lack of a better word.  I said to my sister, if it were just the cancer, that would be one thing, but it's not.  So much goes along with it: the port and whatever goes with that, the surgery and all with that, the chemo and the SE's from that, the TE's, etc.  This list could be SO long.  Just miserable today. 

    kjliberty, you are NOT alone; I think I'll have a glass of w(h)ine.

  • velutha
    velutha Member Posts: 102
    edited June 2012

    Hi all!

    Working: I really recommend trying to switch to neupogen at home instead of injections in the office. And getting lots of help at home.

    Yes, neupogen causes bone pain. But it doesn't seem to be as bad, and if gets bad there is always the possibility of skipping or delaying an injection, which neulasta doesn't allow. Sorry I don't know what happens if you take neulasta late.



    Alcohol: almost all chemo is processed in your liver. But if you drink a glass of wine, that's unlikely to be a problem unless you have other liver problems. My MO gave me the all clear 24 hrs after both a/c and taxol to do whatever I felt like doing. She said she was more worried about me being dehydrated vs liver toxicity.



    You younger ladies may want to look into some of the young survivors groups. They can be a lot of fun. I like stupid cancer, they're funny. And going to support groups and talking to guys with lymphoma about freezing sperm takes you out of BC land.



    When I got emotional about the mirror, two things helped. 1) going out to see friends, because they were able to make me believe I looked great, and 2) remembering that my looks were going downhill eventually anyway. I figure by age 50 my foobs will be better looking than the real ones would have been. But cry now, by all means. We've earned it.

  • vickilind61
    vickilind61 Member Posts: 338
    edited June 2012

    Velutha, you look so young, and very pretty, BTW.  My MO is having me get the Neulasta shot after my chemo; I think that will SOP for me.  I have read that the Claritin thing sometimes helps even with the Neulasta, so we will see.

  • rgina
    rgina Member Posts: 100
    edited June 2012

    lsharvey - I've got 10 cats (part of my 20+ critter brood) - 4 that alternate sleeping with me - the cat hair, I'm use too, but my own was definately not working for me.  I've got clean sheets on the bed (hairless) - and what's really amazing my super tender scalp no longer hurts.

  • sandik
    sandik Member Posts: 482
    edited June 2012

    Stacie,

    I had chemo on Friday of Memorial weekend. Could not go for my shot until Tuesday and Im fine. I forgot to takr my Clairitin too and I had no bone pain. I lucked out.

  • mistym
    mistym Member Posts: 58
    edited June 2012

    Good morning everyone,

    I hope your weekend is going well and that SE's are minimal.

    I have just had this overwhelming feeling of guilt come over me and man does it ever suck!  Has anyone else experienced this?  I am feeling guilty for getting sick and starting to feel I am a burden to people.  I am not feeling sorry for myself, just pissed off for making people worry about me.  I've only begun this journey and need to shake these feelings real quick.

    I'm sorry....not meaning to be a downer but right now this is the only place where I can say how I really feel because I am trying to make everyone in my life think that I am absolutely fine with everything.

    Hugs,

  • vickilind61
    vickilind61 Member Posts: 338
    edited June 2012

    mistym, I know EXACTLY how you feel.  I find myself apologizing to my DH or DD or even my sister (who is a BC survivor!) for the reasons you listed: sorry I'm sick, sorry we have so many appts to go to, sorry I'm feeling sorry for myself, etc.  My family stops me and reminds me that I am going through some serious sh17 (my DD's words) it's okay for me to feel that way but to stop apologizing. 

    I can't help it though.  Before this stupid BC, I wasn't sick; no flu, no strep, a MINOR cold twice a year; my big issue was migraines.  It bugs me that I've used over 200+ hours of EIB. 

    mistym, you are NOT alone in this; I am right beside you feeling guilty for all that goes along with this stupid BC!

  • eileenmarie
    eileenmarie Member Posts: 6
    edited June 2012

    Hi all, I hope it's a day full of no SE for everyone.

     Mistym ,hugs to you and I totally understand.  I find myself saying I'm sorry to my husband when he is doing the things around the house that I would normally do.  But as he has pointed out many many times...I have no need to be sorry, I didn't choose this and if the situation were reversed I'd be doing everything I could for him. 

    I really didn't mind getting my head shaved all that much, the warm weather is here and it feels pretty good.  After all the years of coloring I was shocked to see how gray I am.  Plus I laugh that I bear a striking resemblence to Curly from the 3 stooges. 

    I have my last AC treatment on Tuesday so I feel pretty good today.  Isn't it awful that just as you start to feel more like yourself it's time for another treatment.  Plus one of the last days to feel good and I have to entertain some out of town in-laws.   No lie... when telling my husband's sister that I am trying to keep a positive attitude she actually said..... "well Eileen, like I always say, we all have to die sometime".  What a tool, right?  If I wasn't worried about karma I'd slip some constipating meds in her iced tea.  lol

    Hope you all have a relaxing day.

  • vickilind61
    vickilind61 Member Posts: 338
    edited June 2012

    eileenmarie, you made me laugh out loud!  Too funny!

  • eileenmarie
    eileenmarie Member Posts: 6
    edited June 2012

    Vicki, Now THAT makes me happy.  Laughing is the best.

  • lisa2012
    lisa2012 Member Posts: 652
    edited June 2012

    Re work: lucky I had lots of sick leave. The first round I tried to work a bit (I'm a school principal) but I couldn't make it past 11:00. I am bombarded with kids and people and crises and good stuff but too much and 400 students with germs. I was disappointed, very, but I couldn't have folks wondering if I would be there day to day.



    Hair: I call it my GI Jane look.or my Buddhist nun look (how serene. ) I do wear a wig out, at home vary it. I had wild dark curly hair, the signature thing was important. Oh well, see how it comes back in a few months...

    I take Claritin for allergies. Neulasta (taken 2x) gives me a low fever the 2nd day and makes my legs ache the whole time. No acute pain, though I go upstairs very slowly.

    Path report/ER status: spent last might writing a list of my questions for onc. Trying not to be critical but factual. My sister says I shouldnt tell him I called the Oncotype lab and what they said, just share my original questions. She says don't corner him, he'll think you went around him. What do you think?

  • lisa2012
    lisa2012 Member Posts: 652
    edited June 2012

    Also: Vicki and misty, omg, the burden feeling, the asking for help all the time, the being down or pessimistic or cranky stuff, I hate it. Trying to go easier on myself, it's very tough.

    Eileen -good laugh !!!!

  • vickilind61
    vickilind61 Member Posts: 338
    edited June 2012

    Today I am going to hang with family in Denver; there will be much food and drink and great family time.  And, since I am not driving, adult beverages can be enjoyed. 

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited June 2012

    As always, and at times so difficult to do, please remember to be kind to yourselves as we each travel on our journeys.   Yes, it is our time to do what we need to do  and at the speed we need to move forward to healing.  I want to do so many things for myself but I know the reality is that I cannot.  I let those around me, my DH, DS and DD and friends do whatever they want to help me no matter how small or large the task is,  especially when I need the help and try to be obstinate accepting the help.  I recognize that it hasn't been easy to watch for them to witness and experience my metamorphosis but I thank God that they are here, supporting me through easy times and hard times, urging me forward to keep moving forward and wanting to accompany me through this.  This is all they can do since they cannot take my place or change bodies with me.  HUGS to everyone, especially those having some hard moments!!!!!

  • nofear2012
    nofear2012 Member Posts: 160
    edited June 2012

    Well I ended up in the ER Friday nite & admitted into the hosp. I had my 1st treatment of taxol wed & by Fri I felt do depleted & uncontrolable shakes. White cell count was up but no fever. Thought I might have sb infection but wasent sure do decided to treat me w antibiotics. Hope to be discharged Mon. So much for taxol being a little easier to handle.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2012

    Hi ladies,

    Claire in Az here again.  Look at all of you, putting one foot in front of the other, even if you don't want to.  Just a couple of suggestions--tramadol is a good pain reliever that won't dope you up as much as oxycodone, and won't stop you up as much either.  

    Emotions:  I remember at least one saturday after my AC tx of thursday where I had a crying jag that lasted for hours...lying on my bed in my bedroom crying my eyes out. Couldn't stop.  The sadness, as I think vballmom mentioned, must be acknowledged: my healthy body failed me; how could it do that to me?  I felt robbed of my innocence at age 53.  

    My husband died of cancer 16 years ago--we had been married four months. I know, it's my tragic story. I was his primary caregiver throughout his journey.  The point is, I remember feeling robbed and sad then, of course.  It's like driving a bad road over and over and driving into huge potholes each time:  it's a jarring drop that hurts again and again.  Eventually what I remember was that the potholes were still there, but I remembered where they were ahead of time and didn't have to drive into them each time. I could drive around them if I chose.  So this whole BC thing--fear, anger, sadness, disappointment--we're going to drive into those potholes, definitely.  I think though, that in time we will know where they are, and can avoid them if we choose. 

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited June 2012

    Claire-Thank you.

  • lisa2012
    lisa2012 Member Posts: 652
    edited June 2012

    Nofear, sorry about your funky SEs and ER visit. Hope they get you on track and better soon. Hugs!!



    Melrose, you are right on. I hate having my family/etc see me going through this. I hate laying a downer on everyone. They worry, I worry, there is nothing fun about it. But I have no control over it. Exposed.

    I know I am learning certain things about letting go and life but I wish I could learn it another way. and I hope I make it through.

  • luvBngGma
    luvBngGma Member Posts: 73
    edited June 2012

    Mistym: I have been fighting the same feelings--apologizing to my DH when he's doing something I normally do, apologizing for being sick, not liking my new bald look so much, yet. Hate that our first retired summer is being filled with Dr appts, surgeries,etc, when we were looking forward to other adventures😊Hating that my family feels so helpless, my 83 yr old Mom, especially. Wants to be here with me, but I tell her there is no need for her to be away from her comfort zone. We have done FACETIME, several times , and it makes her (&me) feel better to feel like we are visiting in person. I really hate that I can't play with the grand kids (4 & 5) like I used to, but they are being very good about not hugging too hard on my port side😉 and they are such a blessing, making my spirits soar , when the little girl pats my face & says I love you so much!!

    I know many of us face the same emotions, and I am so glad to hear other say the same things, makes me feel less alone in this battle.

    Thanks, Claire, for that bit of humor--made me laugh out loud!

    {{hugs}} to all, and minimal SE for the rest of the weekend.

  • vickilind61
    vickilind61 Member Posts: 338
    edited June 2012

    luvbnggma, this is our first summer being empty-nesters and we are dealing with this too.  Jealous that your grandkids are so close.  Mine are in TX; planning on going down in Oct (DH 25 yr homecoming annivesary) andwe will see them then. 

    I am going to rock the bald look.

  • mclark55
    mclark55 Member Posts: 168
    edited June 2012

    Hi everyone!  I noticed there is some question about whether it's okay to drink alcohol while going through chemotherapy.  While it appears to be true that it doesn't interfere with the chemotherapy drugs, that kind of misses the point.  I've got a page on diet and nutrition in my website (http://MarnieClark.com) and I hope nobody minds if I share the paragraph on alcohol here. 

    "Alcohol is made with carcinogens, it is metabolized into carcinogens by the body, it suppresses your immunity. If you are dealing with breast cancer, alcohol is known to increase estrogen levels and may interfere with the ability of the liver to remove estrogen from the bloodstream. Having said all of that, there is research that shows that a glass of red wine now and again is actually good for you, but if you are actively battling cancer it is recommended that you give alcohol a big miss."

    I don't want to be a spoil-sport!  But knowledge is power and I thought you should know the view that most natural therapists take with regard to alcohol and breast cancer.  I hope this helps you decide.  Sending lots of love and healing to you all today. xoxox

  • mclark55
    mclark55 Member Posts: 168
    edited June 2012

    To Vickilind61: I just know you will rock the bald look!  Great attitude!  I wrote a blog about that: http://marnieclark.com/how-to-look-gorgeous-while-going-through-chemotherapy/ (just for some ideas!)

    And re the grandchildren - you are lucky that they are in the same country!  My gorgeous little guy is in the Czech Republic!  I thank the technology gods for Skype! (but it just ain't the same as kissing their sweet little dimples, is it?)

    Hey - I see you're in Colorado Springs - I'm in Denver.  Let me know if I can help you in any way!

  • vballmom
    vballmom Member Posts: 426
    edited June 2012

    I guess I spoke too soon.  The tears are flowing today and I have apologized to hubby and DDs so many times today for being such a mess.  I am so tired of being nauseous, so tired of being tired, and can't even comprehend how I am going to make it through a whole year of infusions. I even cried during my neupogen shot today.  My family and friends are amazing. I just keep hoping to find the energy to rally, but I am struggling. 

     I'm so thankful for all of you lovely and inspiring ladies that make me feel so much less alone.

    Vicki, we will be empty nesters come September. This is SO not what I had planned!

  • nofear2012
    nofear2012 Member Posts: 160
    edited June 2012

    I am struugling w emotions like everyone else. I wondering how the hell am I going to make it 3 more times. The physical is one aspect but the emotional is such another. My husband/family has been so supportive, I feel so bad. My stomach is still a mess & do not want to eat anything. I am struggling wish this was over. Thank u everyone for the support.

  • rgina
    rgina Member Posts: 100
    edited June 2012

    Marnie - thanks for the articles.  My new avatar is my new GI Jane cut, don't know how long this will last, but spent a couple of hours today trying on different hats/earrings/jewelry and taking pictures which I posted on my facebook pages and had fun/laughs doing it, your article was right on.

  • Marcia1111
    Marcia1111 Member Posts: 368
    edited June 2012

    Wow!  I totally relate to the guilt.  I am so used to never being sick and I do keep apologizing for this.  I'm trying to continue to be strong.  I don't want my kids to see me like this.  It's great to have you all here to vent to.  Thanks for being here.

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