April/May 2012 Chemo hang out

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  • RoulaG
    RoulaG Member Posts: 239
    edited June 2012

    AshleyB, my answer is yes. The past two years were very stressful. Mid 2010 my FIL got very sick and died within 9 days, just out of the blue, the man was as healthy as an ox. His biggest problem...smoking. But he did not die of cancer - his whole body just shut down. November of 2010 my husband lots his job. Was out of work for almost 5 very stressful months, he is the only one who works in the house. Summer of 2011, both my kids had surgeries. Ugh! Stressful to say the least.



    Funny my BS told me the number one thing I can do is remove all stress from my life. Yeah right! How do you do that with this diagnosis? Honestly!

  • lisa2012
    lisa2012 Member Posts: 652
    edited June 2012

    Ugh, having a hard day.z(after a pretty good day yesterday.) Day 8. Stomach got funny. Sleep (even with Ambien)4.5 hours. Those of you that can count on sleep are fortunate. Mine got sketchy after menopause but is usually manageable. Chemo has made it very hard. Ativan? I take it when I start crashing emotionally.Occasionally to sleep. Not every day, and only a 5 mg, but it has helped. My doc is not worried about me because I am a counter and tracker.And I need it.

     Indigo, how about days where I'm grumpy AND melt into tears in front of DH before breakfast, and chase to the bathroom and wonder why my face is so flushed and my legs hurt, but glad that I have no rashes...) I know we are all doing this, but I am jealous of those who can maintain. I still sometimes wonder-am I trying hard enough? Am I letting myself slide?  Stupid, I know. "Everyone's different."

    How do you handle another serious health issue with a family member when you are operating on one cylinder? Do you have family around to help? Best thoughts to your DH.

    Husker- that desire to go back before it all started. I was looking at photos from our New year's weekend away. Had just had MRI but no results. Now I look at those smiling photos in Santa Barbara and can't help but think- you already had it! Your life as you were doing it right then was about to change big time.

  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited June 2012

    RoulaG  - my gosh, that's more than enough stress for anybody!  I used to constantly be stressed out because DH worked so many contract jobs and was constantly getting laid off and looking for work.  I am sorry about your FIL; wow.  And sure hope your kids are doing okay by now.

    So to your BS - "Remove all stress from your life" - seriously???  Maybe if you went and lived like a hermit on a mountaintop (personally, *that* would stress me out too!).  No way to ever do that.  The only thing you can do, and there is no magic  fix as we all know, is decide on a day to day (sometimes minute to minute) basis how you are going to handle stress.  If you have a rotten day and you end up stressed out, that is no judgment of your character.  But I look at it as other lifestyle things - so tomorrow is another day, and you try again, etc., etc. I'm sure you know all of this stuff already so - if you really need an LOL fix, there are so many witty people here who I think can oblige - or listen if you just need to rant.  It's safer for me than ranting in front of my family, for sure.

    And like Melrose says - keep those boots on sistahs!

  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited June 2012
    Oh, and BTW - DH is okay, yes!  No badness with his retina - just a shift in fluid last night.  He is pretending to be freaked out about hearing that he'll eventually have to have cataract surgery, but overall, we are both quite relieved, and he knows he's not doing as badly as he was afraid.  Smile
  • DorisMarie
    DorisMarie Member Posts: 129
    edited June 2012

    these boots are made for walking..and that is what I'll do..this is the day those boots are gonna walk all over you..

    just a little tweeking of song lyrics..

  • RoulaG
    RoulaG Member Posts: 239
    edited June 2012

    IndigoMont11 - yes both kids are fine now, thankfully. I try to keep the stress level down. Things that use to bother me, I have kicked to the curb, for instance my house is almost 100 years old, and it seems everyday something is going wrong, I use to get very angry, now I just laugh! Hopefully we will be able to move out of the money pit next year when I am done with treatment.



    I am Greek, by nature we are a very pessimistic and stressful bunch! I am even fighting with my genetic makeup to stay stress free! Lol!

  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited June 2012

    RoulaG - I hear ya - my house is half that old but falling apart, too - and I have to get it ready somehow for my mom and niece to visit in July.  But it'll happen.  If I have to get someone in to help us clean over DH's protests, it will happen! 

    Are "oula" names traditionally Greek?  Thinking about Toula/Fortoula from My Big Fat Greek Wedding. Smile

  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited June 2012
    Doris - I looooved that song!!  Of course in those days it was the white go-go boots - not our kickbutt sparkly purple boots!  But whatever works! 
  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited June 2012

    Lisa2012 - ummm.  So this is our dysfunction and I am making no recommendations - but how I cope with being brave in front of DH is - I usually just do it, even if it means hiding my real feelings sometimes, and then like I said, I have other outlets.  I have spent a really long time not being very honest about my feelings at all with him because he didn't show me that he could handle a crisis, which isn't good for either of us, but I just couldn't deal with the conflict.  Now that I'm dealing with this dx and tx, I've had to learn to trust him and vice versa.  He isn't a big fan of current Western treatment modalities, outside of surgery, and has found the whole idea of chemo horrifying.  I just can't go there because I felt all along that I would have been irresponsible to turn it down, given my diagnosis, even though this is definitely no picnic and not the way I would have planned to spend this year.  So while I get where he's coming from, I've felt like the best thing I can do for *both* of us to fight this with all the weapons I have - alternative as well as chemo and rads - and just do it.  It's hardest when he really needs emotional support and I just don't feel like I can do it - but it is a work in progress.  Today felt pretty good.  

    I also have made a lot of decisions as to what's really important and what isn't.  I still get mad when nobody does anything because I didn't feel up to doing it or didn't stand there and say, "So you unloaded the dishwasher - how about putting the dirty dishes into it, instead of in the sink?"  Like I said, a work in progress.   But I am loved - and surrounded by people who value humor and laughter as much as I do - and that keeps us together too!

  • vjm
    vjm Member Posts: 79
    edited June 2012
    Yes Ashley B, I have been told by my naturopath, Ayervedic Healer and Astrologer, Acupuncturist, Counsellor and doctor that my right side (yin,female, nurturer, giver) is completely depleted. Ihave had infected r side lymph nodes, cysts, root canals and now breast cancer. Peacemaker, nurturer, nurse, health care for 28 years, mother, wife, volunteer, activist, counsellor - all right-sided. Learning now to receive (left side, reciever, male, yang) healing, wellness, gifts, letting go, letting others take care, not being in the middle of father-son, father-daughter, friends, politics, etc etc. Women can only get away with it for so long until their bodies start crying out for nourishment!!! vjm
  • vjm
    vjm Member Posts: 79
    edited June 2012
    Thanks Dance for the inspiration - I have been so tired since tx #3 and getting lazier by the day! Today I was motivated by your exercise, laundry, and walk and was determined to get up and get going. One more to go...! vjm
  • chapter4
    chapter4 Member Posts: 155
    edited June 2012

    Just back form first taxol.....no real issues....no bad reaction...just a little queeziness which I didn't expect, but it may Be nerves.

    I no longer need steroids (they give some thri I'VE but that's it) and no nulesta shot!



    There is light at the end of the tunnel....they told me I may not be ale to sleep well tonight due to steroids but no big deal...I never sleep well anymore anyway.



    I can soooo relate to what you are all saying about how people see us...and I too often look at pictures BC and wish I could go back....



    Sending positive thoughts to you all :)

  • RoulaG
    RoulaG Member Posts: 239
    edited June 2012

    IndingoMont11 - yes Roula is short for Zaferoula. Very Greek, I also have cousins named Soula, Voula, and Toula. Holiday get togethers are sure fun!

  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited June 2012
    RoulaG - cool, I love learning stuff like that.  Thanks for explaining!
  • kjiberty
    kjiberty Member Posts: 1,385
    edited June 2012

    Roula:  My dad was greek. I love greek food. My mom is Lebanese so I grew up on some good food.  Actually, had tabbouli and hummus for lunch.  Yum.  I eat it about 3-4 times a week and put tumeric in my hummus.

    Ashley:  I had a very stressful life pre-cancer.  I truly believe it's nature's way of saying "slow down".  I am in sales, and of course, they are always raising the "stakes" as far as quotas, etc.  Plus, I am a top producer in the state, so my sales goals (their term:  expectations) have always been higher than the rest of the 40 other people doing the same thing I do.  I had learned to say no to a lot of people (age helps).  Plus, my mother-in-law who lived in Tx died two days after my surgery in March and all hell has broken loose with my crazy in-laws as they all want their money YESTERDAY and my DH is the executor.  We have to kick my alcholic, good-for-nothing brother in law out of her house as well as his parasitic son, and of course, it's my husband's duty, even though there are two siblings in Houston.  Thank God I was able to see her in mid-January (came home two days later from TX, had the mammogram, then immediate diagnosis).

    Indigo:  Glad to hear the news about your husband's eye.  The good news is everyone I talk to (remember, I sell Medicare insurance), says cataract surgery is one of the best things they ever did and wish they would have done it sooner.  I keep a lot of my emotions from my DH as he's got a full plate with his crazy family.   I am fortunate to have a wonderful support system with my friends.  

    Lisa:  I hope you are on the mend soon! 

    To those of us gal who will be in the "big girl chair" tomorrow, good luck and I wil be thinking of you as I sit there with the IV dripping in my veins. 

  • RoulaG
    RoulaG Member Posts: 239
    edited June 2012

    Good luck Kjiberty, I am going for #3 tomorrow! Yay! Half way done... After tomorrow that is.

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited June 2012
    kjliberty- Wishing you an easy time in the big girl chair tomorrow.  Mine went pretty well yesterday and I got my first Neulasta shot this afternoon.  Decided to get it in my stomach since I still have a little fat there instead of my arm.  The nurse said most get it in their arms and later complain about how much it hurts.  No pain in that tummy fat!!!! lol.  Hoping for minimal side effects for you and everyone else having chemo this week.
  • JKBuffy
    JKBuffy Member Posts: 18
    edited June 2012

    Melrosemelrose--last time I did the neulasta in my tummy it really hurt when the medicine went in...my DH and I figured it was because we pushed the meds too fast...? Any tips? The pharmacist today suggested we let the shot warm up just a bit (sit out at room temperature for 30-45 minutes)...

  • kjiberty
    kjiberty Member Posts: 1,385
    edited June 2012

    Melrosemelrose:  I am hoping you have minimal SE with both your TX and neulasta.  To keep this positive (probably jinxing myself), I got my first Neulasta shot the day after my last tx three weeks ago, took claritan like everyone suggested (asked the MO, and she looked at me like I was weird, and said it couldn't hurt to try).  Anyway, I had no SE from the Neulasta (given in the stomach).  My only SE last round was extreme fatigue and these stupid hives, which come and go.  Mouth looked good (MU Gard--an RX I am fighting for them to get for me-my sister gave me a sample bottle).  Try to get some sleep tonight!  I hope my SE's are as minimal as the second round.  

  • kjiberty
    kjiberty Member Posts: 1,385
    edited June 2012

    Roula:  I will be thinking of you.  Good for you 50%!!!!  We have to keep thinking above the line for our sanity, right???

    PS--Where's Western Springs?  Is that a Chicago suburb?  I am originally from the Detroit area, so I am not familiar with all the burbs. 

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited June 2012
    JKBuffy- When I went to get the shot today, the nurse had me hold the shot in my hand to warm it up before she gave it to me.    Maybe that is the trick for a less painful injection.   The shot really didn't hurt going in and doesn't hurt now.  I don't have much tummy fat but I guess i had enough for the shot.... lol
  • Fierro6
    Fierro6 Member Posts: 224
    edited June 2012

    I fixed my chemo info tonight, after calling the MOs office and asking 47 questions.  I had plans to start weeks ago but had a JP drain that wouldn't go away.  Now, I get my first treatment next Tuesday.  I kept seeing that many on here were gettng A/C and then starting with Taxol (not sure if that's spelled right) after that.  I had the same DX as these folks, but thought the meds were much different.

    I was wrong.  (Why am I NOT surprised?)  I have A/C every 2 weeks for 8 weeks, followed by Taxol weekly for 12 weeks.  Most folks here are every 3 weeks, from what I can tell.  Is the difference because she says I'm getting "dose dense?"  I'm freaking a bit, but every step I complete is behind me, and I can move on.  I keep saying, "I know I'm going to lose my hair, so I wish I'd just lose it already."  LOL That sounds insane, but at least it wouldn't be "the unknown." 

  • JKBuffy
    JKBuffy Member Posts: 18
    edited June 2012

    thanks melrosemelrose--that is helpful. My DH and I both wish a nurse were doing it...neither one of us are crazy about the home injection...but insurance says... ;)

    I had my second treatment (AC) today, so will try the warming up strategy tomorrow night when we do the injection. 

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited June 2012
    JKBuffy- Good luck with the next home injection!!!!  I was sitting in a chair with my little tummy fat hanging over my blue jeans so i didn't feel much of anything when I got injected.  It is maybe the one time I didn't mind having a little muffin top with my low waisted jeans!!!!! Cool
  • dancetrancer
    dancetrancer Member Posts: 4,039
    edited June 2012

    lisa2012 - oh boy can I relate to looking back at pictures.  Last June we went to Alaska - cruise and land tour - fantastic trip.  I was diagnosed in July. I look back at those pics and see my own face and can't help but think "you poor thing.  You had no idea what was coming."  I long for that sense of innocence regarding life - having fun, with no thoughts about cancer.  Life will never be the same.  In many ways it will be better b/c I have learned I'm one strong, tough gal and have a whole new appreciation for all that I have.  However, I could really have done without this life lesson.  LOL  Tongue out

    Indigo - so glad to hear things went well with DH at the doc!  

    chapter4 - so glad your first Taxol went well!  

    roula - cracking up about the names and holiday get-togethers!  

    Loving the song and the kick butt purple sparkly boots and the BIG chair...y'all we have some great imagery on this thread!!! 

    vjm - awesome - hope you had a good day!  I will fess up that after my Herceptin only today I was wiped out (not sure if it was the H or the benadryl or a combo)...came home and napped much of the afternoon!  I'm just listening to my body - felt great yesterday, not so much today.  I can't believe it, but I'm still running a low-grade fever off and on, despite it being my 3rd week.  My body really does not handle chemo well! 

    kjiberty and roula - good luck tomorrow!

    melrose - I prefer tummy over arm - MUCH less painful.   jkbuffy - definitely let the shot warm up - makes a HUGE difference.  Plus, push the medicine in slowly.  

    fierro - yes, I believe every 2 weeks is "dose dense".  I think the AC is given that way, vs TCH which is given every 3 weeks.  I know you are anxious about your first tx - will be happy for you to get started and be past the "unknown" feeling. I think the anticipation is worse than anything, and you've had plenty of time to anticipate.  Time to get started and put this behind you! 

  • kjiberty
    kjiberty Member Posts: 1,385
    edited June 2012

    Fierro:  I can't help you.  I am on T/C.  I will be thinking of you next Tuesday. 

  • dancetrancer
    dancetrancer Member Posts: 4,039
    edited June 2012
    jkbuffy - I have also found that if you quickly put the needle in, while breathing out, it hurts so very little that way.  Then, you slowly inject the medicine (which has been warmed up).  I learned the hard way about trying to slowly put the needle in...OUCHO.  That is better if done fast, then actually injecting the med is less painful if done slow.  So warm it up, insert needle kinda fast with a breath out, then inject slow.  Hope this helps...it takes a while to get the hang of self-injections. 
  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited June 2012
    Fierro6- From what I can tell, most of the gals getting A/C are receiving every 2 weeks which is dense dose and later followed by Taxol.  I'm on a different regimen Taxotere/Cytoxan which is given every 3 weeks.  You may want to read up a little more about your chemo regimen by going to the main section of BCO.  You can also read up a little more on the chemocare website that Scott Hamilton, the ice skater and cancer survivor started.  I know you will be ready next week for your chemo.  Meanwhile, ask your questions here and I'm sure that the A/C gais will answer you!!!! HUGS!!!!
  • JKBuffy
    JKBuffy Member Posts: 18
    edited June 2012

    thanks Dance Trainer--quick with the needle; slow with the warmed up meds...got it. I love the breathing tip, I will try that too!

    btw--is anyone doing acupuncture with chemo? I have been doing it and am trying to figure out the optimum timing in relation to treatment. It really helped me get my energy back last time, but I did after I had already mostly recovered,  I am trying it earlier in the cycle this time....hoping it will speed up the recovery.

  • lsharvey822
    lsharvey822 Member Posts: 257
    edited June 2012

    AshelyB - yes.  stressful enough that my blood pressure was being monitored regularly.  Needless to say it's off the charts now!

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