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  • Adey
    Adey Member Posts: 3,610
    edited June 2012

    POINTS CARD!!!

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited June 2012
  • jittersmom
    jittersmom Member Posts: 165
    edited June 2012

    kestrelgurl....I was dx'd on Oct 2011 also and everywhere I looked was pink. They even have these huge pink garbage cans! everywhere it was like neon flashing lights reminding me i had cancer!

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited June 2012

    My dx was in September and my mx was in October.  The pink just began to inundate when my children were really beginning to get stressed about my upcoming surgery (they were 7 and 10 at that point).  I took them to a store for a little light shopping and the three of us left on tenterhooks...  What torture for them.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2012

    Points card?  Wish I'd gotten one.  Between 4 surgeries with a PS I'd probably have Botox for life!  Laughing

    I'm 2 years out and still have friends giving me pink BC things (sorry, refuse to call them gifts).  I probably should have said something along time ago but I know they mean well.  Cannot stand pink!  I wouldn't even take the free toothbrush at the dentist's office because all they had was pink.  And I've pretty much exorcised all pink clothing from my wardrobe.  Someone on another thread said the slogan should be- "The only thing pink about breast cancer are the scars it left behind".  Now that I would wear! 

  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited June 2012

    So sorry to hear that, CLC. We don't go much for the mass media infiltration in our house (I don't even watch TV), so I really wasn't affected much by Pinktober last year, thankfully. Though my husband, in a show of solidarity and wry bitter humor, got me this shirt. I just wore it recently, only in the house. My kids are older, 17 and 20, but still, not quite the most appropriate thing.

    But then again, neither is BC. So there ya go. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2012
    Esther- LOVE IT!!! Laughing
  • 1openheart
    1openheart Member Posts: 765
    edited June 2012

    Kate..I have not seen that quote before.  So true!

  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited June 2012

    esther, may have to buy me one of those shirts for special days when all feels...shi**

  • Ginger48
    Ginger48 Member Posts: 1,978
    edited June 2012

    Esther- love that shirt! Definitely for home wearing. My kids gave me the shirt that said

    " yes they're fake, my real ones tried to kill me". I wore it to Relay for Life but the rest of the time it is for at home. I feel like it is an invitation to stare at my chest.

  • Allagashmaggie
    Allagashmaggie Member Posts: 92
    edited June 2012

    Good Morning Kate33 and others,

    Thank you for the website to go to.  I will do that.  I apologize if I seem to be obsessed with the "why" and it is really does not come out of "why me" but more just a strong curiosity.  I do know it serves no purpose to obsess over it.  Basically, all they tell you is to exercise and be sure not to gain weight as that is a risk factor for bc.  Funny thing, more women I know that have gone through this are thin rather than overweight. 

     With regard to the "pink" thing, I agree that for those who have not been diagnosed with bc, it is easy to wear pink and do the "rah, rah" thing.  I bought a pink hooded sweatshirt soon after I was diagnosed but then waxed weary of all of that real quick.  I do know that these walks, relays for life, etc., do help to generate money but some times it seem pointless.  However, I do feel that some of that money does go towards grants to help women get reimbursed for things that are not covered by insurance.  For instance, my oncotype test was not covered by my insurance, but Genome Lab where it was done said I qualified for a grant to cover it.  I assume that money comes from all these fund raisers and walkathons.  A few weeks ago, I had to register a vehicle and had the option of getting a "pink" plate.  I opted not to.  I know I should support the cause but I did not want a constant reminder on my vehicle.  It seems like everywhere I look I do see pink plates so this disease really affects so many. 

     One question.  For those of you who had chemo, how long did it take for your hair to grow to a decent length?  I am 4 months out now from chemo and my hair is growing surely but slowly.  I still wear a bandana in public most of the time.  Maybe that prevents hair growth.  Just curious. 

    Today is another great day - enjoy it all.

    Allagashmaggie

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited June 2012

    orangemat...love the t-shirt.  We don't do cable and have only limited exposure to commercials and advertisements here in this home too...which is why the store was SO overwhelming.  None of us were ready for it.  But, we survived, together, in the face of such crass commercial belittling of our experience.  Needless to say, it did nothing to lessen any cynicism they both seem to be developing.

  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited June 2012

    Kate, thanks for the suggestion to join Army of Women. I already follow them on FB, so I just signed up this morning to help out with their case studies.

  • jittersmom
    jittersmom Member Posts: 165
    edited June 2012
    Allagashmag.... my last chemo was march 20th and i have fuzz thas about it ,my eyelashes are still few and far between..I wear a wig sometimes or a bandanna, I was thinking the same thing that maybe the were hindering growth. My son came home last night on leave from the navy and his hair looks long to me lol....I just keep rubbing my head and hoping for more hair! Are you on herceptin? I am and I am not sure if that makes a difference?
  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited June 2012

    I.  Love.  That.  Shirt.  And - irreverent as I am - I would wear it in public.

    Soon after my diagnosis, I went to a local breast cancer support centre.  I didn't really want to go, but EVERYONE said that it was a good idea, that they would have resources I may not know about, etc.  I walked in the door, was greeted by a perky receptionist who, promptly, handed me a pink- and pink-beribboned teddy bear.  Now, I ask you, what possible use would a pink teddy bear have for a 50-year-old woman, newly diagnosed with breast cancer?  Last time I looked, I was a fully-grown adult.

    Since then, I have been given pink ribbon pins, pink breast cancer socks, a "think pink" t-shirt, a pink ribbon ballpoint pen, and more pink ribbon pins.  My Facebook friends keep sending me pink ribbon avatars and links to pink ribbon websites.  I am heartily sick-to-death of PINK!!  And don't even get me started on all the pink stuff that Avon markets!  I think people have given me - at least - one sample of each item.  Ugh!

    But I love that t-shirt.  Maybe, when I wear it in public, people will begin to see that PINK IS A COLOUR FOR LITTLE GIRLS!!!!  Not to mention teddybears.  #sigh

    allagashmaggie ... ah!  You're discovering that the easy part is losing your hair; the hard part is waiting for it to grow back!!!  My last round was on December 22nd last year; however, my "real" hair didn't start to make an appearance until nearly May.  Before that I had a lot of baby-down and fine, fuzzy stuff, but - in May - real, honest-to-goodness hair started to make an appearance.  Today, my hair looks like my avatar.  Thank gawd, really, short pixies are a trend right now.

  • Denise-G
    Denise-G Member Posts: 1,777
    edited June 2012

    I am with you all on all the pink.  We have been through a war.  Pink is way to light weight to describe what we have been through.  I have filled a tote with things that so many well-meaning friends have given me in various shades of pink which I will donate somewhere after an appropriate time. 

  • JoanQuilts
    JoanQuilts Member Posts: 633
    edited June 2012

    I have had breast cancer twice, 19 years apart.  Up until my second diagnosis, I was all rah rah, pink, for the cure, etc., etc. 

    Now?  I can't even look at any of the Komen, Avon or other appeals (and this from someone who did her second Avon 2-day last October and LOVED it).  Maybe it's still all too fresh for me (I am 3 weeks PFC), but I feel as though all that pink let me down.  This wasn't SUPPOSED to happen again.  Pink didn't stop me from getting bc again.  It didn't find a way to prevent it. And it hasn't succeeded in saving the friends I have lost to this disease.

    That said, I do realize that much of the money DOES go towards promising projects.  I am simply spent from having dealt with bc nearly my whole adult life. I am now supporting an interesting project from the National Breast Cancer Coalition whose goal is to end breast cancer by 2020.  

    But in terms of getting back to feeling like my pre-bc self, I think it will be easier this time.  After all, the "me" I became after my first diagnosis is more like the "me" following my second diagnosis than I was prior to any diagnosis.  Does that make sense?

    Joan

  • 1openheart
    1openheart Member Posts: 765
    edited June 2012

    Yes, Joan, it makes perfect sense to me.  I've only had one dx. and I'm only a year out, but I am a very much different person than I was before bc.  I see the world differently now.  I handle what the world throws at me differently too.

    Orangemat...I met a woman last week who is dealing with a reoccurance and mets.  She was wearing a white rubber bracelet with the same message as your t-shirt.  The words were in pink!   I love it!!!   It's strange how many of us who were all rah rah pink before our dx are now just so tired of it all.  Like I said in an earlier post, I AM grateful for the awareness and the money that these campaigns generate, but it is hard to move on when pink is always in your face.  

  • crystalphm
    crystalphm Member Posts: 1,138
    edited June 2012

    It does make sense that we get over the second diagnosis quicker, I am exactly the same way. Mine was only 18 months apart, but having only 1 breast during that time, I was always looking at my remaining breast as "the enemy". I didn't want to think that way, it just happened. it is gone now, my second breast.

    I don't really feel too much of anything about the pink stuff. I was not given too much of it as gifts, and if I was, I thought they were just trying to find a  way to make me happy, not to upset me. Actually my only gripe with the pink stuff is so much of it has no relevance, no donations go anywhere so there is no point to it all.

    I don't have any cancer t-shirts, but now that I think about it, "any" t-shirt with a saying is an invitation to read the chest.

  • Allagashmaggie
    Allagashmaggie Member Posts: 92
    edited June 2012

    It is so helpful and useful to read all these comments.  Try as I might to go back to "business as usual" it just isn't the same.  I read in Dr. Susan Love's book that we can try to go back to our lives before bc but the fact is, our lives have changed.  I can understand Joan's comments about recurrence and that all this "awareness" stuff let her down.  The only thing I can say is that 19 years ago, they did not know as much about treatment as they do today so you are in better shape perhaps.  Having said that, they sure do know how to treat it more individually now with all the information they glean from the pathology reports, but bc is still on the rise.  I don't like to be cynical but it just seems there is much more money in treatment than cures.  To know that each time I sat in that chemo chair costs at least $13,000 is outrageous.  So all this fundraising stuff is good for those who haven't been diagnosed with bc.  It is a feel good sort of activity and does serve some purpose, but no cures.  I have given up on the Suan G. Komen foundation - seems like just another greedy corporation to me and I have some personal fundamental issues with that organization. 

    Jittersmom, thanks for the hair info.  I may be seeing some of my own hair now.  I had long hair for nearly 40 years and it was down just above my behind when I started losing it.  I have said that I like the free feeling of short hair but the fact is, I really do miss my pony tail.  No I am not on herceptin as my tumor was negative for Her.  I am now taking arimidex.  Even though I had a complete hysterectomy 10 years ago, I guess there are many ways of getting estrogen through food, etc.  This seems to be the common form of bc.     

    Orangemat, I had to go back to see what all the talk was about the "shirt."  I definitely will be ordering one of those!  I know who to wear it around and when to wear it and it would make a good night shirt as that is my feeling when I go to bed.  It so much more fits my personality than all that other pink stuff does. 

    Tomorrow is another day,

    Thumbs up to all,

    Allagashmaggie

  • Scottiee1
    Scottiee1 Member Posts: 2,329
    edited June 2012

    Hi everybody: I've been reading all your posts and can relate to so many of them. Regarding friends....one of my BEST friends when I told her about my BC and that I had more or less quit smoking she said, and I quote, OMG I've just lost my SMOKING BUDDY. That was six months ago. She has probably called me 3-4 times during this period, not necessarily to ask how I am but for favors she needed. It has left me feeling

    Sad and angry.

  • JoanQuilts
    JoanQuilts Member Posts: 633
    edited June 2012

    "I can understand Joan's comments about recurrence and that all this "awareness" stuff let her down.  The only thing I can say is that 19 years ago, they did not know as much about treatment as they do today so you are in better shape perhaps.  Having said that, they sure do know how to treat it more individually now with all the information they glean from the pathology reports, but bc is still on the rise."

    Allagashmaggie - they DO know more about treatment today than they did 19 years ago - treatment is more individualized as you say.  Still, 19 years ago about 40,000 women died of breast cancer in the US every year and the number hasn't changed that much today.  To me, that is the bottom line.  There are some breast cancers, even early stage breast cancers, that treatment just can't touch no matter how early or how aggressively they are treated.  This is the sad part of the state of breast cancer today. When we share our experiences on this board, this is the common theme - that even though many of our cancers were caught at an early stage, we are aware of the unhappy truth that some of them will progress and metastasize. 

    I am no longer interested in raising money for awareness, but rather for prevention and, for those bcs that can't be prevented, a cure.  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2012

    Scottiee1- I think the most unexpected fallout of BC are the relationships you lose along the way.  Some we throw under the bus ourselves because we realize life is too short to put up with toxic people.  Some though, like your BFF and mine, just seem to go MIA when the going gets tough.  It's hard to take at a time when you're already worn out and feeling vulnerable.  I confronted my BFF (friends for 30+ years) about my feelings of being abandoned when I needed her the most and that was the last I ever heard from her!  I realize now she truly wasn't my BF but it still hurts to think about it.  

  • Denise-G
    Denise-G Member Posts: 1,777
    edited June 2012

    I so agree with Scottiee1 and Kate33 about relationships and BC.  I had absolutely amazing friends who gave me amazing support.  But a few shocked me and abandoned me.  Now that they hear I have finished with Chemo, they are starting to call me again.  I can't even return the phone calls.  If I tell them I am angry because they abandon me, they come up with great excuses.   Honestly, I don't want them as a priority in my life.  Their true colors were shown. 

    I realize people have difficulty knowing what to say or do for cancer patients.  The number one search on my Blog is

    What to Say to a Cancer Patient as I have written extensively about it!  I get that they don't know what to say.  But come on, a greeting card can do all the talking for you.  Hundreds of people sent me cards - strangers.

    I, too, had friends of 30 plus years abandon me.  What do you say to that?  Not sure, trying to sort it all out.

  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited June 2012

    You know, it's interesting... I suspect I was always one of those people who didn't know what to say to cancer patients. Not that I ran across too many during the years, and none of my close friends (thank goodness) fell into that category, but still, I know deep down I would be at a loss as to how to react to them. So when I was diagnosed myself, I think I'm realizing that I didn't know how to react TO MYSELF. Could that be a side effect of all this, a form of PTSD, where I'm estranged from my own self?? Interesting food for thought.... thank you all for this continuing discussion...

  • Allagashmaggie
    Allagashmaggie Member Posts: 92
    edited June 2012

    Good Morning,

    Joan I know what you are saying about prognosis even for early stage bc.  My grade (3), sticks in my head constantly.  When I hear people tell me I am lucky it was caught early I keep thinking, yea but it is Grade 3, which is why I went with chemo.  Originally, the biopsy showed Grade 1 or 2 and they told me I would need radiation only but when the path report came back after surgery, all that changed.  My oncotype test score was 24 so that was the deciding factor.  It's a crap shoot for sure. 

    When I was first diagnosed a friend of mine who has been through this told me "you will find out who your friends are" and she was so right.  I have 6 sisters and one of them told me, oh this isn't a death sentence anymore and you will be fine, blah, blah, blah.  I think, in a way, she was disturbed that she now has 2 first degree relatives with bc (our mom had it 26 years ago - she is still alive at 83) making her more at risk for the disease.  I have a friend who I know is fair weathered and she did not let me down.  She has not gotten in touch once since this occurred.  Another friend has really stepped up and been good support, who I thought would not be.  I think a lot of our friends/family probably are scared to a certain degree that they could be next so they distance themselves from us like it could be catching or something.  Plus, you are all right, they just don't know what to say.  Ironically, I have had more male friends who have been better support than female friends.   I know for myself, prior to my diagnosis, when I would hear of someone being diagnosed with cancer, it made me feel like I could be next.   I do hope that I will be a good friend if, god forbid, someone really close to me gets this diagnosis. 

    It is just so true that somebody who is not going through this simply cannot fully understand.  I do have many things to be thankful for since this all began but I am not one of those who says this was a blessing in disquise.  I already knew how precious life is and did not need to be taught that lesson.  But perhaps I have learned a thing or two because of bc.  

    Allagashmaggie

  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited June 2012
    Allagashmaggie, all that we experience in life is a lesson, and hopefully we can learn from those lessons and emerge better and happier people from them. Otherwise, what's the point of it all? Smile
  • jittersmom
    jittersmom Member Posts: 165
    edited June 2012

    orangemat: I agree we have to get some positive out of all this, and I hope I can go on to help other "sisters" with thier journeys, because now I know fist hand what helps one get through and what does not

  • LaurenM730
    LaurenM730 Member Posts: 366
    edited June 2012

    Hi everyone. I'm so happy I found you. I'm not even done with my recovery, and everyone else has moved on. I'm laying here in bed after my exchange surgery a few days ago, and everyone is like "the worst is over". It's like they're saying "we're so over talking about this". Obviously the recovery from a BMX is much worse than the exchange,but mentally I'm still dealing with this. For heaven's sake, I just had my boobs chopped off, full of hard plastic rocks, them swapped them out for implants. And I'm still coming to terms with the whole BC dx. I never in a million years thought it would be me....



    I guess I'm not ready to move on when everyone else is...

  • crystalphm
    crystalphm Member Posts: 1,138
    edited June 2012

    Other people in our lives are ready to move on quickly because cancer didn't happen to them. I really don't talk about cancer anymore, so I think this is why I am still so active here, because I NEED to talk about what happened to me.

    I just woke up from some delightful dreams, and instead of being happy, I am annoyed because I had breasts in my dreams, so what happened there can never be my reality...and small things like this "bother" me, but there is no one to talk to about it face to face.

    Oh I have learned so much from cancer, I myself bought several boxes of notecards and I am trying very hard to keep notes going to people I may just hear about, having a rough time. If i can't make a phone call, I send a note.

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