Protocel 23
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The following counter the effects of Paw Paw:
Burdock Root
Essiac tea and Flor-Essence (which is similar to Essiac with a couple of extra ingredients)
Ozone treatments ( oxygen treatments such as hyperbaric oxygen are beneficial to the functioning of Protocel)
Flax seed oil as used in the Budwig diet (also spelled flaxseed oil). It is starting to appear that flax seed oil may be compatible, but it remains on this list as a precaution
IP6 (in theory there may be a problem, but case histories are needed)
714-x
Hydrogen peroxide
PMB Techno
Creatine
Cellect
Ginseng
Glutamine
Taurine
Rhodiola Rhosea
D-Ribose
Magnesium In higher doses, magnesium is credited with increasing ATP production.
L-Carnitine
Resveratrol
Colloidal silver - the heavy metal quality of silver could cause a reaction with Protocel.
Pau d'arco with Germanium-132 (taking either separately with Protocel is OK)
Grapefruit seed extract (due to its high vitamin C content)
Whey protein should also be avoided because of the L-cysteine
Iodine
IGF
Enercel
MSM
Cesium Chloride
Poly-MVA because of the alpha-lipoic acid
Hormone-Blocking Drugs
Immunocal
MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement) chlorine dioxideSulfhydrazly antioxidants which includes:
L-cysteine
N-acetylsteine
Alpha-lipoic acid
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Kat, besides you measuring the palpable lumps, what other strategies do you have for monitoring the success of the Protecel? Are you going to get scanned in a few months? I've been following this thread with interest and glad to hear that you are doing well!
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Hey thanks Sweetbean...I'll probably be scheduled for a scan either the end of the this month or sometime in June. My Onc is anxious to scan me...or at least she was the last time I saw her 6 weeks ago. Hopefully, she'll be as excited as I am to see the regression of the tumors. She thinks I'm 'taking a break' from chemo for 6 weeks and my appt on the 24th will be 6 weeks.
I'm also just really taking an interest in what my body is telling me. When it tells me I'm exhausted, I go for a nap, when I feel a 'sensation' around my chest wall I start to pay attention to my breathing and start stretching to drain the lymphatic system. It just doesn't make any sense if these tumors are getting smaller on the surface who on earth would they be growing on the inside chest wall like wild fire? That just can't be. So I'm optimistic that it really is a draining sensation. I get heaviness in my arm pits and my groin area too as if things are moving along and out!
I Just keep praying and staying positive...it's all I can do right now anyway:)
xoxo
Kat -
Yes, I agree - I hope that they are all shrinking like crazy! Thanks for keeping us posted!
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Thanks Maud!
Those things look like all the things I have to avoid when I'm on Protocel so I guess it make sense that they're on the do not take list for Paw Paw too!
Thanks

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Last night, after my 1am dose, I just couldn't get back to sleep. My ears kept draining and draining....turn the right - drain drain drain...turn to the left - drain drain drain. So, this morning, I did a little more strenuous yoga, a little longer jumping on the trampoline and then I walked next door to the community center to do a 15 minute sauna.
Now, I know that saunas are contraindicated because of the risk for lymphedema. I had 19 nodes stripped out from my right axilla and even though I may be at a higher risk, I'm a firm believer in everything in moderation. So, that being said, I have confidence in my physical condition, my flexibility, my strength and my exercise program to the point where I feel I can effectively ward off lymphedema. (I hope anyway!)
I think that the risk of lymphedema is an important SE to consider if anyone embarks on Protocel. Because the whole mechanics of the treatment...breaking cells apart, sweeping them along in your lymph system to filter and remove the lysed material, you have to consider your lymph system and if it's strong enough to handle this. Ever since my BMX and Axillary node dissection 2 years ago, I started wearing Spanx camis in lieu of a bra. I felt like the Spanx were supportive enough for my reconstruction and the slight compression to my abdomen couldn't hurt either. The bonus is you feel much more tone and fit. Who knew that 2 years later it would be beneficial for my overall lymph traffic control?
As for the sauna...I feel fabulous right this minute. I've decided on doing this twice a week because I certainly don't want to over-do...but I also feel like I have some excess lysed material that needs to be forced out every now and then. Now, I'm going to sit for 10 minutes out in the natural sunlight to finish restoring. It's a beautiful day today!
Enjoy!
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Thank you for sharing your journey. I saw the book Outsmarting Your Cancer in the integrative oncologist office and I meant to jot the title down and forgot. Then I looked in on this thread and see it mentioned here. I look forward to reading the book and hope to hear more on your progress.
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It's a great book Liwo...There are so many viable alternative options out there and the book covers about 10 of them that can be tailored to you!
I'm jealous that you have an Integrative Oncologist! As soon as I get my next scan in June I'm going to find one. The Cancer Center I currently go to is the exact opposite of Integrative.
Can I ask what services you get from this office and what's covered by insurance?
Thanks!
Kat -
I remember posting on or around May 6th that Protocel is "cyclical." I'm trying to pinpoint reasons why I feel my cancer is waxing more than waning this week. The last two days (glorious beautiful days outside) I have felt depressed and despondent inside. I'm just having a hard time discerning if these chest wall sensations are a negative thing or not. I don't understand why I can't take the indication of healing at face value. The nodules that I can palpate in the sub and cutaneous tissues are doing so well....But (and this a big but) in the locations of the confirmed chest wall lesions I'm feeling a wave like tightness then stretching. Could it be the Yoga? I'm not short of breath...quite the contrary. Yoga teaches you expanding and breathing deep. Noticing your breath. And, I'm happy to report, I am not short of breath, nor do I have a cough. So why then would cancer in one part of my body be thriving when in another part it's almost completely gone, it just makes no sense. Is it just because I can't see or feel it that I have no faith in the progress? (Shame on me)
I opened a new bottle of Protocel yesterday, and as God is my witness, I swear it's much more effervescent than the previous bottle was. I just don't know what to make of this. I shake it as vigorously as I can no matter how much fluid is left in the bottle, but I do feel like this bottle is fresher somehow. I have saved the last bottle with its remnants of probably 10cc's in a dark part of the cupboard. If I ever spill or run out of Protocel, I guess I'll have an emergency stash...even if it isn't "fresh". Don't give your cancer a bowl of soup! ~Ed Sopcak
Left Mid Back Nodule: 0.6cm x 0.5cm (No change from last week) This is the only nodule that aches for a few minutes after pushing on it to take the measurements, and that's the only time I feel anything from it.
Palpated measurement of R medial reconstructed breast:
Still very round. Still firm - No change.Palpated measurement of R upper buttock Node: This one is doing amazing things.
It went from being lateral to now back to center and it's deeper. I really have to press hard to find it. Pea size and very firm.Since I've had this ‘stunt in attitude' week, I've upped my dosage to ½ tsp every 5 hours (with that one dose 4 hours apart 6am-10am) I'm also doing very well on the Paw Paw and I'm taking that 3 times a day with food (opposite the Protocel) I'm sweating and sleeping all the time, with an intermittent crying jag. No more dizziness though...Praise God. I'm thrilled I still have enough energy for Yoga 3 times a week, and I'm going to introduce Zumba this Tuesday. I don't want to go crazy on the working out...but a little cardio added to the mix can't hurt.
I see my Oncologist on Thursday and I'm nervous. I hope she just orders a scan already so I can see what's going on...Is the path less traveled is the right path?
If you're the praying type, I hope you'll pray this is so.
Kat -
Hi Kat, we all live with doubt no matter what path we choose and it's ok
Sleeping, sweating, sure sounds like something is working
don't be too hard on yourself. Raw anxiety is part of the process no matter what. Listening to your body is the best you can do, but also to trust it is one major and crucial step. You are not harming yourself Kat, you are doing right by yourself. I just read a whole lot about PawPaw, am doing graviola as preventative, the acetogenins are extremely powerful compounds, not doubt about it. Am not as familiar with Protocel but will read up on it. I just quit Tamox and am looking at alt.Kat, what are you taking to mop up the dead cells, the waste and support your liver ? Extremely important aspect of treatment
I'm right here holding your hand little sister and praying with you, hugs XXXX
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HI Kat,
I have been reading your thread with great interest. I am just now starting to really "learn" about everthing going on with me. A little late to the party but better late than never. I will be honest and admit that I am the kind of person that isn't great at follow through. This is a time in my life where I Must follow through. Hope its okay, but I'd like to keep up with you and follow your journey. You are great and i wish you all the best.
Blessings
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Thanks Ladies...
The good news Maud, is that the dead cancer cells don't really end up in the liver...a few might (and the spleen) but certainly nothing like when you're on chemo and your liver has to go into overdrive of hyper-processing dead cells. Is it any wonder that there are so many 'mets to the liver' recurrences after chemo? The liver just can't handle it.
That's why the Yoga and trampoline are so important to me while I'm on Protocel. The dead cells come out via the lymph system...my nose, my eyes and my sweat glands. Get the lymph system moving and sweep up the debris.
I don't know much about graviola except that it's on the "may take it while on Protocel list." If my scans are good, I'll probably stay on the Protocel/Paw-Paw regimen...It doesn't hurt to do research though.

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I agree, mets to the liver is no coincidence. The liver having to process all that waste PLUS the extremely toxic chemo
I really need to get on that trampoline...my body is sooooo lazy, doesn't want to move. Graviola, paw paw, almost same except for a few molecules. Paw Paw much stronger, I believe. Posted on the Alternative Medicine thread about it but abandoning that thread, too much contention -
Great day at the Ocologists office today! She agrees that the main palpable nodule on my back is indeed shrinking and although she didn't say the other two are shrinking as well (*they are*) she did say that whatever I'm doing to keep doing it! A picture of health! It continues to be difficult to tell if the nodes on my chest wall are responding, but given the ones we can feel, it only stands to reason that they are doing as well. My energy level is good, I feel good...my weight is unchanged at 138. I'm just giddy with excitement today! My labs for the most part were all within normal range (little high on the Potassium side - concerned with the high concentration of K+ in Protocel and PawPaw) but my tumor markers are only 5.8 today. (0-37 is normal for this lab.) My history with CA-27-29 markers have always been on the low side and they've never been higher than 65 at my peak of recurrence...so I"m taking this as a great sign! I'm keeping my mediport for one more month until my next scan and then, I'm getting de-ported! Whoohoo!
Speaking of my next scan, she doesn't want to do a PET on me until June 25th which is great...gives me another month to continue on my alternative around-the-clock Protocel/Protocol of killing cancer! Praise God I have been directed down the path less traveled and thank you Jesus for walking that path with me. It's all good!Have a great Memorial Day Weekend!
Kat -
That's fantastic news Kat! It would be great if you could find an integrative/alternative cancer treatment doctor who believes in (or uses) the Protocel/Paw Paw protocol. Also, if I were you I'd take close up before and after photos too. They may help your visually challenged onc see the changes better.
This is one of my favourite threads. Thanks for sharing your journey.Z
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Yay! So happy for you!!!
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Hey thanks Z!
I would love it if the current cancer center I went to turned integrative, but they never will. (they still have candy dishes set out for goodness sakes) But even so, yesterday she was just so darn likeable...or maybe that's because she's not resisting me.
I know full well that she attributes my progress (or at the very least stability) on having my ovaries removed, zero sugar in my diet and my exercise regimen...but I just hope that she will look at the whole big picture. She made the comment, I don't know much about this Protocel. And I'm thinking to myself....you've known I've been on it for 6 weeks now maybe you should go google it or something? Hopefully she did that last night! 
I guess maybe I should look at the whole big picture too...I have an oncologist who is agreeing to monitor me, access to the Naturopaths at Vitamin Depot, sunshine on my deck, a fitness center across the street and all of you good people who are encouraging and cheering me on. I am counting my blessings.
YaY! I think we're winning!
Kat -
Kat, that is great news! You have just had a better run of this than some stage IV people do on chemo. Hoping it keeps working for you. Kudos to your oncologist for respecting the most basic rule of science: observation. She sees you are doing well, and that is what matters. As they say, good doctors treat the cancer, great doctors treat the patient.
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Kat,
What is your diet like? What do you eat on a typical day?
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Thanks for asking about my diet...My typical day is like this:
7ish: Bran flakes with 5 (five) blackberries and 2% milk.
1 cup of black coffee and then no more caffeine after that.9ish: 1/4 cup of mixed nuts (no Brazil nuts)
Noon: My favorite lunch is baby spinach (wilted) and feta cheese on Triscuits. I could eat that all day. My other favorite is chicken salad (that I make up ahead of time) with chopped up celery/onion on a 100% whole wheat bagel and usually a couple types of raw vegetables on a small plate. Snap peas or broccoli or carrots. and an individually wrapped thing of string cheese. Sometimes I use leftover whole wheat noodles from a dinner (see below:) and make a antipesto salad with black olives, chopped up turkey pepperoni and feta cheese again

Snack around 2pm: Blue corn tortila chips with homemade salsa. (yum)
Dinner: Usually some type of animal protein. Chicken breasts usually...sauteed in olive oil or grilled. I make Chicken Parmesean (without the breading) with whole wheat spagetti noodles. Or I'll sautee the chicken breasts and then shread the chicken and make awesome tacos with whole wheat tortialls and black beans. We do like Laura's lean beef and I can get one steak and slice it real thin and make a nice stir fry with red, yellow and green peppers. Or again, with Laura's Lean beef cheesburgers on 100% whole wheat buns and grill up some veggies (while the grill is hot!)
The dinners have varied somewhat since it's gotten warmer. I use my oven a lot to roast things when it's cooler out. If we go out to dinner, I usually stick with grilled chicken salads or pizza with a thin thin crust. (I love pizza)
I don't eat much past 6:00pm and I do like to have a water beer (Miller 64) while I'm cooking (and maybe one when I eat)
And that's it! (I wish there was more fruit, but it is what it is) Lots of water throughout the day. I love to cook and especially I love to cook for the extended family and get a lot of ideas from Bon Appetite magazine. I find it especially relaxing and I feel like I'm making things my husband and daughter (home from college) can eat that are healthy and not just specialized for me.
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Nice, Kat! This sounds really balanced and doable - good for you! So happy that you are having good results and looking forward to having the scans confirm them!
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I remember when I first received my scan report at the end of December and was very surprised to learn that I had a nodule in my right upper buttock and that it was as big as it was. To think that cancer had been raging on...on my butt no less and I had no idea until I went searching for it by following the anatomical map the scan laid out for me.
Well, last week, I was doing some Yoga and we had to interlace our fingers across our chest and I found another small firm something on my left upper chest. You know that visceral reaction (or maybe you don't) you get when you find a "new" something?
Before panicking, I referenced the scan report from 3/1/12 that was a comparison from the scan 12/20/2011 and it states: "A new lesion has developed in the left anterior chest wall with SUV max of 2 on image 110 series 3 just superficial to the medial aspect of the pectoralis major muscle intercostal."
So, my fingers did the walking and now I can palpate this one. This is exactly the location where this is. Intercostal
(between the ribs) It is very small...smaller than the other 3 I can feel and it feels like the head of pin, but flatter. Remember that commercial with Diane Carroll who puts the big pillow over the pin and and says 'feel anything?' It's kind of like that but without the pillow.I have difficulty understanding the SUV unit of measurement...I know it measures the metabolic activity of radioactive uptake, but I wish it clearer to me in regards to physical size. So, as the only reference I can make is if this were a '2' and the back nodule had an SUV of 8.8 (on March 1) and the right breast prosthesis also had an SUV of 8 it is all relative. If I had a scan today I would think the changes would reflect the decrease in sizes to at least a 4 and 6 respectively.
As a further comparison, in regards to the buttock nodule, "The large metastatic lesion in the subcutaneous fat of the right buttock has an SUV max of 13.2 improved from 17.1 The only thing that makes sense (if cancer ever makes sense) is that this ‘new' development is not a new development at all, I just didn't realize it was there.
In any event, I now have 4 palpable nodules that I can evaluate and 6 that I can't...so, with that being said: Today's measurements are:
Left Mid Back Nodule: 0.5cm x 0.4cm down 0.1cm from last week! (this is also the 'shortest' it's been since the start)
Palpated measurement of R medial reconstructed breast: Still very round. Still firm - No change from last week.
Palpated measurement of R upper buttock Node: Less firm and more disc shaped!
Left anterior upper chest intercostal: Feels as big and firm as a pin head.
Nothing else new to report except that I golfed 18 holes yesterday and shot a 98. (YaY) and I still look and feel better than I would if I were taking a different form of caustic treatment. My new favorite saying is: (borrowed from the Princess Bride) I just don't want to be "mostly-dead" while I'm alive.
Hope everyone is having a great holiday weekend!
Kat -
Chickadee
I never felt I was being referred to as one of the herd...perhaps it's a problem that you yourself are grappling with.
I think it's important to *all* respect each other - no matter what forum ' thread ' we post on - here on the BCO forum.
Good Luck to you, Kat!
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Hi Purple...Thanks and welcome to the Protocel Protocol.

I hope you'll continue to read and post on this thread...not just the first page or so...we've come a long way baby! I wish that I had been introduced to this when I first started this journey two and half years ago.
Thanks for your good thoughts...I do appreciate them!

Kat -
Well, I have had a great energetic week! I golfed twice and shot in the low 100's. I've babysat my grandbaby a few times and had a couple of shopping/dinner trips with my girlfriends. I've done Yoga 4 times in the past week, cleaned my house from top to bottom and then yesterday managed to attend to a 5 year old's birthday party last night. I am feeling very well and healthy. (and yes, maybe just a little pooped today:)
I also saw my family doctor on Thursday for my standard "every 6 months to get my Ativan filled" appointment. This man, was completely and utterly taken by surprise that I was battling Breast Cancer 2.0 since December. I was really hoping my Cancer Center was communicating with him at the very least on a paper level...how naïve. Why on earth would they ask every visit "who is your family physician?" if they have no intention whatsoever of sending him a fax of my latest lab or scan report? I guess in my gut I knew this so I came to this appointment prepared with photocopies of recent scans and labs results and of course, some print outs of Protocel (that he willingly took for his records
)He said "You don't look like you're stage IV and full of cancer." I said "I don't feel like I'm stage IV and full of cancer." I asked him if he would order scans and the like for me in the event my Onc dumps me. He said "absolutely" Anyway, to say the least, I'm very encouraged to have a medical doctor who is on my side.
And then I had this epiphany about small town doctors. It was a small town doctor told me about the Protocel just 3 months ago and now my own small town doctor is receptive to it. When you think about it...what really do they have to lose? They can't prescribe it, but they can research it and tell their families and friends about. Seeing the healing without the harm...I think they're in a better position to stand up to the Oncologists and their concession stand pharmacies and declare "The emperor has no clothes on!"
I've increased my Protocel dosage to ½ tsp every 5 hours for 2 weeks now and this has become my standard dose. This increase actually happened by accident while I was preparing a dose. When you get to the half-way point of the bottle it's difficult to get the medicine dropper to reach the liquid so you have to start pouring out a dose. For whatever reason, I just started grabbing the ½ size measuring spoon instead of the ¼ size and never looked back. There is a website out there of cancer survivor from Protocel that discourages this ‘power dosing' but I don't entirely agree. I won't go as far as to say that the body builds up a tolerance to Protocel however, I will say that it appears that I am. So, I'm listening to my body and dosing accordingly. I like to see signs of lysing especially while the tumors are still palpable.
I'm also tolerating the Paw Paw well as a supplement to my Protocel protocol. I'm able to take 2 caps 3 times a day with meals. (Opposite of Protocel on an empty stomach) When I first started it, that was always the plan to take 6 caps daily but I couldn't handle the vertigo that came with it. Now though, with a gradual increase, I've been fine.
Left Mid Back Nodule: 0.4cm x 0.4cm down 0.1cm from last week! (considering this one started at 1.5 x 0.5 I would say this is marked improvement wouldn't you all?)
Palpated measurement of R medial reconstructed breast: This one is the smallest it has been since the get go. Still round and firm but what started out a marble to now a garden pea.
Palpated measurement of R upper buttock Node: This one is hiding...it has migrated deeper in the buttock and I had a very hard time finding it this morning. I'm taking this as a positive sign.
Left anterior upper chest intercostal: Unchanged. Still small and flat as big as a pin head.
As always, thanks for reading this and Praise God that it's all good!
Have a great Sunday and a wonderful week ahead!
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Kat, you continue to amaze and inspire me! Great results, and I love to read your progress stories.
My small town doctr did much the same. As a physician she said she couldn't recommend Protocel,but she did the research and said it couldn't hurt me so I if wanted totake it she'd support me.
God bless you!
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Thanks Heidi!
Your support and encouragement mean so much to me!
I'm so happy you're doing well on Protocel too and that your small town doctor supports you as well.Continued healing to you!

xoxo
Kat -
Sometimes I wonder if this is the right platform for my Protocel journey. I guess I could assume that the 100+ readers to each post should be an indication to me that it is but I continue to feel like I'm on an alternative island.
But since there are 100+ readers to this thread, it makes me wonder why no one is clammering to start Protocel? This is so remarkable that I am in a constant state of gratitude for finding it. I really want to shout it out from the roof tops and my wish is that more and more people will hear me. I'm contemplating starting an official blog in the next month and hopefully take awareness a step further. The significance of this cure (and I don't use the word lightly) should not be overlooked.
Today I am reporting that the nodule to my left mid back has all but disappeared. Well, not disappeared exactly but it's now rendered immeasurable. If it was 0.4x0.4 last week, it has to be 0.2x0.2 today. I can hardly even find it and my husband can't get to it with the little compass thing without pricking me with the sharp points.
And it's not just about the shrinking of all my palpable tumors. Since I've been on Protocel 23 I have no pain and I'm not bombarded with 27 different medications daily. I take exactly three things. Protocel, Paw Paw and Ativan. That's it. I have not caught a cold or been sick at all...and my scars from my port insertion and oophorectomy are so faded they are almost nonexistent. Isn't that amazing? The antioxidant properties of Protocel are keeping me in a bubble...healthy and energized.
The only thing that is causing me any grief at all is my port. With all of my Yoga and golf, it seems to have shifted and a membrane has grown over it so that they can't use it for blood draws anymore. I want it out in the worst way but timing is everything. I want to continue golfing the summer but I also want it out for my daughter's wedding in October. I'll probably schedule something after I see the Onc the first week of July.
For the doubters out there, I am not out of touch with reality...quite the contrary. Protocel is providing real results and convincing me and my family that cancer is not going to win.
It's all good!

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KatRN, I have been reading your posts for a while now and I am finding your results amazing. My situation is nowhere near as serious as yours, being at stage 1b/2a so this whole thing may not apply to me, but I will continue to read your thread and cheer you on: Go Kat!
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Thanks Vicki! Welcome to my island
I wish I wish I would have found out about Protocel when I was first diagnosed at stage IIb. I know in my heart that this would never have accelerated to stage IV had I started on it immediately!
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