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  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited June 2012

    Caryn:  If that was the case with the thread, then you are so correct.  I personally didn't come across it, and probably wouldn't have read it if I did.  I'm into alternative therapies, but not the ones that involve ingesting strange herbs and/or foods.  My ideas for my tx came from good research, following mostly diet and supplementation.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2012

    many if not all "studies"  are paid for by people, companies with interests.  & therefore tainted.  this is true of so many pharmaceudical chemicals, & it takes many years for the deaths they cause to be noted & the companies punished with no more than fines that are part of "the cost of business"  meanwhile they get millions from people who are being harmed.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited June 2012

    Kaara,

    The thread is still there and titled When is an alternative therapy quackery? A couple of posters, including myself, thought that if you took out the piglet brains and added pineapple juice it would make a tasty tropical cocktail. My younger dd was so repelled by the idea of canned piglet brain that she googled it to see if such a thing existed. She found some similar canned, umm delicacies, but not piglet. Caryn

  • himalaya
    himalaya Member Posts: 149
    edited June 2012

    Feels good to be a vegetarian ....

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2012

    yes, that receipe pretty much took the cake for grossness.  perhaps since the ingredients arn't availiable it's a joke,

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2012

    guess I said our supermarket re-opened at last.  got broccoli sprouts & juiced them this morning.  not very efficient, tomorrow think I'll wrap them in a lettuce leaf

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2012

    re;  a week recovery from surgery:  dr. oz I think recently says with 3ndays of bedrest you lose 20 percent of your strength.  thus a week would be 50 percent.  & how long to recover optimally?  he didn't say.

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited June 2012

    Just to keep the facts straight, when the original post was made, a link was not provided for something she's selling. Yes, she had personal involvement in the product but wasn't linking to it. She did not provide the link until she was asked. If the original post was still there, we'd know that, but the fact that she didn't provide a link for the sale of this product in her original post can be verifed four posts down.

    ETA: a link to the product was actually provided first, by another poster five posts down.

    http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/121/topic/788364?page=1#post_3042965

    ETA again: Threads seem to take on a life of their own when facts are misconstrued. Sales pitch and link....I admit, not very credible (for the most part). No sales pitch or link, don't see the harm and we should be allowed the courtesy to read and make up our own minds. Would still prefer they all stay, links or not.

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited June 2012

    And abigail, I don't do Dr. Oz, but surgeons have often told me about the three day thing. That's why they want you up walking around the third day. Though you recover quickly on the outside, it can take up to six months to recover on the "inside" after surgery and get back your optimum strength and health.

    Edit: grammar

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2012

    eek

    & I think the banned ? poster said that she worked for those people but got no perks for the sale of the substance or for posting the information

  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited June 2012

    I think you maybe meant BY the 3rd day? Most surgies have you up on either the same day or the following. At least that has been my experience.

    My therapist (after my wrist fracture) said that after 48 hours you muscles begin to lose mass.

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited June 2012

    Yes, sorry, I did mean that.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited June 2012

    If you've had surgery or been hospitalized in the last 20 years or so, you know that they have you up and walking as soon as possible and encourage you to walk the hall, sit in a chair between periods of rest. I was home three days after my bmx and immediately started daily walks . Bed rest isn't what it used to be!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2012

    I was up and moving about the same day as my BMX. Here they keep you in the hospital for 5 days, but I was walking from day 1.

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited June 2012

    There is currently a clinical trial on DIM. I believe it is on clinicaltrials.gov

    or do a google search. Sorry I lost the link.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2012

    I hve no idea of most of these contractions

    walking in a hospital corridor could be dangerous to your health, all those lethal microbes, I sure wouldn't want to do it

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited June 2012

    Abigail,

    It is true that that germs exist in hospitals and a certain number of patients contract infections as a result but the reality is that the overwhelming majority do not. Doctors, nurses and support staff, not to mention visitors do it all the time.I don't want to argue the point as I understand where you're coming from, but walking the halls in a hospital is not a high risk activity. Caryn

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2012

    I've not seen gary null's video so I don't know if in death by medicine the figure is larger or not.  I do think that drs & nurses are probably more or less immune, unlike abigail, who hasn't darkened their doors for many a long year

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2012

    Abigail, did you opt out of surgery for your cancer?

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited June 2012
    Purple, I found two DIM trials that are recruiting, but it needs to be just after diagnosis for the first one:

    Diindolylmethane Efficacy Study

    Diindolylmethane in Treating Patients With Breast Cancer
    This study is currently recruiting participants.
    Verified May 2011 by University of Arizona

    This phase II/III trial studies how well diindolylmethane (DIM) works and compares it to placebo in treating patients with breast cancer. DIM may slow the growth of tumor cells and be an effective treatment for breast cancer.


    Official Title: Evaluation of Diindolylmethane Supplementation to Modulate Tamoxifen Efficacy in Breast Cancer The Diindolylmethane Efficacy Study


    Oral Microencapsulated Diindolylmethane in Treating Patients With Stage II-III Triple Negative, Androgen Receptor Positive Breast Cancer Who Have Undergone Chemotherapy and Surgery

    This study is currently recruiting participants.
    Verified June 2012 by Barbara Ann Karmanos Cancer Institute Detroit, Michigan

    This study is being done to find out whether a nutritional supplement, called BioResponse-DIM (BR-DIM [oral microencapsulated diindolylmethane]), improves the survival for women who have residual cancer cells following surgery after chemotherapy for breast cancer. BR-DIM is an active ingredient in cruciferous vegetables (broccoli, brussels sprouts and cauliflower). Consumption of these vegetables has been associated with a decreased risk in several cancers. Researchers also hope to find out whether different biomarkers (also called "markers") in the blood predict the chance of breast cancer returning. BR-DIM is thought to be effective in treating stage II-III breast cancer that is triple negative, AR positive (+), and where there is residual cancer cells in the breast after chemotherapy.

    Official Title: A Pilot Study of BR-DIM in Women With Stage II-III, Triple Negative, and Androgen Receptor Positive, Invasive Breast Cancer, Who Have Residual Disease Following Surgical Resection After Neoadjuvant Chemotherapy

    U.S. National Library of Medicine - ClinicalTrials.gov

    I've been looking at Androgen receptor information recently as it seems many of us had AR+ tumours, so it's good to know about the second trial.
  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2012

    gary mentioned yesterday I think that there are alternative physicians who won't take patients who have had chemotherapy because their immune systems are so compromised.  I waited 120 days lately to do the castor oil pack, & sure enough discomfort began quite soon, but has stopped right after I juiced the organic broccoli sprouts.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited June 2012
  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2012

    gary null, nutritionst dr & broadcaster, poet, sculptor & video maker

    I've been thinking about you some:  what ia or was your livlihood?  & your main relatives.  any health workers there?

    & here's another good herbal, didn't have tomatillos or I think goosberries so I got anoyed with it, but it is good & I want to put it non current:  john lust - the herb book, the most complete catalogue of nature's "miracle plants" ever published.  falling apart paper back,  ist ed 1974, re-printed the same year, bantam pb 1974 5th printing

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited June 2012

    Abigail,

    People are not dying in droves by walking the halls of hospitals be they hospital workers,patients or visitors. Anyone who has surgery should not be scared off and should walk as much as they can to regain strength and promote healing, coupled with rest as needed. Caryn

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2012

    true, I don't even know if gary mentions that possibility,  he's also an inventor & a marathon runner.  how does he do all that plus broadcasting 10 or so hours a week? he doesn't sleep much or eat.  one meal a day before 4 pm.  a juice breakfast:  1/3 good water, 48 oz a day including that, fortified with his phytonutrient & protein powders.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited June 2012

    Ah, I could never give up the pleasures of sleep and fabulous foods. I'll leave the ascetic life to Mr. Null! Caryn

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2012

    I feel the same way as you.  he got zapped as a child with that barbaric custom of letting children see their dead relatives.  he asked is mother what's missing & she said breath.  so he went around holding his breath Until his mother noticed & said what are you doing, gary michael?

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited June 2012

    Gary Null sounds like my son who is constantly fasting to improve his health and spiritual well being.  Honestly, he can go for a month with nothing but juice and water and not miss a beat!  One day I expect to get a call that he has keeled over from malnutrition, but so far, he's fine.  I have read Null's books on Natural Healing and subscribe to many of his ideas.  He was the first person who started me down the holistic path to wellness.

  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited June 2012

    I've read it is better for the body to eat many small meals throughout the day.  That's what I do. For example; oatmeal for breakfast, a banana 2 hours later, some veggies another few hours later, soup and/or salad for lunch, then more veggies in mid-afternoon and then dinner; late snack is a bowl of grapenuts with fruit.

    PS I'm a vegetarian

  • candygurl
    candygurl Member Posts: 130
    edited June 2012

    Juice fasting is the foundation of most alternative cancer treatment protocols.  Fasting allows the body a break from normal activity and enables it to focus on repairing and detoxifying cells and organs. There are different ways to detoxify the body. (i.e. raw foods only, mono fruit fast, juice fast, water fast and dry fast.) Some are obviously more intense and effective than others.  According to what I've read, certain people should not do them, and extended fasts--7 day or more-should only be done under the supervision of a professional.  

    Abigail, I thought Gary was your friend or significant other. It took me a while to figure out that all this time you were talking about Gary Null. I like the way this dude thinks. He makes sense. I could see why you'd listen to his radio show regularly.

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